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Re: Proposal IRC meeting DPT

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On July 1, 2024 6:08:31 PM UTC, Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> wrote:
>On 29.06.24 20:29, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 1:36:41 PM EDT Soren Stoutner wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 8:58:09 AM MST Scott Kitterman wrote:
>>>> I would say no.  Distutils is going to be with us for quite some time,
>>>> even
>>>> though it's no longer part of the standard distribution.
>>>> 
>>>> Scott K
>>> 
>>> Can you please elaborate on this some more?  As a maintainer of a couple of
>>> packages that use distutils in some fashion I would appreciate understanding
>>> the detail of what is happening with distutils in Debian.
>> 
>> I can't say for sure.  I am assuming we will keep it in Debian in the short
>> term independent of the Python interpreter packages, since removing it would
>> break so many other packages.
>
>short time meaning, that we will remove it once we are stopping to have 3.11 as a supported version, which is usually as the final step of a python transition.  Please note, that python3-distutils has not been available for 3.12 at any time.
>
>> According to codesearch.d.n over 600 packages reference disutils in their
>> code.  That doesn't mean that they all use it, but it's a lot of packages.
>
>this analysis is not good enough. it probably includes all stuff that can be used with the distutils included in setuptools.
>
>> I think it's smart to work with upstreams to migrate away from it ASAP, since
>> it isn't going to stick around forever, but I don't know the timeline.
>> 
>> Of course, if no one volunteers to do the work to seperate it out of python3-
>> stdlib-extensions, then it might come up pretty soon.  Is anyone planning on
>> working on this (I confess I thought someone already had).
>
>it will be removed once we stop having 3.11 as a supported Python version.

Can python3-setuptools Provide: python3-distutils?

That would reduce the number of packages that have to be touched?

Scott K

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