Path: csiph.com!news.samoylyk.net!gothmog.csi.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Scott Kitterman Newsgroups: linux.debian.maint.python Subject: Re: Proposal IRC meeting DPT Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 20:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: References: X-Mailbox-Line: From debian-python-request@lists.debian.org Mon Jul 1 18:19:25 2024 Old-Return-Path: X-Amavis-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.4 tagged_above=-10000 required=5.3 tests=[BAYES_00=-2, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FOURLA=0.1, LDO_WHITELIST=-5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Policyd-Weight: using cached result; rate: -5.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/22029 List-ID: List-URL: List-Archive: https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/79E31558-3E8E-40FE-BD2D-8B55A7FCAA8F@kitterman.com Approved: robomod@news.nic.it Lines: 59 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway Sender: robomod@news.nic.it X-Original-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 18:18:30 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <79E31558-3E8E-40FE-BD2D-8B55A7FCAA8F@kitterman.com> X-Original-References: <10060872.9BZC55eSLE@soren-desktop> <61419378.gJsmTMB4nk@zini-1880> Xref: csiph.com linux.debian.maint.python:15993 On July 1, 2024 6:08:31 PM UTC, Matthias Klose wrote: >On 29=2E06=2E24 20:29, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 1:36:41 PM EDT Soren Stoutner wrote: >>> Scott, >>>=20 >>> On Saturday, June 29, 2024 8:58:09 AM MST Scott Kitterman wrote: >>>> I would say no=2E Distutils is going to be with us for quite some ti= me, >>>> even >>>> though it's no longer part of the standard distribution=2E >>>>=20 >>>> Scott K >>>=20 >>> Can you please elaborate on this some more? As a maintainer of a coup= le of >>> packages that use distutils in some fashion I would appreciate underst= anding >>> the detail of what is happening with distutils in Debian=2E >>=20 >> I can't say for sure=2E I am assuming we will keep it in Debian in the= short >> term independent of the Python interpreter packages, since removing it = would >> break so many other packages=2E > >short time meaning, that we will remove it once we are stopping to have 3= =2E11 as a supported version, which is usually as the final step of a pytho= n transition=2E Please note, that python3-distutils has not been available= for 3=2E12 at any time=2E > >> According to codesearch=2Ed=2En over 600 packages reference disutils in= their >> code=2E That doesn't mean that they all use it, but it's a lot of pack= ages=2E > >this analysis is not good enough=2E it probably includes all stuff that c= an be used with the distutils included in setuptools=2E > >> I think it's smart to work with upstreams to migrate away from it ASAP,= since >> it isn't going to stick around forever, but I don't know the timeline= =2E >>=20 >> Of course, if no one volunteers to do the work to seperate it out of py= thon3- >> stdlib-extensions, then it might come up pretty soon=2E Is anyone plan= ning on >> working on this (I confess I thought someone already had)=2E > >it will be removed once we stop having 3=2E11 as a supported Python versi= on=2E Can python3-setuptools Provide: python3-distutils? That would reduce the number of packages that have to be touched? Scott K