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Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates

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Hi Matthias.

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I don't think that playing games with version numbers is a good thing to do.
> Version numbers should match the upstream source release, and the binary
> packages should not change that version.  Of course openjdk has a split
> personality to give even another version when called with java --version
>
> The final 11.0.3 release:
>
> https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-updates-dev/2019-April/000951.html
>
> does *not* contain the ea specifier.
>

That's correct, there currently is no `-ea` labeling, it's something that I
hope upstream
will add.  In the mean time you can assume that if it isn't `ga` then it's
a pre release build


>
> > We (AdoptOpenJDK) would really be appreciative of that! We're aiming to
> get
> > consistency amongst all of the OpenJDK providers that 'good known GA'
> > versions are deployed to end users.  I can only apologise for not having
> > reached out to the Debian community earlier to collaborate.  Appreciate
> the
> > efforts being put in here!
>
> I don't care what AdoptJdk is doing.  In the past, the only activity by
> AdoptJdk
> was trying to promote their builds for inclusion in some Linux distros.
> AdoptJdk only supports a subset of the Debian architectures, and we really
> don't
> need yet another IcedTea.
>

Apologies for not being clear.  AdoptOpenJDK is a community that promotes
OpenJDK, yes we
have our own builds (because there was an x-platform gap that needed
addressing) but our
*purpose* is to help solve issues that folks are having with OpenJDK.

On a side note if there are Debian architectures that we're not building
for then we'd like to
know so we can get coverage for those.  Our build farm is helpful in making
sure the
platform combinations have build and test coverage, we then fix issues
upstream so all
downstream providers get more stable builds (from the source in Debian's
case).


> > Is there anything we can do to help going forward?  OpenJDK upstream has
> a
> > pretty good established policy around having the `-ga` suffix added to
> > versions it would like downstream to take as a formal release.
>
> This is a recent addition. Last time I asked on an upstream mailing list,
> everybody seemed fine with the versioning:
>
> https://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk-updates-dev/2019-April/000969.html


It is a recent addition yes, I don't think we (the OpenJDK community)
communicated
that well enough.

Cheers,
Martijn


> > Is there
> > anything else that OpenJDK can do to help Debian?  One thing that
> > AdoptOpenJDK provides is a free test pipeline in it's build farm that
> could
> > happily receive the Debian built binary and put it through 100,000+ tests
> > and see if it matches what other OpenJDK providers are broadly producing,
> > would that be of interest?
>
> I'm moving that discussion to upstream, but in summary you shouldn't a
> dozen of
> configure options to configure your build from source.  Just release a sane
> upstream tarball.
>
> Matthias
>

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          Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 22:00 +0200
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              Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 16:00 +0200
            Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-05-27 18:50 +0200
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        Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2019-05-24 00:00 +0200
          Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-05-24 00:50 +0200
            Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates tony mancill <tmancill@debian.org> - 2019-05-25 18:10 +0200
              Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2019-05-27 17:10 +0200
              Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-05-27 18:40 +0200
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                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2019-05-30 00:10 +0200
          Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates tony mancill <tmancill@debian.org> - 2019-05-24 15:50 +0200
            Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@gmail.com> - 2019-05-24 20:30 +0200
              Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2019-05-26 21:50 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates tony mancill <tmancill@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2019-05-27 16:10 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-05-27 18:40 +0200
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                Re: debian/watch file for OpenJDK (was Re: Debian distributions of  stable OpenJDK updates) Tiago Daitx <tiago.daitx@canonical.com> - 2019-05-29 04:10 +0200
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                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2019-05-30 00:00 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2019-05-30 00:30 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> - 2019-06-10 11:40 +0200
                Re: Debian distributions of stable OpenJDK updates Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@gmail.com> - 2019-05-27 12:30 +0200

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