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Hi Kai-Chung Yan,

I don't have an answer to your question but I would like to point out
that gradle [1] does not depend on SBT [2]. They do similar things but
SBT is Scala oriented while Gradle aims to be a more generic build tool.

Regarding your question, from my experience during Debconf Heidleberg I
think Debian will accept any package as long as it is high quality and
maintained. The issues around Jenkins are that it's a big piece of
software with very active development and a big ecosystem of plugins
around it. That makes it a very difficult thing to maintain from a
security point of view. Stability and security means you need to keep
changes to a minimum.

If someone has a better explanation, please feel free to correct me.

[1] http://gradle.org/	
[2] http://www.scala-sbt.org/


On 24.01.2016 17:54, 殷啟聰 wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> So if my understanding is right, Jenkins is highly likely to be
> removed from Debian. And the reason behind this is because the release
> cycle of Jenkins is way too short and upstream already provides .deb?
> 
> So this makes me think about what exactly should be packaged into
> Debian. There are not too many softwares providing .deb distributions
> in upstream, but what if some of the softwares whose packages are
> already in Debian starts to provide upstream .deb, will we still have
> the motivation to keep maintaining it? For example, Gradle does not
> have .deb in upstream, but SBT does, and Gradle indirectly depends on
> SBT, then should we package SBT into Debian as well, which even though
> means lots of work?
> 
> So what if there are some new packages that depends on libraries of
> Jenkins and someone wants to package it, what should he do?
> 
> By the way, I am not using Jenkins in daily life, I am simply curious. :)
> 
> Regards,
> Kai-Chung Yan
> 
> 2016-01-21 0:41 GMT+08:00 Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org>:
>> Le 14/01/2016 10:15, Thorsten Glaser a écrit :
>>
>>> Hrm, so is upstream’s packaging any good then? I have seen
>>> so many attempts of upstream to package “for” Debian that
>>> I don’t believe them unseen any more…
>>
>> Reproducibility put aside the upstream package is quite good. The
>> dependencies and the paths used are correct. It even managed to upgrade
>> my years old installation of Hudson and turn it into a shiny and up to
>> date instance of Jenkins without losing anything.
>>
>>
>>> … (plus I’d not know which version to pick, and “nobody
>>> ever got fired for buying IB^W^Wusing what’s in Debian” ☺)
>>
>> That's probably true for the upstream jenkins package too ;)
>>
>> Emmanuel Bourg
>>
> 
> 
> 

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      Re: About Jenkins in Debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-11 22:40 +0100
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      Re: About Jenkins in Debian Arnaud Vandyck <avandyck@gmail.com> - 2016-01-12 11:00 +0100
  Re: About Jenkins in Debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-01-13 19:30 +0100
    Re: About Jenkins in Debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-01-14 09:40 +0100
      Re: About Jenkins in Debian Thorsten Glaser <t.glaser@tarent.de> - 2016-01-14 10:20 +0100
        Re: About Jenkins in Debian Guido Günther <gg@godiug.net> - 2016-01-15 18:10 +0100
        Re: About Jenkins in Debian Emmanuel Bourg <ebourg@apache.org> - 2016-01-20 17:50 +0100
          Re: About Jenkins in Debian 殷啟聰 <seamlikok@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 17:00 +0100
            Re: About Jenkins in Debian Ioan Eugen Stan <stan.ieugen@gmail.com> - 2016-01-24 20:30 +0100
            Re: About Jenkins in Debian Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2016-01-24 21:20 +0100
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