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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.windows.x |
| Subject | Re: Wayland Is Coming |
| Date | 2024-05-12 20:42 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On Sun, 12 May 2024 08:48:49 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote: > On Sun, 12 May 2024 02:23:32 -0000 (UTC) > > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>On Fri, 10 May 2024 08:34:15 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote: >>> >>> If tha[’]s all it was it wouldn't still be in development after 15 >>> years except for low level driver updates. >> >>So do you think that “thin layer above the framebuffer level”, which >>supposedly is “all that’s needed”, is still not ready for prime-time? > > Its all wayland seems to do. Provide a low level buffer and let the > clients generate the pixels. > >>You think maybe it turned out to be harder to come up with than you >>thought? > > No, it turned out the Wayland design was a poorly thought out dogs > dinner and now they're trying to get it to work properly. But you said yourself: “All that[’]s needed is a thin layer above the framebuffer level to marshal graphics requests. Compositing isn't complicated”. Are you changing your mind now? >>>>You mean the X11 graphics API has been stagnant for decades. It’s just >>>>useless baggage by this point. >>> >>> Or possibly it[’]s stagnant because it works. >> >>No, it’s stagnant because it’s been overtaken by other, far superior >>graphics APIs. Like Display PostScript, OpenGL, Cairo, Vulkan ... > > OpenGL was running on X back in the 90s FFS. On top of, yes. As a replacement for, no. Given that you have something that powerful, the X11 graphics API itself becomes ... superfluous. > Plenty of programs still use Xlib ... Actually, a lot of them switched to XCB. > ... and having the compositing side as an X extension ... That’s been superseded by XWayland. >>This is why, on Linux, you have a choice. > > Until the zeolots decide X is for the bin just like they did init and > replaced it with the bug ridden POS called systemd. Ah, seems you lack what the French call “Systéme D”. There is a discussion about that in comp.os.linux.advocacy, if you want to go there and rant about it. Or we can rant about it here. I don’t really mind, though some others might.
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Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 08:00 +0000
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Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:58 +0000
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Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:57 +0000
Re: Wayland Is Coming Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-10 00:38 +0000
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Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-11 08:52 +0000
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Re: Wayland Is Coming Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net> - 2024-05-12 02:32 +0000
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Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:57 +0000
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Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-25 22:39 +0000
Re: Wayland is coming Sebastian Wells <sebastian@here.com.invalid> - 2024-05-26 09:21 +0000
Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-26 20:59 +0000
Re: Wayland is coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-27 10:16 +0000
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