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Re: Wayland Is Coming

From Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
Newsgroups comp.windows.x
Subject Re: Wayland Is Coming
Date 2024-05-08 14:01 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <v1g0jv$d2f$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References <v1f0ja$3ot7f$2@dont-email.me> <v1fpmm$ne3m$2@news.xmission.com>

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On Wed, 8 May 2024 12:03:34 -0000 (UTC)
gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) wrote:
>In article <v1f0ja$3ot7f$2@dont-email.me>,
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro  <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>So, X11 development has been moribund for years. All the major GUI 
>>environments are adding Wayland support now.
>>
>>X11 is full of legacy cruft, like that graphics API (at least the font 
>>server API went away years ago).
>
>The latest version of the Raspberry Pi hardware/software combination has
>embraced Wayland.  However, people are having problems with it, and many
>are giving (and taking) the advice to switch back to X.
>
>It doesn't look ready for prime time yet to me.

And probably never will be but will probably be adopted anyway even though
its half baked crap because the momentum of vested interests and the herds of
sheep will make it happen, just like systemd. It also doesn't help that the 
wayland team dismiss anything thats hard to do as not required , eg remoting.

Wayland is little more than a high level frame buffer. With Xlib once you've
understood the concepts you can get something onscreen fairly quickly even
if it looks primitive by todays standards. Good luck doing that with Wayland. 
If you don't use a high level toolkit you're in for a whole world of pain.

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Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 04:55 +0000
  Re: Wayland Is Coming gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-05-08 12:03 +0000
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-08 14:01 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:44 +0000
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 07:35 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 07:49 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 05:20 +0000
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 07:39 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 07:50 +0000
            Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 08:19 +0000
              Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 21:45 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-10 08:34 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-12 08:48 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Zach Metzinger <please@ask.me.invalid> - 2024-05-12 14:08 -0500
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:42 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:42 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 08:05 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-14 00:49 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-14 07:39 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:55 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-17 08:48 +0000
            Re: Wayland Is Coming Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2024-05-12 22:09 +0000
              Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 08:09 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 09:45 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 11:03 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:59 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-14 07:37 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-15 05:55 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-15 07:18 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-24 03:40 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-24 08:51 +0000
  Re: Wayland Is Coming Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-08 20:12 +0200
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-08 20:41 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-09 06:54 +0200
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 05:18 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 07:36 +0000
            Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 07:50 +0000
              Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 08:16 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 21:44 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-10 08:32 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:56 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-11 08:58 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:51 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-12 08:44 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 20:37 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 08:00 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 09:49 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Julian Bradfield <jcb@inf.ed.ac.uk> - 2024-05-13 10:31 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-14 21:52 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-15 07:14 +0000
                X over ssh is not insecure (was: Re: Wayland Is Coming) vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-05-15 16:31 +0000
                Re: X over ssh is not insecure (was: Re: Wayland Is Coming) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-17 07:56 +0000
                Re: X over ssh is not insecure (was: Re: Wayland Is Coming) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-17 08:49 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-13 11:08 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-13 22:58 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-14 07:36 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-09 10:30 +0200
            Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-09 08:36 +0000
              Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-09 21:50 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-10 08:35 +0000
                Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:57 +0000
  Re: Wayland Is Coming Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-10 00:38 +0000
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 01:05 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-10 08:37 +0000
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:56 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-11 08:52 +0000
  Re: Wayland Is Coming Zach Metzinger <please@ask.me.invalid> - 2024-05-10 11:11 -0500
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-10 21:32 +0200
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Zach Metzinger <please@ask.me.invalid> - 2024-05-10 15:56 -0500
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:55 +0000
          Re: Wayland Is Coming Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-11 10:13 +0200
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-10 21:54 +0000
    Re: Wayland Is Coming Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net> - 2024-05-11 02:18 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-11 03:25 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Winston <wbe@UBEBLOCK.psr.com.invalid> - 2024-05-11 00:10 -0400
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-11 05:40 +0000
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Alastair Hogge <agh@riseup.net> - 2024-05-12 02:32 +0000
      Re: Wayland Is Coming Zach Metzinger <ask.me@nowhere.invalid> - 2024-05-11 09:43 -0500
        Re: Wayland Is Coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-11 14:51 +0000
  Re: Wayland is coming Ivan Shmakov <ivan@siamics.netREMOVE.invalid> - 2024-05-11 10:25 +0000
    Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-12 00:57 +0000
      Re: Wayland is coming Sebastian Wells <sebastian@here.com.invalid> - 2024-05-25 09:47 +0000
        Re: Wayland is coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-25 10:10 +0000
        Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-25 22:39 +0000
          Re: Wayland is coming Sebastian Wells <sebastian@here.com.invalid> - 2024-05-26 09:21 +0000
            Re: Wayland is coming Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-05-26 20:59 +0000
              Re: Wayland is coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-27 10:16 +0000
            Re: Wayland is coming Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-05-27 10:17 +0000

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