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On 9/10/21 11:39 PM, Daiyu Hurst wrote:
> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 1:48:07 PM UTC-4, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 9/4/21 2:25 PM, Daiyu Hurst wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:43:37 AM UTC-4, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> 
>> Just out of curiosity, now that an emulator and versions of Primos are
>> available, any chance someone has a copy of Primix?
> 
> There's a brochure:
> 
> https://sysovl.info/pages/blobs/prime/brochures/jim/PrimeUNIXos.pdf
> 
> But, like Christianity, there's endless proliferation of Unix. Every time two Christians disagree about scripture, they schism, and form two new churches. Likewise with Unix, every time two programmers disagree about how it should work or what services it should provide, someone spawns a new version.

Just what do you consider a "new" version of Unix?  There is BSD and
SystemV.  That's all there has been for decades. All there will be
going into the future.  Implementation on different hardware does not
constitute a "new" version of Unix.

And I left Linux out because it is not now and never has be Unix.


> 
> Not quite so many different Multics-like operating systems. Just Multics and Primos, and well, OpenVOS (Stratus).
> 
> If there was anything sort of different about Primix, it was that it co-existed with another OS, Primos, operating side-by-side on the same machine. 

Not so much side-by=side as on top of, like Eunice on VMS.


>  But again, whatever benefits Unix has supposedly provide, like some mythical level-playing field, if you've ever tried building common open-source software packages written in a supposedly-standard language, C (or C++), you end up in configuration and toolchain hell for more time than you ever spend actually running the package you wanted to have on the target hardware.

I have built open-source software packages on lots of different Unix
versions.  Even back in the days when there were a lot more
incompatibilities between differnt flavors of Unix.  But then you have
Primix.  A version that can not use any of the common open-source
packages of its day.  Sadly, the only thing it actually accomplished
was the have Prime quash the native mode Unix that was being made for
the 50 Series machines.  Who knows, that might even have kept Prime in
the market, but, alas, they had no vision.  :-)

> 
> It may be out there. Before they closed, the Living Computer Museum acquired a LOT a stuff that awaits the end of the pandemic, and the beginning of a renewed interest on the part of the museum's owner. Maybe they have it. But they're closed.

It wold be fun to play with again, but it was never a practical
solution for any real problem because it was buried under some
of the worst of Prime's idiosyncrasies.

bill

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  Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2012-11-30 09:28 -0800
    Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-11-30 22:11 -0800
      Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-12-02 10:54 -0800
        Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 15:01 -0800
          Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 15:03 -0800
          Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2012-12-13 23:14 +0000
            Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-12-13 17:19 -0800
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              Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2012-12-14 13:07 +0000
                Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2012-12-14 08:02 -0800
                Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) - 2012-12-14 17:11 +0000
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      Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2019-09-25 04:10 -0500
        Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2019-09-25 08:43 -0400
          Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Daiyu Hurst <daiyu.hurst@gmail.com> - 2019-09-25 05:54 -0700
          Re: Georgia Tech Software Tools for Primos Bernard Giroud <bgiroud3@free.fr> - 2019-09-26 10:08 +0200
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