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| Started by | Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> |
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| First post | 2020-11-12 13:48 -0600 |
| Last post | 2020-11-13 14:59 +1300 |
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Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> - 2020-11-12 13:48 -0600
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Ian Hartley <Contact.News@sky.com> - 2020-11-12 21:10 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Leo <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2020-11-12 13:33 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> - 2020-11-12 16:43 -0600
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 14:23 +1300
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-12 21:20 -0600
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2020-11-12 20:52 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2020-11-12 23:18 -0600
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 10:26 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-13 08:01 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-14 09:02 +1300
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2020-11-13 12:19 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 00:56 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-13 20:25 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-13 22:02 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-13 14:11 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 00:58 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-13 20:06 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 09:50 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-13 17:30 -0800
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-14 18:48 +1300
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 09:32 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 16:53 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 12:16 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 18:45 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 16:09 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 23:10 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 18:22 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-14 20:13 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-14 23:14 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-14 18:26 -0500
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> - 2020-11-17 07:20 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 18:23 +1300
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> - 2020-11-12 23:58 -0600
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-11-15 12:15 -0700
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-15 20:14 +0000
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-16 19:22 +1300
Re: Any advantage to updating to Big Sur? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-13 14:59 +1300
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 18:48 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <ronr44$18qq$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #134858 |
On 2020-11-14 01:30:05 +0000, Alan Baker said: > On 2020-11-13 4:58 p.m., Lewis wrote: >> In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello >> <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> >>> wrote: >> >>>> I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used >>>> with any regularity. >> >>> Did you use Go64? >>> >>> <https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/> >> >> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software". >> >> It's more accurate. > > Why do you believe it's more accurate? > > What I can tell use is that the System Information app is less user friendly. According to some people the System Inforamtion isn't accurate, although it may be good enough for users with very simple requirements. As well as Go64, there is 32-bitCheck and ArchiChect at The Eclectic Light Company: <https://eclecticlight.co/2019/05/22/how-to-find-all-your-32-bit-apps-a-non-buyers-guide/> 32-bitCheck looks through any folder you choose (which could be an entire drive, but may take a while) checking inside the app bundles. ArchiChect checks individual apps via drag-n-drop.
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 09:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> |
| In reply to | #134848 |
On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote:
> In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
>> wrote:
>
>>> I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
>>> with any regularity.
>
>> Did you use Go64?
>
>> <https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
>
> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it.
--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 16:53 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrr02sb.prk.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134883 |
In message <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote: >> In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> >>> wrote: >> >>>> I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used >>>> with any regularity. >> >>> Did you use Go64? >> >>> <https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/> >> >> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software". > The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it. Yes, that is one option. Not the best one. The category on the left you want is something like Legacy Software and lists ONLY the 32 bit apps. It's near the bottom of the list. -- Love is strange and you have to learn to take the crunchy with the smooth I suppose
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 12:16 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <WhUrH.329948$9r7.276282@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #134892 |
On 2020-11-14 11:53, Lewis wrote:
> In message <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used
>>>>> with any regularity.
>>>
>>>> Did you use Go64?
>>>
>>>> <https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/>
>>>
>>> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
>>> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
>
>> The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it.
>
> Yes, that is one option. Not the best one. The category on the left you
> want is something like Legacy Software and lists ONLY the 32 bit apps.
>
> It's near the bottom of the list.
Never noticed it before. Just as easy to sort on the 64 bit column in
Applications. Click on an app of interest and get the info in the sub pane.
--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 18:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrr09dk.1j07.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134894 |
In message <WhUrH.329948$9r7.276282@fx07.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-11-14 11:53, Lewis wrote: >> In message <jURrH.889557$AN2.536300@fx46.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: >>> On 2020-11-13 19:58, Lewis wrote: >>>> In message <romvqj$ov2$2@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> On 2020-11-13 at 09:01:23 MST, "Alan Baker" <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> I did an audit of my machine and there was ONE 32-bit app that I used >>>>>> with any regularity. >>>> >>>>> Did you use Go64? >>>> >>>>> <https://www.stclairsoft.com/Go64/> >>>> >>>> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >>>> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software". >> >>> The column is "64 bit (intel)" with "yes"/"no" under it. >> >> Yes, that is one option. Not the best one. The category on the left you >> want is something like Legacy Software and lists ONLY the 32 bit apps. >> >> It's near the bottom of the list. > Never noticed it before. Just as easy to sort on the 64 bit column in > Applications. Click on an app of interest and get the info in the sub pane. As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful information. Not that I can check that, I do not have any machines currently running that can even run 32 bit apps. -- Let there be songs to fill the air
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 16:09 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <uIXrH.365308$5_4.360553@fx40.iad> |
| In reply to | #134907 |
On 2020-11-14 13:45, Lewis wrote:
>
> As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful
> information.
Applications shows me Adobe DNG Converter (32 bit and 64 bit versions),
"Legacy software" is mute about the 32 bit version (because I have the
64b version I assume).
With Legacy Sofware you get some additional data such as Version,
Signing ID and hash, but nothing esp. useful to manifest what s/w needs
consideration to upgrade/update/replacement or loss.
------------------------Legacy Software-------------------------------
Adobe Bridge CS5:
Reason: 32-bit
Last Used: 2019-08-12 19:39:07
Path: /Applications/Adobe Bridge CS5/Adobe Bridge
CS5.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Bridge CS5
Signing ID: com.adobe.bridge4
Signing Hash: aa1c5b6a0c1409cb35a5260319ead511d2ad25a3
Parent Process: /Applications/Adobe Bridge CS5/Adobe Bridge
CS5.app/Contents/MacOS/Adobe Bridge CS5
------------------------Applications----------------------------------
Adobe Bridge CS5:
Version: 4.0.0.529
Obtained from: Unknown
Last Modified: 2013-09-28, 09:26
Kind: Intel
64-Bit (Intel): No
Location: /Applications/Adobe Bridge CS5/Adobe Bridge CS5.app
Get Info String: 4.0.0.529, Copyright 2003-2010, Adobe Systems, Inc.
--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 23:10 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrr0ovq.2i4v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134921 |
In message <uIXrH.365308$5_4.360553@fx40.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > On 2020-11-14 13:45, Lewis wrote: >> >> As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful >> information. > Applications shows me Adobe DNG Converter (32 bit and 64 bit versions), > "Legacy software" is mute about the 32 bit version (because I have the > 64b version I assume). > With Legacy Sofware you get some additional data such as Version, > Signing ID and hash, but nothing esp. useful to manifest what s/w needs > consideration to upgrade/update/replacement or loss. Version info seems like it would be very useful when looking for updates. -- 'Ah... I see that the new traffic division is having the desired effect.' He indicated a large pile of paper. 'I am getting any amount of complaints from the Carters' and Drovers' Guild. Well done. Do pass on my thanks to Sergeant Colon and his team.' 'I will, sir.' 'I see in one day they clamped seventeen carts, ten horses, eighteen oxen and one duck.' 'It was parked illegally, sir.'
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 18:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <0FZrH.1185365$DO2.183339@fx45.iad> |
| In reply to | #134926 |
On 2020-11-14 18:10, Lewis wrote:
> In message <uIXrH.365308$5_4.360553@fx40.iad> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2020-11-14 13:45, Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> As I recall, the Legacy Software category gives more and more useful
>>> information.
>
>> Applications shows me Adobe DNG Converter (32 bit and 64 bit versions),
>> "Legacy software" is mute about the 32 bit version (because I have the
>> 64b version I assume).
>
>> With Legacy Sofware you get some additional data such as Version,
>> Signing ID and hash, but nothing esp. useful to manifest what s/w needs
>> consideration to upgrade/update/replacement or loss.
>
> Version info seems like it would be very useful when looking for updates.
Pretty much forced to get at least the lowest version of the 64b
version. So prior version doesn't mean much.
--
"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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| From | Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 20:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ropdol$tda$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134848 |
On 2020-11-13 at 17:58:20 MST, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote: > Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the > System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software". > > It's more accurate. No, it isn't. That pane in particular does not update properly. On my system (10.14.6), it still lists a game app that I deleted months ago and continues to list Find Any File (now at 2.2.1) and Google Earth Pro (now at 7.3.3) as 32-bit apps. The File menu's Refresh Information command doesn't fix this. In addition, Go64 is much easier to use, because it displays the 32-bit items in one pane, whereas System Information splits them among several panes and only allows sorting of 64-bit items by column in Applications and Preference Panes. System Information is very useful, but for the specific task of finding 32-bit software on your system, Go64 is better.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 23:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrr0p6c.2i4v.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134916 |
In message <ropdol$tda$4@dont-email.me> Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> wrote: > On 2020-11-13 at 17:58:20 MST, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote: >> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the >> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software". >> >> It's more accurate. > No, it isn't. That pane in particular does not update properly. On my system > (10.14.6), it still lists a game app that I deleted months ago and continues > to list Find Any File (now at 2.2.1) and Google Earth Pro (now at 7.3.3) as > 32-bit apps. The File menu's Refresh Information command doesn't fix this. > In addition, Go64 is much easier to use, because it displays the 32-bit items > in one pane, whereas System Information splits them among several panes and > only allows sorting of 64-bit items by column in Applications and Preference > Panes. If you reread the above you will find that you missed some critical information. > System Information is very useful, but for the specific task of finding 32-bit > software on your system, Go64 is better. As I said, it showed things that were not an issue a couple of years ago when this was an issue. But I have no 32 bit apps not any systems running versions that can run 32 bit apps. -- And there were all the stars, looking remarkably like powered diamonds spilled on black velvet, the stars that lured and ultimately called the boldest towards them...
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| From | Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-14 18:26 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <eIZrH.331148$9r7.244874@fx07.iad> |
| In reply to | #134916 |
On 2020-11-14 15:13, Neill Massello wrote:
> On 2020-11-13 at 17:58:20 MST, "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> Unneeded, the System tells you all the 32 but apps on your system in the
>> System Information App. I believe the category is "Legacy software".
>>
>> It's more accurate.
>
> No, it isn't. That pane in particular does not update properly. On my system
> (10.14.6), it still lists a game app that I deleted months ago and continues
> to list Find Any File (now at 2.2.1) and Google Earth Pro (now at 7.3.3) as
> 32-bit apps. The File menu's Refresh Information command doesn't fix this.
Hmm. Google Earth Pro is shown as 7.3[.3.7786) and 64 bits on my
machine in System Information | Applications.
------------------------ From System Information | Applications ------
Google Earth Pro:
Version: 7.3
Obtained from: Identified Developer
Last Modified: 2020-08-12, 19:51
Kind: Intel
64-Bit (Intel): Yes
Signed by: Developer ID Application: Google, Inc. (EQHXZ8M8AV),
Developer ID Certification Authority, Apple Root CA
Location: /Applications/Google Earth Pro.app
Get Info String: 7.3.3.7786
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"...there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white
man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages."
-Samuel Clemens
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| From | Neill Massello <nmassello@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-17 07:20 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <rovtjc$qsl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134930 |
On 2020-11-14 at 16:26:01 MST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote: > Hmm. Google Earth Pro is shown as 7.3[.3.7786) and 64 bits on my > machine in System Information | Applications. Yes, the Applications pane gets updated and shows the correct information. The Legacy Software pane does not.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-13 18:23 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <rol58b$14v1$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #134755 |
On 2020-11-13 03:20:54 +0000, Ant said: <snip> > I was surprised to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple > would drop its support after today's Big Sur release. Thanks ... I think. I didn't notice there was an update now waiting. I have to download it and the iPad update before Sunday night when my monthly data cap starts a new month (don't want to start the new month with big downloads to do!).
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| From | Otto Pylot <otto.pylot@bogusaddress.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-12 23:58 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <xridnVbMwK_nvTPCnZ2dnUU7-aHNnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #134755 |
On Nov 12, 2020 at 7:20:54 PM PST, "Ant" <Ant> wrote: > Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote: > >> It'll be all these fools trying to instantly install Big Sur the >> immediate second it is available (most of them simply for bragging >> rights) ... yet another good reason to turn off automatic updates. :-\ > >> Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You >> should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn >> up with the first public release. > > Ditto. For me, I just wait until the current installed OS (e.g., Mojave > v10.14.6 which got supplemental and Safari v14.0.1 updates today with no > problems) is no longer supported. Next year, I'll install Catalina which > is the last version to work in this 2012 13.3" MBP. :( I was surprised > to see High Sierra got an update today. I thought Apple would drop its > support after today's Big Sur release. I agree. I am not an early adopter so I can wait for .1,.2, etc. I was just curious if anyone had any impressions on BS so far. I guess waiting for .1 etc a few weeks after initial release was a bit premature. -- Deja Moo: I've seen this bullshit before.
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| From | André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> |
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| Date | 2020-11-15 12:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <rorunn$u30$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #134746 |
On 2020-11-12 18:23, Your Name wrote: > Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You > should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up > with the first public release. Technically, its a .0.1. AFAIK, there was no .0 (not that this really affects your point). André -- To email remove 'invalid' & replace 'gm' with well known Google mail service.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> |
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| Date | 2020-11-15 20:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnrr331e.30ma.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> |
| In reply to | #134955 |
In message <rorunn$u30$1@dont-email.me> André G Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote: > On 2020-11-12 18:23, Your Name wrote: >> Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You >> should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up >> with the first public release. > Technically, its a .0.1. AFAIK, there was no .0 (not that this really > affects your point). His point is nonsense, of course. Plenty of people update to the new IS at the initial version, usually on their secondary machine if they are people who do real work on their computers (that is, email and such may be real work, but not what I mean). Also, people who rely on specialize third party software are smart to delay until they know their third party software works. But for mot people and most systems, there is no reason to delay. And most people do not delay. The uptake on 11.0.1 was huge, which is partly what overwhelmed the CDN. Which was a minor issue that was 1) easily mitigated and 2) quickly fixed. -- Mister Teatime had a truly brilliant mind, but it was brilliant like a fractured mirror, all marvelous facets and rainbows but, ultimately, also something that was broken. --Hogfather
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-16 19:22 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <rot5ru$ur2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #134958 |
On 2020-11-15 20:14:38 +0000, Lewis said: > In message <rorunn$u30$1@dont-email.me> André G Isaak > <agisaak@gm.invalid> wrote: >> On 2020-11-12 18:23, Your Name wrote: >>> >>> Nobody with a brain ever installs version .0 of anything anyway. You >>> should at least wait for version .1 to fix the many bugs that'll turn up >>> with the first public release. >> >> Technically, its a .0.1. AFAIK, there was no .0 (not that this really >> affects your point). > > His point is nonsense, of course. Supposedly "nonsense", and yet ... > Plenty of people update to the new IS at the initial version, usually on > their secondary machine if they are people who do real work on their > computers (that is, email and such may be real work, but not what I > mean). Also, people who rely on specialize third party software are > smart to delay until they know their third party software works. ... you then repeat the exact same point about it being "smart to delay". :-\ > But for mot people and most systems, there is no reason to delay. And > most people do not delay. The uptake on 11.0.1 was huge, which is partly > what overwhelmed the CDN. Which was a minor issue that was 1) easily > mitigated and 2) quickly fixed. And many people report issues when upgrading to a brand new version of the OS, or any other app for that matter. Waiting for the dust to settle is simply the more sensible option. For example, many people with older MacBook Pros are finding that trying to update to Big Sur turns their laptop into a giant paperweight ... although in *some* cases it may simply be being caused by impatient people 'pulling the plug' mid-update due to Apple's server issues causing long dealys where the computer seems to be doing nothing.
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| From | Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> |
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| Date | 2020-11-13 14:59 +1300 |
| Message-ID | <rokp9g$1m5b$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #134729 |
On 2020-11-12 19:48:01 +0000, Otto Pylot said: > > 2019 MacBook Pro, 10.15.7, 8/250 The advatages are NOT updating and sticking to the older macOS versions. Big Sur is horribly iOS-like ... widespread menubars items, icons inside squares, etc. It's also likely buggy being version .0, despite the numerous beta versions beforehand.
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