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  Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-13 19:47 +0000
    Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-13 22:19 +0000
    Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:34 -0500
      Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 16:03 +0000
        Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:29 -0500
    Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-13 18:45 -0500
      Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 16:08 +0000
        Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 13:01 -0500
          Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 19:05 +0000
            Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 19:17 +0000
              Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:33 -0500
                Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 14:45 -0500
                Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:28 +0000
              Re: Xterm configuration Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> - 2016-01-14 20:09 +0000
                Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:44 +0000
                  Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 15:49 -0500
                    Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:58 +0000
                      Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 21:29 +0000
                        Re: Xterm configuration Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2016-01-14 14:24 -0800
                        Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-14 23:09 +0000
                          Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 02:37 +0000
                            Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 07:28 +0000
                              Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 11:17 +0000
                                Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 14:38 +0000
                Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 02:29 +0000
                  Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:06 -0500
                  Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-25 17:15 +0000
                Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-15 08:31 -0500
                  Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-15 18:11 +0000
                    Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 19:01 +0000
                      Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-15 14:21 -0500
                        Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 19:57 +0000
                          Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-15 21:10 +0000
                    Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-15 21:30 +0000
                    Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 22:39 +0000
                      Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 22:39 +0000
                    Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0500
                    Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:09 -0500
                      Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-21 01:05 -0500
                        Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:15 -0500
                          Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-22 03:54 +0000
            Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 14:42 -0500
              Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 15:53 -0500
                Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 17:44 -0500
    Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 00:54 +0000
      Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-13 20:22 -0500
        Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-13 21:13 -0500
          Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-14 16:57 -0500
            Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 17:15 -0500
              Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-14 17:44 -0500
                Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-15 02:21 -0500
        Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:13 -0500
    Re: Xterm configuration Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2016-01-13 19:51 -0800
    Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 21:58 -0500

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#87406

In comp.sys.mac.system Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@spam.invalid> wrote:

> I'd guess VMS 2014 and VMS 1989 are almost unrecognizable as relatives.  :-)

They're not all that far apart.  The single biggest difference, you ask?

              <<< EISNER::DRA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]SHOP_TALK.NOTE;1 >>>
                                 -< SHOP_TALK >-
================================================================================
Note 47.3               Name "OpenVMS" considered harmful                3 of 50
EISNER::BRETON "Digital - OpenVMS Product Manager"   25 lines  17-SEP-1992 10:41
                       -< Sorry we're all stuck with it >-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Sorry we're stuck with OpenVMS. Unfortuneately I can not print my
    opinion of this new name in a public forum. However here's the "party
    line" I have to use everytime someone asks me why:
    
    "Digital, changed name of VMS to OpenVMS to reflect the high level of open 
    standards support in our software and to highlight our commitment to 
    continue and expand this support in the future. With the addition of POSIX 
    and XPG3 components to OpenVMS, and our support for NAS, we intend to 
    supply a completely open computing evironment that provides our customers 
    with application and user portability and system interoperability."
    
    And now that we have 2 platforms for OpenVMS to run on we have 2
    product names:
    
    	OpenVMS VAX
    
    	OpenVMS Alpha AXP
    
    Yes that's right. Alpha couldn't be trademarked so they trademarked
    "Alpha AXP". What does AXP stand for you ask? The same thing "GL"
    stands for on my Volkswagon "Jetta GL" and the same thing "LX" stands
    for on my wife's Honda "Accord LX". It's a differentiator with no
    direct interpretation like "Virtual Address eXtended".
    
       Brian
-- 
        sub     #'9+1   ,r0             ; convert ascii byte
	add     #9.+1   ,r0             ; to an integer
	bcc     20$                     ; not a number

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#87130

In article <n78rh0$85p$2@pcls7.std.com>,
 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote:

> Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> 
> >In Preferences->Advanced there's a checkbox "Strict VT100 keypad 
> >behavior". That doesn't do what you want?
> 
> I see no such option.  Closest thing I see is "Allow VT100 application 
> keypad mode".

I'm running Snow Leopard, maybe they renamed it in newer versions.

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#87136

On 2016-01-14 14:42, Barry Margolin wrote:

> I'm running Snow Leopard, maybe they renamed it in newer versions.


I was able to update to Xquartz from X11 while at Snow Leopard. Note
that the upgrade didn't go well on my Xserve, but went well on the desktop.

This moves you from the now unsupported Apple produce "X11" to the
communityt supported XQuartz project. The current version also moves
stuff out of what will become SIP protected directories should you
upgtade to El-Capitan.

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#87149

In article <56980ac0$0$62619$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com>,
 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-01-14 14:42, Barry Margolin wrote:
> 
> > I'm running Snow Leopard, maybe they renamed it in newer versions.
> 
> 
> I was able to update to Xquartz from X11 while at Snow Leopard. Note
> that the upgrade didn't go well on my Xserve, but went well on the desktop.

What does that have to do with Terminal preferences?

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#87111

On 2016-01-13, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and 
> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.

I find it's much easier to use Apple's /Applications/Utilities/Terminal
application and just ssh into whatever machine you want to use. Terminal
has lots of flexibility and functionality built into it I find very
useful.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#87114

On 2016-01-13 19:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2016-01-13, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
>> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and
>> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.
>
> I find it's much easier to use Apple's /Applications/Utilities/Terminal
> application and just ssh into whatever machine you want to use. Terminal
> has lots of flexibility and functionality built into it I find very
> useful.

Default behaviour emulating VT-100 being one of them.  (The VT-100 
having the most horrid escape sequences for control that I've ever seen, 
mind you).


-- 
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with shitty luck."
               ..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

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#87117

In article <mMadnUEe8O6mZQvLnZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-01-13 19:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > On 2016-01-13, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> >> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and
> >> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.
> >
> > I find it's much easier to use Apple's /Applications/Utilities/Terminal
> > application and just ssh into whatever machine you want to use. Terminal
> > has lots of flexibility and functionality built into it I find very
> > useful.
> 
> Default behaviour emulating VT-100 being one of them.  (The VT-100 
> having the most horrid escape sequences for control that I've ever seen, 
> mind you).

Its control sequences formed the basis for the ANSI X3.64 standard (or 
maybe it was the other way around), and most terminals and emulators 
since then have been using them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI_escape_code

-- 
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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#87141

On 2016-01-13 21:13, Barry Margolin wrote:
> Its control sequences formed the basis for the ANSI X3.64 standard (or
> maybe it was the other way around), and most terminals and emulators
> since then have been using them.

Never said different.  The format remains ugly and rather unintuitive to 
program.  (The VT-100 - per your link - was the first to implement the 
standard as published).


-- 
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with shitty luck."
               ..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

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#87144

On 2016-01-14 16:57, Alan Browne wrote:

> program.  (The VT-100 - per your link - was the first to implement the 
> standard as published).


ANSI format was derived from the VT220 (a superset of VT100). Digital
developped the escape sequences well before the standard was established.

Note that ANSI added a few bells and whistles to the DEC standards as
well. (I think some colour sequences which DEC may have used on its
VT240 colour terminal).

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#87148

On 2016-01-14 17:15, JF Mezei wrote:
> On 2016-01-14 16:57, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> program.  (The VT-100 - per your link - was the first to implement the
>> standard as published).
>
>
> ANSI format was derived from the VT220 (a superset of VT100). Digital
> developped the escape sequences well before the standard was established.
>
> Note that ANSI added a few bells and whistles to the DEC standards as
> well. (I think some colour sequences which DEC may have used on its
> VT240 colour terminal).

Go read the article that Barry linked to.  In short: The ECMA standard 
contained the VT-52 controlset and then "standardized" various other 
things calling it ECMA-48 (1976) - in turn DEC implemented that in the 
VT-100 (1978).  ECMA-48 became the ANSI standard after that.  But 
ECMA-48 predated the VT-100.

-- 
"But I am somehow extraordinarily lucky, for a guy with shitty luck."
               ..Harrison Ford, Rolling Stone - 2015-12-02

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#87154

On 2016-01-14 17:44, Alan Browne wrote:

> Go read the article that Barry linked to.  In short: The ECMA standard 
> contained the VT-52 controlset and then "standardized" various other 
> things calling it ECMA-48 (1976) - in turn DEC implemented that in the 
> VT-100 (1978).  ECMA-48 became the ANSI standard after that.


While the VT100 had a VT52 compatibility mode, the escape sequences for
both are not compatible except for the "inquire terminal" which when
sent to the terminal, causes the terminal to respond with its
identificatioN/capabilities.

I'd have to fire up one of my 2 remaining VT220s to see it the setup
menus even included ability to do VT52.

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#87307

On 01-13-2016 20:22, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2016-01-13 19:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2016-01-13, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
>>> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and
>>> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.
>>
>> I find it's much easier to use Apple's /Applications/Utilities/Terminal
>> application and just ssh into whatever machine you want to use. Terminal
>> has lots of flexibility and functionality built into it I find very
>> useful.
>
> Default behaviour emulating VT-100 being one of them.  (The VT-100
> having the most horrid escape sequences for control that I've ever seen,
> mind you).

Mine says "xterm-color" and I never changed it, so ... isn't that the 
default?

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#87118

moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:

> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and 
> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.  I will have several windows 
> which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx 
> terminals.

I use xterm windows all the time to access remote machines via ssh.

> First, how do I add borders? I will have several windows on the screen at
> once, with a black background, and when they overlap it's hard to tell
> where one window ends and another begins because no border separates
> them.

Maybe you can do that with X resources.  If you figure it out, let us
know.

> How do I enable a program to change the title in the title bar?  (not the 
> escape sequence, but the resource to enable xterm to do so)

In tcsh:

   alias xtitle 'echo "]0;"\!*""\\c'

Then 'xtitle foo' will make the xterm's title read "foo".  That's a
control-g after the 3rd double quote and a control-[ after the first
double quote.

> How do I cut from an xterm window and paste it elsewhere (for example
> paste a URL into Safari)? And vice versa?  X seems to use a separate
> paste buffer from the rest of the system.

In XQuartz preferences, under Input, I have checked (only) "Emulate
three button mouse".  Under Pasteboard, I have everything checked.
Then option-click is the middle button (for pasting) and command-click
is the right button (for specifying the end region for copying).  And
if you highlight text in an xterm, you can then paste it with the
usual Command-V in other Mac apps (or with option-click in xterm).

> Are there any good VTxxx or other fonts available?

I like courier.  This is a nice size for my eyes.

  -adobe-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-1

I also use Focus Follows Mouse under Windows in XQuartz preferences.

Martin

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#87303

On 01-13-2016 14:47, Michael Moroney wrote:
> I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and
> Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable.  I will have several windows
> which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx
> terminals.

I'm not sure how good is the VT emulation of Terminal which can handle 
SSH with no problem and has a border by default.

In the preferences, you can select emulation of vt52, vt100, vt102, and 
several xterm types.

It has several options for the title bar, but I don't think it has 
exactly the one you want.

Its clipboard is the system-wide clipboard (but X11 has ways to get to 
that).

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