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| Started by | "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2017-03-08 08:44 +0000 |
| Last post | 2017-03-12 23:19 -0400 |
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Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-08 08:44 +0000
Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-08 10:20 +0100
Re: Mac Malware Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-08 10:38 +0100
Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-08 09:39 +0000
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:33 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-08 15:07 +0000
Re: Mac Malware michaelunowho@gmail.com - 2017-03-09 14:34 -0800
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-09 18:22 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-09 23:27 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-10 03:23 -0500
Re: Mac Malware android <here@there.was> - 2017-03-10 09:43 +0100
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-11 06:16 -0500
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-13 07:26 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:24 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-08 11:17 -0500
Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-09 07:43 +1100
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:39 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-10 18:55 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Fred Moore <fmoore@gfcn.huh> - 2017-03-09 14:25 -0500
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:31 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 11:44 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 16:45 +0000
Knock-knock (Was: Re: Mac Malware) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:10 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:28 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:32 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:53 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 11:22 -0700
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 13:45 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:27 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 13:41 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 20:05 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 19:39 -0500
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-12 16:44 -0400
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 16:55 -0400
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:22 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:42 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:36 -0400
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:04 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:46 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:45 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:09 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:48 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:25 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:26 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-13 14:06 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-13 14:45 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:38 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:47 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-15 10:18 -0700
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 13:21 -0400
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:13 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:07 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 17:25 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-16 06:11 -0400
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-17 07:14 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:49 +0000
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:22 +0000
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-13 15:35 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:40 -0400
Re: Mac Malware YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2017-04-03 12:19 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:14 -0700
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 16:53 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 09:04 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 16:26 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:24 -0700
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 12:54 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 17:01 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-11 17:21 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-11 23:23 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-12 04:23 -0600
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-10 19:25 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Ken Springer <wordworks@greeleynet.com> - 2017-03-10 14:04 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-10 23:24 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-11 13:35 +1100
Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-10 19:07 -0800
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-10 22:11 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 08:14 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:27 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Tim McNamara <timmcn@bitstream.net> - 2017-03-11 12:13 -0600
Re: Mac Malware Don Bruder <Don@sonic.net> - 2017-03-11 18:16 -0800
Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-13 09:42 +0100
Re: Mac Malware Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-11 11:38 -0500
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 11:03 +0000
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-11 11:46 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-11 13:55 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-11 14:17 +0000
Re: Mac Malware "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-12 08:51 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-11 17:58 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-03-11 18:10 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-12 14:36 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-12 11:34 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary <droleary@2015usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-13 22:46 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2017-03-16 13:27 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Doc O'Leary <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2017-03-16 19:46 +0000
Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-11 23:14 -0500
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-11 23:31 -0500
Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:18 -0400
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-12 23:20 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 14:16 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-14 09:48 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-15 01:21 +1300
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 15:19 +0000
Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:01 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-14 22:13 +0000
Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:35 -0700
Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-14 15:45 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:16 +0000
Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:55 -0700
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 00:14 +0000
Re: Mac Malware gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-03-15 10:54 -0700
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-15 03:43 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 16:14 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 16:34 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-12 20:33 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-12 22:26 +0000
Re: Mac Malware FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2017-03-13 07:31 -0400
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-15 08:31 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-15 09:59 -0400
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-15 15:00 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 08:59 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 14:16 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-16 22:08 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-16 18:48 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:33 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-17 13:56 +1300
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 16:01 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-18 10:17 +1300
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 21:53 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:46 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-19 10:48 +1300
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:23 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-18 11:17 -0400
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:44 +0000
Re: Mac Malware befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-20 11:02 +0100
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 04:01 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 15:30 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-18 14:10 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-18 14:56 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-19 16:43 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-19 16:57 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-17 03:59 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-21 18:57 +0000
Re: Mac Malware nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-21 15:06 -0400
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-21 20:42 +0000
Re: Mac Malware dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-23 07:51 +0000
Re: Mac Malware Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-23 05:09 +0000
Re: Mac Malware John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2017-03-12 23:19 -0400
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <160320171055372482%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #102409 |
In article <oadnpa$t81$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We didn't even KNOW somebody had installed the Wacom software. I have > >> to assume it was done on an off-shift by someone who was using his > >> tablet on his own time. > > > > why did an off-shift employee have admin access, which gave him the > > ability to install stuff? > > Because we're a 24 hour operation, and nobody wants to come back at 4 > in the morning to input a password to connect to a remote server. admin access is not required for that.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 15:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eit5s2FmbfU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102350 |
On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-13 14:42:08 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > >> So it wasn't that "so much crap" had been left behind by numerous apps; >> it's that one piece of software for Wacom tablet drivers wasn't >> completely removed. I get the attraction to utilities that go looking >> for cruft to remove; but the fact is this problem you encountered is >> easily avoided by following the removal instructions recommended by the >> manufacturer of said software. If you always use the recommended removal >> procedure, you won't have this issue. I'm living proof of this, BTW. : ) > > Well, one piece for sure. We cleaned out everything because we're in > the business of printing, and not in the business of playing with > computers. There's really nothing to "play with" when you use the removal method recommended by the software maker. > We didn't even KNOW somebody had installed the Wacom software. I have > to assume it was done on an off-shift by someone who was using his > tablet on his own time. Wacom software installs drivers that require administrative access to install. Do you let just anyone have administrator access to your Macs? That seems like a *really* bad idea. Why not use the Guest account feature built into macOS to let strangers have access in a more secure fashion? > In work, our Macs are just tools... To *most* people, computers are just tools. > One of them still runs Snow Leopard, for fuck's sake! We even have an > old blue and white G3 that runs OS9 in "classic" mode - just so we can > run an old version of Fontographer. That's not uncommon. I have two Mac minis running Snow Leopard in my house. > And before you ask, we only use it to make the .afm files our old > Packaging software requires. My supervisor isn't going to authorize > spending another $400.00 just to make an .afm file a couple of times a > year. I strictly control what my old Snow Leopard machines do, and I don't open any services on them to internet traffic due to the many security holes they have that have since been patched in later operating system versions. Anyway it sounds like your supervisor should invest just a little time in securing your Macs so that unauthorized strangers can't install stuff on them which requires administrative access. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 06:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oado3v$ubg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102365 |
On 2017-03-15 15:45:06 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-13 14:42:08 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> >>> So it wasn't that "so much crap" had been left behind by numerous apps; >>> it's that one piece of software for Wacom tablet drivers wasn't >>> completely removed. I get the attraction to utilities that go looking >>> for cruft to remove; but the fact is this problem you encountered is >>> easily avoided by following the removal instructions recommended by the >>> manufacturer of said software. If you always use the recommended removal >>> procedure, you won't have this issue. I'm living proof of this, BTW. : ) >> >> Well, one piece for sure. We cleaned out everything because we're in >> the business of printing, and not in the business of playing with >> computers. > > There's really nothing to "play with" when you use the removal method > recommended by the software maker. > >> We didn't even KNOW somebody had installed the Wacom software. I have >> to assume it was done on an off-shift by someone who was using his >> tablet on his own time. > > Wacom software installs drivers that require administrative access to > install. Do you let just anyone have administrator access to your Macs? > That seems like a *really* bad idea. Why not use the Guest account > feature built into macOS to let strangers have access in a more secure > fashion? > >> In work, our Macs are just tools... > > To *most* people, computers are just tools. > >> One of them still runs Snow Leopard, for fuck's sake! We even have an >> old blue and white G3 that runs OS9 in "classic" mode - just so we can >> run an old version of Fontographer. > > That's not uncommon. I have two Mac minis running Snow Leopard in my > house. > >> And before you ask, we only use it to make the .afm files our old >> Packaging software requires. My supervisor isn't going to authorize >> spending another $400.00 just to make an .afm file a couple of times a >> year. > > I strictly control what my old Snow Leopard machines do, and I don't > open any services on them to internet traffic due to the many security > holes they have that have since been patched in later operating system > versions. > > Anyway it sounds like your supervisor should invest just a little time > in securing your Macs so that unauthorized strangers can't install stuff > on them which requires administrative access. Do *I* let just anybody have access to *my* Macs? I don't administer the Macs... otherwise we wouldn't have these problems. Somebody installed MacKeeper once... That took a day or two to eradicate. You try explaining to an Offset Manager why we should restrict the Macs to certain people... I certainly haven't had any luck. We're a commercial print shop... most people who use the machines are just using them as tools. They're not computer people, they're packaging people. -- White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17 "How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 14:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eivmudFg1jqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102410 |
On 2017-03-16, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't administer the Macs... otherwise we wouldn't have these problems. > Somebody installed MacKeeper once... That took a day or two to eradicate. And they apparently didn't learn from that experience. Goofy. > You try explaining to an Offset Manager why we should restrict the Macs > to certain people... I certainly haven't had any luck. There's no need to restrict them to certain people. All employees can have standard (non-admin) accounts that wouldn't allow them to install stuff and make system changes, but only a select few should have *administrative* access. > We're a commercial print shop... most people who use the machines are > just using them as tools. They're not computer people, they're > packaging people. And that's *precisely* why they should not have administrative access. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <160320171055382523%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #102410 |
In article <oado3v$ubg$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Anyway it sounds like your supervisor should invest just a little time > > in securing your Macs so that unauthorized strangers can't install stuff > > on them which requires administrative access. > > Do *I* let just anybody have access to *my* Macs? > > I don't administer the Macs... otherwise we wouldn't have these problems. > Somebody installed MacKeeper once... That took a day or two to eradicate. you definitely have a problem in that shop. > You try explaining to an Offset Manager why we should restrict the Macs > to certain people... I certainly haven't had any luck. the fact that people can install malware that takes a day or two to fix isn't enough? > We're a commercial print shop... most people who use the machines are > just using them as tools. They're not computer people, they're > packaging people. those who are not computer people should *not* have admin access.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-13 11:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130320171150395730%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #102256 |
In article <oa5v87$q9k$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I use AppDelete. Drop an application onto the icon, and it displays > >> all the files associated with that application. > >> You can then deal with them as you like, within the app... > >> > >> It isn't free... but that wasn't the chief concern. Identifying all the > >> detritus that's left behind when deleting an app was. > > > > none of it has any ill effect. > > Clutter is an ill effect. it's nothing you'd see, so no. > On our work Mac, there was so much crap left behind we started having > problems with slow downs and problems with restarts. whatever supposed slow downs and restart problems you might have had were *not* due to not deleting plist files from apps. > Turning on verbose mode showed us that there were some files leftover > from an old Wacom tablet that kept hanging up the restart. wacom installs a driver for it's tablet. with very rare exception, apps do not do that. wacom has its own uninstaller, which is the correct way to uninstall the wacom driver, not by using some third party app that guesses as to what might be relevant. > We cleaned out the old crap, and the restart problem went away. I > couldn't swear that was the problem with the slowdowns, but that seemed > better, too. that old crap was the wacom driver, which should not have mattered even if you didn't have an attached tablet.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-12 22:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eim07dFi9coU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102231 |
On 2017-03-12, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-11 20:05:11 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> On 2017-03-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>> >>> I recall trying to remove Norton from a PC. The removal "app" didn't do >>> it so I received detailed instructions for regedit. Took about 4 hours >>> going through hundreds of reg keys and pruning. >> >> Good, old Microsoft. Just can't bring themselves to get rid of the >> monstrosity that is the registry. Meanwhile, their customers suffer, >> year after year. I'll take Apple's common-sense methods of keeping track >> of application preferences and states over that *any* day. : ) >> >>> Never again will I even look at a Norton product. >> >> Lots of Windows stuff is deprecated in my home. : ) > > I use AppDelete. We're talking about *Windows* here. There's little need to delete preference files after deleting a *Mac* application, since they are relatively small and innocuous. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-13 07:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oa5vfb$r2a$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102235 |
On 2017-03-12 22:25:49 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > On 2017-03-12, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-11 20:05:11 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >>> On 2017-03-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>> >>>> I recall trying to remove Norton from a PC. The removal "app" didn't do >>>> it so I received detailed instructions for regedit. Took about 4 hours >>>> going through hundreds of reg keys and pruning. >>> >>> Good, old Microsoft. Just can't bring themselves to get rid of the >>> monstrosity that is the registry. Meanwhile, their customers suffer, >>> year after year. I'll take Apple's common-sense methods of keeping track >>> of application preferences and states over that *any* day. : ) >>> >>>> Never again will I even look at a Norton product. >>> >>> Lots of Windows stuff is deprecated in my home. : ) >> >> I use AppDelete. > > We're talking about *Windows* here. There's little need to delete > preference files after deleting a *Mac* application, since they are > relatively small and innocuous. Yeah... Windows is another animal. I wouldn't even guess what happens there. Re: Macs. It isn't pref files that appeared to be a problem. It was the Application Support files and the daemons the app installs that add up. AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes with what. -- White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17 "How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-13 14:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnocda0n.1dj1.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #102257 |
In message <oa5vfb$r2a$1@dont-email.me> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-12 22:25:49 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> On 2017-03-12, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2017-03-11 20:05:11 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >>>> On 2017-03-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I recall trying to remove Norton from a PC. The removal "app" didn't do >>>>> it so I received detailed instructions for regedit. Took about 4 hours >>>>> going through hundreds of reg keys and pruning. >>>> >>>> Good, old Microsoft. Just can't bring themselves to get rid of the >>>> monstrosity that is the registry. Meanwhile, their customers suffer, >>>> year after year. I'll take Apple's common-sense methods of keeping track >>>> of application preferences and states over that *any* day. : ) >>>> >>>>> Never again will I even look at a Norton product. >>>> >>>> Lots of Windows stuff is deprecated in my home. : ) >>> >>> I use AppDelete. >> >> We're talking about *Windows* here. There's little need to delete >> preference files after deleting a *Mac* application, since they are >> relatively small and innocuous. > Yeah... Windows is another animal. I wouldn't even guess what happens there. > Re: Macs. It isn't pref files that appeared to be a problem. It was > the Application Support files and the daemons the app installs that add > up. Add up to what? -- I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-13 14:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <einpjlFsr4fU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102257 |
On 2017-03-13, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-12 22:25:49 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > >> On 2017-03-12, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 2017-03-11 20:05:11 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >>>> On 2017-03-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I recall trying to remove Norton from a PC. The removal "app" didn't do >>>>> it so I received detailed instructions for regedit. Took about 4 hours >>>>> going through hundreds of reg keys and pruning. >>>> >>>> Good, old Microsoft. Just can't bring themselves to get rid of the >>>> monstrosity that is the registry. Meanwhile, their customers suffer, >>>> year after year. I'll take Apple's common-sense methods of keeping track >>>> of application preferences and states over that *any* day. : ) >>>> >>>>> Never again will I even look at a Norton product. >>>> >>>> Lots of Windows stuff is deprecated in my home. : ) >>> >>> I use AppDelete. >> >> We're talking about *Windows* here. There's little need to delete >> preference files after deleting a *Mac* application, since they are >> relatively small and innocuous. > > Yeah... Windows is another animal. I wouldn't even guess what happens there. > > Re: Macs. It isn't pref files that appeared to be a problem. It was > the Application Support files and the daemons the app installs that add > up. The startup daemon for that Wacom tablet driver was likely the sole issue since in general stuff that is in Application Support isn't actively running. And you are right: left over preferences files aren't a problem. > AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated > files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes > with what. Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to mind the store. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 03:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oaaqrv$5m2$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102263 |
On 2017-03-13 14:45:09 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > On 2017-03-13, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-12 22:25:49 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> >>> On 2017-03-12, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2017-03-11 20:05:11 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >>>>> On 2017-03-11, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I recall trying to remove Norton from a PC. The removal "app" didn't do >>>>>> it so I received detailed instructions for regedit. Took about 4 hours >>>>>> going through hundreds of reg keys and pruning. >>>>> >>>>> Good, old Microsoft. Just can't bring themselves to get rid of the >>>>> monstrosity that is the registry. Meanwhile, their customers suffer, >>>>> year after year. I'll take Apple's common-sense methods of keeping track >>>>> of application preferences and states over that *any* day. : ) >>>>> >>>>>> Never again will I even look at a Norton product. >>>>> >>>>> Lots of Windows stuff is deprecated in my home. : ) >>>> >>>> I use AppDelete. >>> >>> We're talking about *Windows* here. There's little need to delete >>> preference files after deleting a *Mac* application, since they are >>> relatively small and innocuous. >> >> Yeah... Windows is another animal. I wouldn't even guess what happens there. >> >> Re: Macs. It isn't pref files that appeared to be a problem. It was >> the Application Support files and the daemons the app installs that add >> up. > > The startup daemon for that Wacom tablet driver was likely the sole > issue since in general stuff that is in Application Support isn't > actively running. And you are right: left over preferences files aren't > a problem. > >> AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated >> files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes >> with what. > > Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker > avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to > mind the store. Yeah... about that. You have to know it's installed first. We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be installed on the sly. -- White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17 "How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 15:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eit60bFmbfU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102351 |
On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-13 14:45:09 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > >>> AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated >>> files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes >>> with what. >> >> Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker >> avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to >> mind the store. > > Yeah... about that. You have to know it's installed first. > > We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be > installed on the sly. That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to have administrative access to those computers. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 10:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <2017031510184269940-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom> |
| In reply to | #102366 |
On 2017-03-15 15:47:23 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-13 14:45:09 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> >>>> AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated >>>> files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes >>>> with what. >>> >>> Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker >>> avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to >>> mind the store. >> >> Yeah... about that. You have to know it's installed first. >> >> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be >> installed on the sly. > > That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to > have administrative access to those computers. What is confusing me is, why the Wacom driver should be an issue at all. I have been using Wacom tablets for years including the one I am currently using without issue. Along with the Wacom driver there is the Wacom Control Panel installed with the OS System Preferences and Admin privileges are required to make that installation. Most importantly it isn't behaving like malware, it functions as advertised. -- Regards, Savageduck
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-15 13:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <150320171321484768%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #102381 |
In article <2017031510184269940-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be
> >> installed on the sly.
> >
> > That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to
> > have administrative access to those computers.
>
> What is confusing me is, why the Wacom driver should be an issue at
> all. I have been using Wacom tablets for years including the one I am
> currently using without issue. Along with the Wacom driver there is the
> Wacom Control Panel installed with the OS System Preferences and Admin
> privileges are required to make that installation. Most importantly it
> isn't behaving like malware, it functions as advertised.
the wacom driver shouldn't be a problem at all, whether or not there's
an attached tablet.
the real problem is that an unauthorized person had admin access and
could have installed *other* stuff...
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-16 06:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oadoa9$v0e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102383 |
On 2017-03-15 17:21:48 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
> In article <2017031510184269940-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be
>>>> installed on the sly.
>>>
>>> That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to
>>> have administrative access to those computers.
>>
>> What is confusing me is, why the Wacom driver should be an issue at
>> all. I have been using Wacom tablets for years including the one I am
>> currently using without issue. Along with the Wacom driver there is the
>> Wacom Control Panel installed with the OS System Preferences and Admin
>> privileges are required to make that installation. Most importantly it
>> isn't behaving like malware, it functions as advertised.
>
> the wacom driver shouldn't be a problem at all, whether or not there's
> an attached tablet.
>
> the real problem is that an unauthorized person had admin access and
> could have installed *other* stuff...
Personally, I created my own user account, and I keep my stuff separate
from the main account.
--
White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17
"How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to
put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-17 04:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnocmoe6.1ogp.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #102412 |
In message <oadoa9$v0e$1@dont-email.me> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-15 17:21:48 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said:
>> In article <2017031510184269940-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>,
>> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be
>>>>> installed on the sly.
>>>>
>>>> That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to
>>>> have administrative access to those computers.
>>>
>>> What is confusing me is, why the Wacom driver should be an issue at
>>> all. I have been using Wacom tablets for years including the one I am
>>> currently using without issue. Along with the Wacom driver there is the
>>> Wacom Control Panel installed with the OS System Preferences and Admin
>>> privileges are required to make that installation. Most importantly it
>>> isn't behaving like malware, it functions as advertised.
>>
>> the wacom driver shouldn't be a problem at all, whether or not there's
>> an attached tablet.
>>
>> the real problem is that an unauthorized person had admin access and
>> could have installed *other* stuff...
> Personally, I created my own user account, and I keep my stuff separate
> from the main account.
that doesn't matter if other people have admin access to the machine.
Whoever is in charge at that shop is going to be in for a rude and
expensive shock one day.
--
Ah, you're a Penguin too? Pilgrim, my son. Pilgrim. Yes, of the Hare
Krishnas. Hairy Fishnuts.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-15 17:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eitbnjF20a3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #102381 |
On 2017-03-15, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
> On 2017-03-15 15:47:23 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>
>> On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2017-03-13 14:45:09 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>>>
>>>>> AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated
>>>>> files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes
>>>>> with what.
>>>>
>>>> Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker
>>>> avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to
>>>> mind the store.
>>>
>>> Yeah... about that. You have to know it's installed first.
>>>
>>> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be
>>> installed on the sly.
>>
>> That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to
>> have administrative access to those computers.
>
> What is confusing me is, why the Wacom driver should be an issue at
> all.
I could certainly see how any piece of software might malfunction if
only part of the software was removed from the system.
--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.
JR
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-16 06:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oado6c$ubg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102366 |
On 2017-03-15 15:47:23 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: > On 2017-03-15, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 2017-03-13 14:45:09 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said: >> >>>> AppDelete is a quick drag 'n' drop method to get rid of associated >>>> files. No need to hunt them down manually and figure out what goes >>>> with what. >>> >>> Meh. Using the removal procedure recommended by the software maker >>> avoids such issues without needed an additional piece of software to >>> mind the store. >> >> Yeah... about that. You have to know it's installed first. >> >> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be >> installed on the sly. > > That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to > have administrative access to those computers. Yeah, well, if they were MINE, it wouldn't be happening... but I'm not there 24 hours a day. -- White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17 "How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-16 10:55 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <160320171055382560%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #102411 |
In article <oado6c$ubg$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be > >> installed on the sly. > > > > That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to > > have administrative access to those computers. > > Yeah, well, if they were MINE, it wouldn't be happening... but I'm not > there 24 hours a day. no need to be there 24 hours a day.
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2017-03-17 07:14 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <oagg8p$ifg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #102419 |
On 2017-03-16 14:55:38 +0000, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> said: > In article <oado6c$ubg$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> >>>> We don't even have a Wacom tablet in the shop... so it had to be >>>> installed on the sly. >>> >>> That means your real problem is that you are allowing just anyone to >>> have administrative access to those computers. >> >> Yeah, well, if they were MINE, it wouldn't be happening... but I'm not >> there 24 hours a day. > > no need to be there 24 hours a day. What? How would I know what happens in the 16 hours I'm not there, then? Fact of the matter is we run 3 shifts... and anything can happen on a single shift that nobody on the other two shifts will know about. Not to mention that the machines need to be left on, and running in order to make changes on press. They can't be secured from other departments because they need to run the equipment the computers control. At almost a thousand dollars an hour press time, the machine that burns our printing plates has to be accessible 24/7. -- White House: "Don't call it Trumpcare." 3-8-17 "How bad does something have to be, that Donald Trump doesn't want to put his name on it?" -SNL 3-11-17
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