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| Started by | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| First post | 2017-02-28 04:26 -0500 |
| Last post | 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 200 — 20 participants |
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What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 04:26 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 04:31 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 03:24 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? ANTant@zimage.com (Ant) - 2017-02-28 04:29 -0600
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-02-28 10:37 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:39 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 05:36 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:10 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 20:01 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 04:55 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-03-01 13:55 +0100
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 09:15 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-03-01 15:05 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:29 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 13:38 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:31 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-01 18:58 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:56 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:54 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 13:53 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 19:14 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:30 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 21:38 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 12:49 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 19:28 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:45 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:50 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:46 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:26 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:25 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:52 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:30 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:38 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:20 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2017-03-02 20:42 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:46 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:05 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:48 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 21:13 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 03:49 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 08:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:11 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:10 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 11:47 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 17:16 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:05 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:54 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 14:23 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:50 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:53 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:44 -0800
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:48 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:42 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:09 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 00:57 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 16:03 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-01 16:57 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:04 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 15:52 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 08:17 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 14:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:30 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 17:31 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:49 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:54 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:04 +0000
Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 18:57 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 14:24 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 14:46 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:09 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:33 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:01 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:19 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2017-03-03 04:46 -0800
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 15:02 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 17:15 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 21:47 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:33 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:17 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 20:27 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:56 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:30 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 03:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-03 04:10 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-03 17:03 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 16:03 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:36 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:35 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 14:55 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:36 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:46 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 23:52 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 13:13 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-03 00:45 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 19:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-01 15:01 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 15:02 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 20:41 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:48 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 00:50 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 19:55 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 13:59 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:18 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:17 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:36 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 20:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:58 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 00:35 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:41 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 22:51 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:25 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-01 23:43 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:00 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 19:57 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 18:48 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 01:11 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 00:56 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 14:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 16:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 12:30 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-02 18:20 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 13:33 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 13:58 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-02 19:18 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-03-03 08:03 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:27 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 18:23 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-03 18:29 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 13:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 15:50 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-03-01 21:00 -0800
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2017-03-02 20:00 +1100
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 00:38 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 21:47 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 13:19 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 20:39 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 15:22 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 22:08 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 07:40 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-03 13:21 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-03-03 21:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-04 01:27 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-02 04:28 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-02 23:29 +1300
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-02 19:06 +0000
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-02 14:26 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-03-02 16:54 -0500
Re: Leaving Snow Leopard dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 17:13 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-02 01:20 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:19 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-02-28 10:08 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 13:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-02-28 11:21 -0700
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-02-28 14:06 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-02-28 10:40 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-02-28 09:24 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-02-28 15:51 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-02-28 18:51 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-02-28 17:24 -0800
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-01 05:02 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-01 18:36 +0000
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-03-01 07:52 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-03-01 11:00 -0500
Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault? Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> - 2017-02-28 19:31 -0500
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 15:01 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <58b72881$0$61855$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101568 |
On 2017-03-01 14:43, Jolly Roger wrote: > Leopard running on a couple machines here out of necessity (old machines > that can't run anything newer); but I am well aware of the security > implications and other trade offs, As an aside: most of the security holes are generally for new features. So older OS are often more secure (if they were patched for the functions they provided). In other words, a Snow Leopard with 4 years worth of security updates is likely more secure than brand spanking new Sierra fresh out of the lap with new untested features. Where older OS fail is that often evolving protocols provide new security function/encryption which would not be available under the older OS. Those improve pricacy, not security per say. (aka: difference between gaining illegal access to a machine/visus/trojan and being able to intercept traffic because of use of older protocols.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 15:02 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <010320171502059747%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101571 |
In article <58b72881$0$61855$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > Leopard running on a couple machines here out of necessity (old machines > > that can't run anything newer); but I am well aware of the security > > implications and other trade offs, > > As an aside: most of the security holes are generally for new features. > So older OS are often more secure (if they were patched for the > functions they provided). no > In other words, a Snow Leopard with 4 years worth of security updates is > likely more secure than brand spanking new Sierra fresh out of the lap > with new untested features. no > Where older OS fail is that often evolving protocols provide new > security function/encryption which would not be available under the > older OS. Those improve pricacy, not security per say. (aka: difference > between gaining illegal access to a machine/visus/trojan and being able > to intercept traffic because of use of older protocols. no
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 20:41 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <ehoq07FnnoaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101571 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-01 14:43, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Leopard running on a couple machines here out of necessity (old machines >> that can't run anything newer); but I am well aware of the security >> implications and other trade offs, > > As an aside: most of the security holes are generally for new features. > So older OS are often more secure (if they were patched for the > functions they provided). > > In other words, a Snow Leopard with 4 years worth of security updates is > likely more secure than brand spanking new Sierra fresh out of the lap > with new untested features. Nope. Snow Leopard runs insecure browsers, apps, and services that have been patched in later systems. And the longer an exploit is out in the wild, the more likely you are to be hit with it as automated attach tools propagate the attack to exploit the unpatched holes. Also you are ignoring the very real and impactful security *additions* in recent operating system releases as if they hold no value. That's just absurd. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 01:07 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <slrnobes6u.2nlo.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101571 |
In message <58b72881$0$61855$c3e8da3$e074e489@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-01 14:43, Jolly Roger wrote: >> Leopard running on a couple machines here out of necessity (old machines >> that can't run anything newer); but I am well aware of the security >> implications and other trade offs, > As an aside: most of the security holes are generally for new features. No, that's not at all true. > So older OS are often more secure (if they were patched for the > functions they provided). No, that's not at all true. > In other words, a Snow Leopard with 4 years worth of security updates is > likely more secure than brand spanking new Sierra fresh out of the lap > with new untested features. No, that is just a baldfaced lie. > Where older OS fail is that often evolving protocols provide new > security function/encryption which would not be available under the > older OS. Those improve pricacy, not security per say. (aka: difference > between gaining illegal access to a machine/visus/trojan and being able > to intercept traffic because of use of older protocols. Where older OS fail is where they have multiple known attack vectors that will never be patched. -- Ah we're lonely, we're romantic / and the cider's laced with acid / and the Holy Spirit's crying, Where's the beef? / And the moon is swimming naked / and the summer night is fragrant / with a mighty expectation of relief
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 00:48 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101599 |
BTW moving from Snow Leopard to Yosemite as an upgrade did a very good job at preserving my system's personality, tweaked settings, enabled services, disabled services etc. I am under the impression that migration assistant tends to focus on apps and user files and settings, not on system settings. Another caveat which may or may not affect you: beyond Yosemite is SIP, and the installation will zap files from certain unix directories and place them into a "these files were in adirectories you are no lonegr allowed to touch" folder. (can't remember exact name). So if you use OS-X at Unix level, you may have number of add-ons that were placed in directories where Apple no longer allows them to be there. If the interim upgrade is Lion, this won't happen, but if it is El Capitan, it will happen. Also, starting with Yosemite, kernel extensions are checked at boot and disabled if the OS isn't happy with them. With SIP, the installer will kick out any unapproved kernel extension into that folder above. You may not have any such problems, but good to know in case you scratch you head because of problems.
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 00:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <020320170050451170%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #101613 |
In article <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > BTW moving from Snow Leopard to Yosemite as an upgrade did a very good > job at preserving my system's personality, tweaked settings, enabled > services, disabled services etc. apparently it didn't do anything about your personality :)
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| From | dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 19:55 +1100 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <do_ray_me-01D231.19552102032017@46.sub-75-242-165.myvzw.com> |
| In reply to | #101614 |
In article <020320170050451170%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com>, JF > Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > > BTW moving from Snow Leopard to Yosemite as an upgrade did a very good > > job at preserving my system's personality, tweaked settings, enabled > > services, disabled services etc. > > apparently it didn't do anything about your personality :) Or yours. -- dorayme
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 13:59 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <slrnobg9df.au9.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101613 |
In message <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > I am under the impression that migration assistant tends to focus on > apps and user files and settings, not on system settings. I can see why you would be. It's not like one of the top-level catagories in Migration Assistant is "Settings" or anything. Oh, wait. Really, read sometime. > Another caveat which may or may not affect you: beyond Yosemite is SIP, > and the installation will zap files from certain unix directories and > place them into a "these files were in adirectories you are no lonegr > allowed to touch" folder. (can't remember exact name). Perhaps "These files were in directories you should never ever have accessed"? /usr/local/ exists for a reason. > So if you use OS-X at Unix level, And you are a know-nothing fool > you may have number of add-ons that were placed in directories where > Apple no longer allows them to be there. -- "Why, you stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking... NERFHERDER!" "Who's Scruffy looking?"
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 16:18 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <ehquu4F60atU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101627 |
On 2017-03-02, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >> I am under the impression that migration assistant tends to focus on >> apps and user files and settings, not on system settings. > > I can see why you would be. It's not like one of the top-level > catagories in Migration Assistant is "Settings" or anything. > > Oh, wait. > > Really, read sometime. I had the exact same reaction. Of *course* Migration Assistant migrates system settings. Duh. Honestly, I don't know why the guy bothers to open his mouth. >> Another caveat which may or may not affect you: beyond Yosemite is SIP, >> and the installation will zap files from certain unix directories and >> place them into a "these files were in adirectories you are no lonegr >> allowed to touch" folder. (can't remember exact name). > > Perhaps "These files were in directories you should never ever have > accessed"? > > /usr/local/ exists for a reason. Anyone who has been around *nix for more than a year knows full well the standard location for user-level command-line software installs is /usr/local as a best practice. But JF Mezei doesn't *want* to use /usr/local, you see! He wants to install stuff into protected system directories intermingled with system binaries and libraries, because potentially compromising your system is a right all admins have, yo - best practices and standards be damned! And of course he assumes the rest of us feel the same way. : D Nope. Most command-line *nix software already installs into /usr/local by *default*. You have to go out of your way to install elsewhere, as JF Mezei has clearly done. Bottom line: Install into /usr/local and SIP won't be a problem. Very simple. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 18:17 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <slrnobgohj.pld.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101635 |
In message <ehquu4F60atU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2017-03-02, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <58b7b21c$0$41968$c3e8da3$3a1a2348@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: >>> I am under the impression that migration assistant tends to focus on >>> apps and user files and settings, not on system settings. >> >> I can see why you would be. It's not like one of the top-level >> catagories in Migration Assistant is "Settings" or anything. >> >> Oh, wait. >> >> Really, read sometime. > I had the exact same reaction. Of *course* Migration Assistant migrates > system settings. Duh. Honestly, I don't know why the guy bothers to open > his mouth. >>> Another caveat which may or may not affect you: beyond Yosemite is SIP, >>> and the installation will zap files from certain unix directories and >>> place them into a "these files were in adirectories you are no lonegr >>> allowed to touch" folder. (can't remember exact name). >> >> Perhaps "These files were in directories you should never ever have >> accessed"? >> >> /usr/local/ exists for a reason. > Anyone who has been around *nix for more than a year knows full well the > standard location for user-level command-line software installs is > /usr/local as a best practice. But JF Mezei doesn't *want* to use > /usr/local, you see! He wants to install stuff into protected system > directories intermingled with system binaries and libraries, because > potentially compromising your system is a right all admins have, yo - > best practices and standards be damned! And of course he assumes the > rest of us feel the same way. : D Nope. > Most command-line *nix software already installs into /usr/local by > *default*. You have to go out of your way to install elsewhere, as JF > Mezei has clearly done. the only UNIX util that I've installed OUTSIDE of /usr/local/ since 1987 was postfix, for many years, but since Postfix 3.x, even it lives in /usr/local/ (Not on OS X, I use headless FreeBSD for servers) Hm... Apache 1.x might have lived in /etc/ also, but it moight have simply been ln -s /usr/local/etc/httpd /etc/ > Bottom line: Install into /usr/local and SIP won't be a problem. Very > simple. Yep. -- "He is a self-made man and worships his creator." - John Bright
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 13:36 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <58b86634$0$55579$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101635 |
On 2017-03-02 11:18, Jolly Roger wrote: > I had the exact same reaction. Of *course* Migration Assistant migrates > system settings. Duh. Honestly, I don't know why the guy bothers to open > his mouth. The only time I used it was on a "user" basis. It is not clear to mw how it works for the "system" level stuff. Would it find and copty any unix utilities you addded ? customized .plists in the launch daemons ? other directories that are not part of a user account ? And in the case of Snow Leopard to El Capitan, how would migration assistant deal with SIP? Say you have unix software in the now forbidden directories. Will migration assistant copy them to the special "we found these in invalid directories" folder on the new machine or just not do anything ? An upgrade does that. > Anyone who has been around *nix for more than a year knows full well the > standard location for user-level command-line software installs is > /usr/local as a best practice. Yet, over the years, much software was installed in different locations, including the now banned locations. Software that is still alive has usually be restructure to live in the proper directories, but older "dead" software hasn't. *I* didn't place the software in directories that are now banned, software installations/make files did. And that is one of MY problems is that I have to figure out what software needs updating because the version I have has file in those directories. My server remains at Snow Leopard, and I know that one wouldnt exist under SIP since I have updated middleware (PHP, MYSQL etc) including man pages.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 20:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <ehreevF8k2kU5@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101656 |
On 2017-03-02, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-02 11:18, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> I had the exact same reaction. Of *course* Migration Assistant >> migrates system settings. Duh. Honestly, I don't know why the guy >> bothers to open his mouth. > > The only time I used it was on a "user" basis. It migrated your system settings (network settings, for instance). > It is not clear to mw how it works for the "system" level stuff. You said: "I am under the impression that migration assistant tends to focus on apps and user files and settings, not on system settings." And that's what I responded to. System settings (network, etc) aren't installed applications and software. Two different things. > Would it find and copty any unix utilities you addded ? customized > .plists in the launch daemons ? other directories that are not part of > a user account ? If you tell it to migrate "other files and folders" when prompted, sure. > And in the case of Snow Leopard to El Capitan, how would migration > assistant deal with SIP? If you expect Migration Assistant to bypass SIP just so your old, crufty, outdated *nix software can continue to run in protected system directories, you're setting yourself up for failure. > Say you have unix software in the now forbidden directories. Will > migration assistant copy them to the special "we found these in > invalid directories" folder on the new machine or just not do > anything? > > An upgrade does that. Since I don't install stuff anywhere bu /usr/local which is a long-standing best practice, I don't care enough to bother looking. That said I'd expect it to do what upgrading does, since both are written by Apple, after all. >> Anyone who has been around *nix for more than a year knows full well >> the standard location for user-level command-line software installs >> is /usr/local as a best practice. > > Yet, over the years, much software was installed in different > locations, including the now banned locations. Not on any of the *many* Macs I've managed during the years. Any *nix software released in the past decade or two that tried to install elsewhere was *easily* customized with a simple ./configure switch to install into /usr/local instead. And, again, most recent versions of most everything default to /usr/local anyway. > Software that is still alive has usually be restructure to live in the > proper directories, but older "dead" software hasn't. I suspect you are running *really* old versions of said software. Can you name some real examples? > *I* didn't place the software in directories that are now banned, If *you* installed them you certainly did! > software installations/make files did. Most popular *nix installation destinations can easily be changed during installation. If you are using command-line software, you should learn enough about it to install it where it should live if the default location isn't satisfactory. > And that is one of MY problems is that I have to figure out what > software needs updating because the version I have has file in those > directories. Answer: Anything that is not in /usr/local - how hard is that?? > My server remains at Snow Leopard Snow Leopard is a horrible choice for a server open to the internet, for very obvious reasons. > I know that one wouldnt exist under SIP since I have updated > middleware (PHP, MYSQL etc) including man pages. Which specific *nix tools won't install into /usr/local? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 16:58 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <58b89588$0$1364$c3e8da3$1cbc7475@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101685 |
On 2017-03-02 15:43, Jolly Roger wrote: > Snow Leopard is a horrible choice for a server open to the internet, for > very obvious reasons. Not so obvious to me. It is a matter of updating internet facing software such as bind, postfix, apache etc. (and I guess I should do the ssl thing).
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-02 22:08 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <ehrjfoFaencU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #101693 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-02 15:43, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> Snow Leopard is a horrible choice for a server open to the internet, for >> very obvious reasons. > > Not so obvious to me. Not surprised. Plenty have been discussed in these groups within the last few days, but you clearly don't read. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 12:04 +1300 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard |
| Message-ID | <1n2b6ch.15k8ju11rux8gjN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #101656 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2017-03-02 11:18, Jolly Roger wrote: > > > I had the exact same reaction. Of *course* Migration Assistant migrates > > system settings. Duh. Honestly, I don't know why the guy bothers to open > > his mouth. > > The only time I used it was on a "user" basis. > > It is not clear to mw how it works for the "system" level stuff. Would > it find and copty any unix utilities you addded ? Not if they were installed in system domains like /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin, etc. They are copied if in /usr/local. > customized .plists in the launch daemons ? Customized standard system ones? No, they would get replaced with standard ones. Third-party add-ons are copied. > other directories that are not part of a user account ? Have you even run Migration Assistant and looked at it? There is an "Other Files and Folders" major category, which covers this. > And in the case of Snow Leopard to El Capitan, how would migration > assistant deal with SIP? By moving out all non-Apple stuff which is not supposed to be in those folders. Some of it gets moved to appopriate folders in /Library, such as /Library/Extensions. > Say you have unix software in the now forbidden directories. Will > migration assistant copy them to the special "we found these in invalid > directories" folder on the new machine or just not do anything ? There is an "Incompatible Software" folder which gets created at the top level. Mine got an obsolete version of Gutenprint which was probably in /usr/lib or somewhere like that before. I didn't care about it. > An upgrade does that. So does migration. > > Anyone who has been around *nix for more than a year knows full well the > > standard location for user-level command-line software installs is > > /usr/local as a best practice. > > Yet, over the years, much software was installed in different locations, > including the now banned locations. Software that is still alive has > usually be restructure to live in the proper directories, but older > "dead" software hasn't. > > *I* didn't place the software in directories that are now banned, > software installations/make files did. And that is one of MY problems is > that I have to figure out what software needs updating because the > version I have has file in those directories. As has no doubt been suggested to you already, do a trial upgrade to El Capitan on a clone and see what is missing or moved on that. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2017-03-03 00:35 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <slrnobhelh.1bq0.g.kreme@snow.local> |
| In reply to | #101656 |
In message <58b86634$0$55579$b1db1813$7968482@news.astraweb.com> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > *I* didn't place the software in directories that are now banned, Of course you did. No one else did it. > software installations/make files did. No, those are simply scripts that YOU ran. And didn't understand. > My server remains at Snow Leopard, and I know that one wouldnt exist > under SIP since I have updated middleware (PHP, MYSQL etc) including man > pages. You incompetence is not a problem with OS X, it is simply one more example of the many PEBKAC issues that dominate your life. -- Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 17:41 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DCB8350136756BB02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101557 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 13:57:20 -0500, Patty Winter wrote (in article <o975if$jc8$2@dont-email.me>): > > In article <0001HW.D4DC04D7010C6BB7B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >> [Snip] > > Again, I'm not going to haughtily criticize you for staying with > SL as some posters here have done, but you might want to seriously > consider starting to prepare for an OS upgrade. You can do your > file conversions over a long period of time so that it isn't such > an onerous prospect. Good luck! > > > Patty Patty, Thank you for your perspective. I followed your upgrade journey here a while back. I have a copy of Sierra installed on an iMac and have experimented with it. I don't like it. Sometimes I have to use it to get by a Security Certificate problem with a web site or, as you, say some new do-dad that crashes the older browsers. Usually it is advertising and tracking. Other than that, Snow Leopard is like a comfortable old shoe. I have a lot of custom Applescripts which would have to be tested and re-debugged and work-arounds created. At least that is what I have gleaned from others' experience on the Applescript listserv. For the life of me I cannot think of one application that would make the tedious effort worth it. As you know, you can't go directly from Snow Leopard to Sierra. You have to at least go through Lion. Were you able to go directly from Lion to Sierra? Did the Mail, Calendar, and Address Book data convert seamlessly? Start to finish how long did it take? -- Nelson
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 22:51 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <o97j99$du0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101582 |
In article <0001HW.D4DCB8350136756BB02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >For the life of me I cannot think of one application that would make >the tedious effort worth it. As you know, you can't go directly from >Snow Leopard to Sierra. You have to at least go through Lion. Nope, you can jump directly to El Capitan, then decide if you want to go to Sierra from there: https://support.apple.com/snowleopard >Were >you able to go directly from Lion to Sierra? Did the Mail, Calendar, >and Address Book data convert seamlessly? Start to finish how long did >it take? Haven't done it yet, but am close. I've downloaded the El Cap installer that's linked from the above page. I'm just about done cleaning up my old mail (wasn't required, but I wanted to do that), then I'll make a couple of backups as recommended by people here (Time Machine and Super Duper). I'll be using Emailalchemy or Eudora Mailbox Cleaner to convert my mail to the Apple Mail format. Calendar and Address Book should convert fine since they're Apple's own apps, but perhaps someone else here can speak to that. Patty
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| From | Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 18:25 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <0001HW.D4DCC2A20138E6E2B02919BF@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #101586 |
On Wed, 1 Mar 2017 17:51:22 -0500, Patty Winter wrote (in article <o97j99$du0$1@dont-email.me>): > > In article <0001HW.D4DCB8350136756BB02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, > Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> For the life of me I cannot think of one application that would make >> the tedious effort worth it. As you know, you can't go directly from >> Snow Leopard to Sierra. You have to at least go through Lion. > > Nope, you can jump directly to El Capitan, then decide if you want > to go to Sierra from there: > > https://support.apple.com/snowleopard > > >> Were >> you able to go directly from Lion to Sierra? Did the Mail, Calendar, >> and Address Book data convert seamlessly? Start to finish how long did >> it take? > > Haven't done it yet, but am close. I've downloaded the El Cap installer > that's linked from the above page. I'm just about done cleaning up my > old mail (wasn't required, but I wanted to do that), then I'll make a > couple of backups as recommended by people here (Time Machine and Super > Duper). Sounds like you have spent quite a bit of time on it. Let's hope there are no surprises when you get there. Is your plan to upgrade in place or to install a fresh copy of El Captain and then use Migration Assistant? I could swear I read one had to upgrade to Lion first. > > I'll be using Emailalchemy or Eudora Mailbox Cleaner to convert my mail > to the Apple Mail format. Calendar and Address Book should convert fine > since they're Apple's own apps, but perhaps someone else here can speak > to that. I went through an earlier migration where I skipped an intervening OS. I found that it screwed up those Apple apps. For example the calendar data didn't convert correctly. I found I had to go through the intermediate OS to get it to work. Maybe they have wised up to that by now. One can always hope :) -- Nelson
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2017-03-01 23:43 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Leaving Snow Leopard (was Re: What's the Verdict on FileVault?) |
| Message-ID | <o97mar$qps$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #101587 |
In article <0001HW.D4DCC2A20138E6E2B02919BF@news.astraweb.com>, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote: > >Is your plan to upgrade in place or to install a fresh copy of El >Captain and then use Migration Assistant? I'm just going to run the El Cap installer. >I could swear I read one had >to upgrade to Lion first. I don't recall the sequence of events. Someone else here will undoubtedly know whether that changed as soon as Mountain Lion was released or not until some release after that. Anyway, it isn't true now. >I went through an earlier migration where I skipped an intervening OS. >I found that it screwed up those Apple apps. For example the calendar >data didn't convert correctly. I found I had to go through the >intermediate OS to get it to work. Maybe they have wised up to that by >now. One can always hope :) I don't even use Calendar on my iMac any more because it doesn't sync with my iPhone, which is where I really need appointment information. Patty
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