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  Opening a file that's inside a package isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2017-01-12 11:28 -0800
    Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-12 19:47 +0000
      Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-12 20:43 +0000
        Re: Opening a file that's inside a package me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2017-01-14 16:45 +0000
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 17:10 +0000
            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-01-14 12:35 -0500
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 19:39 +0000
                Re: Opening a file that's inside a package shima.tetsuo@dai.tokyo.teikoku (島鉄雄) - 2017-01-22 04:56 +0000
                  Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-22 05:33 +0000
            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2017-01-14 19:27 +0000
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 19:40 +0000
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2017-01-14 20:18 +0100
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-14 19:20 +0000
            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2017-01-15 16:13 +0000
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-16 15:24 +0000
                Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-16 16:07 +0000
                  Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-16 21:59 +0000
      Re: Opening a file that's inside a package isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2017-01-12 20:29 -0800
        Re: Opening a file that's inside a package befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2017-01-13 09:50 +0100
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2017-01-13 09:24 -0800
            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 02:31 +0000
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2017-01-13 20:46 -0800
                Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 06:41 +0000
    Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 15:05 -0500
      Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-12 20:09 +0000
        Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Alrescha <alrescha@gmail.com> - 2017-01-12 15:22 -0500
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-12 20:40 +0000
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-01-12 16:35 -0500
          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-12 22:11 +0000
            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-12 22:19 +0000
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-13 03:11 +0000
                Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-13 04:09 +0000
                  Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-13 08:07 +0000
              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-01-13 18:35 -0800
                Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-14 06:41 +0000
                  Re: Opening a file that's inside a package "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-01-18 20:57 +0100
                    Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-01-18 19:58 +0000
                      Re: Opening a file that's inside a package "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-01-20 19:18 +0100
                        Re: Opening a file that's inside a package John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2017-01-21 18:13 -0800
                          Re: Opening a file that's inside a package "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-01-27 00:07 +0100
                            Re: Opening a file that's inside a package John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2017-01-29 15:50 -0800
                              Re: Opening a file that's inside a package "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2017-01-30 16:24 +0100
    Re: Opening a file that's inside a package Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-01-12 22:06 +0000

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#98561 — Opening a file that's inside a package

I know about "Show Package Contents", but what I want to do is, within 
an "Open-Save" dialog, navigate directly to a file that's inside a 
package.

How?

Isaac

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#98562

On 2017-01-12, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> I know about "Show Package Contents", but what I want to do is, within 
> an "Open-Save" dialog, navigate directly to a file that's inside a 
> package.
>
> How?

Some applications allow you to view contents of packages and invisible
files (TextWrangler's dialogs are a good example), and others don't. For
the ones that don't, there's a simple work-around solution: If you view
any folder within the package in a Finder window, you can drag items
from the Finder window into the open/save dialog box listing area to go
there.

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#98567

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2017-01-12, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
>> I know about "Show Package Contents", but what I want to do is, within 
>> an "Open-Save" dialog, navigate directly to a file that's inside a 
>> package.
>> 
>> How?
> 
> Some applications allow you to view contents of packages and invisible
> files (TextWrangler's dialogs are a good example), and others don't. For
> the ones that don't, there's a simple work-around solution: If you view
> any folder within the package in a Finder window, you can drag items
> from the Finder window into the open/save dialog box listing area to go
> there.

I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders; but doing so won't
allow you to dig into packages if the application owning the dialog doesn't
allow it.

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#98641

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders

Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of 
using Terminal to do that.

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#98642

On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
>
> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of 
> using Terminal to do that.

I've used it in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as my memory is
fuzzy going that far back.

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#98643

On 2017-01-14 12:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
>>
>> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of
>> using Terminal to do that.
>
> I've used it in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as my memory is
> fuzzy going that far back.


Wow.  I hate these mysterious things!  I always go to terminal when 
looking for hidden files.

Another hidden one is for named pipes.  Can't see those in Finder at all 
even with the above.  ( I tried CMD-SHIFT-| but that doesn't do 
anything).  I've been using named pipes a lot of late between various 
program modules.

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#98651

On 2017-01-14, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-01-14 12:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>>>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
>>>
>>> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of
>>> using Terminal to do that.
>>
>> I've used it in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as my memory is
>> fuzzy going that far back.
>
> Wow.  I hate these mysterious things!  I always go to terminal when 
> looking for hidden files.

I almost always do what I need with hidden files in a terminal window on
the command line. On the rare occasions I do access them through a GUI
app it's typically an app like TextWrangler or some other app that lets
you easily access hidden files in its open/save dialog boxes. I haven't
actually used the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in ages. 

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#99009

島鉄雄です。
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> in <edvd3bFd83lU1@mid.individual.net>
writes:

> On 2017-01-14, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2017-01-14 12:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>>>>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
>>>>
>>>> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of
>>>> using Terminal to do that.
>>>
>>> I've used it in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as my memory is
>>> fuzzy going that far back.
>>
>> Wow.  I hate these mysterious things!  I always go to terminal when 
>> looking for hidden files.
>
> I almost always do what I need with hidden files in a terminal window on
> the command line.

If you were familiar with Norton Commander back in MS-DOS days, you
might like Midnight Commander. It's a console file manager (actually, a
port from Linux). It's usually faster to get where you want using shell
with good autocompletion, but sometimes two panels are useful, and in
Midnight Commander you can use both methods.

> On the rare occasions I do access them through a GUI
> app it's typically an app like TextWrangler or some other app that lets
> you easily access hidden files in its open/save dialog boxes. I haven't
> actually used the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in ages. 

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#99010

島鉄雄 <shima.tetsuo@dai.tokyo.teikoku> wrote:
> 島鉄雄です。
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> in <edvd3bFd83lU1@mid.individual.net>
> writes:
> 
>> On 2017-01-14, Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>>> On 2017-01-14 12:10, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>>>>>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of
>>>>> using Terminal to do that.
>>>> 
>>>> I've used it in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as my memory is
>>>> fuzzy going that far back.
>>> 
>>> Wow.  I hate these mysterious things!  I always go to terminal when 
>>> looking for hidden files.
>> 
>> I almost always do what I need with hidden files in a terminal window on
>> the command line.
> 
> If you were familiar with Norton Commander back in MS-DOS days, you
> might like Midnight Commander. 

Thanks, but I've never wanted such a thing. In fact, my most memorable
experiences with Midnight Commander are the times I accidentally typed 'mc'
rather than 'mv' while trying to move a file and ending up having to exit
Midnight Commander instead - a bit of a nuisance, really, enough that I
enjoy systems without it installed just a tad more.  ; )

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#98650

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> I've used [cmd-shift-.] in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as 
> my memory is fuzzy going that far back.

I like to think I'm well versed in these tricks but this is one I've 
completely missed. I've been firing up Terminal to get Finder to show 
hidden files for 15 years.

Funny how these things are completely undocumented and people just have 
to stumble across them by accident. It's hard to call these things 
anything but easter eggs.

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#98652

On 2017-01-14, Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> I've used [cmd-shift-.] in 10.6 - not sure about earlier versions as 
>> my memory is fuzzy going that far back.
>
> I like to think I'm well versed in these tricks but this is one I've 
> completely missed. I've been firing up Terminal to get Finder to show 
> hidden files for 15 years.
>
> Funny how these things are completely undocumented and people just have 
> to stumble across them by accident. It's hard to call these things 
> anything but easter eggs.

Yup. That is a shame, but if you keep up with Mac news you tend to see
most of them as they come to light in the community. I'm sure that's
where I learned about it originally.

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#98648

On 14 Jan 2017, Király wrote
(in article <o5dkj7$gjf$1@dont-email.me>):

> Jolly Roger<jollyroger@pobox.com>wrote:
> > I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
> > open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders
> 
> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of
> using Terminal to do that.

+1

I remember reading a blog post showing that you have to run defaults write 
something&& killall Finder from the command line to show dotfiles in Finder 
and somehow I assumed there’s no easier easier way. Thanks!

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#98649

In message <o5dkj7$gjf$1@dont-email.me> 
  Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> I neglected to mention: You can use the Command-Shift-Period shortcut in
>> open/save dialogs to display hidden files and folders

> Wow, how long has that Finder trick been there? I've only ever heard of 
> using Terminal to do that.

Hmm... A long time.

Not sure if it was all the way back to 10.0PB, but it's been there
seemingly forever.

I nearly never use it though...

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#98672

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> Hmm... A long time.
> 
> Not sure if it was all the way back to 10.0PB, but it's been there
> seemingly forever.

Does that include the Finder app itself, and not just open/save dialogs? 
Because the key chord now works in Finder too. This seems to be a new 
Sierra feature.

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#98688

In message <o5g72u$mfs$1@dont-email.me> 
  Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> Hmm... A long time.
>> 
>> Not sure if it was all the way back to 10.0PB, but it's been there
>> seemingly forever.

> Does that include the Finder app itself, and not just open/save dialogs? 

Yes.

> Because the key chord now works in Finder too. This seems to be a new 
> Sierra feature.

Command-Shift-G in the Finder has been there since forever.

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#98689

Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
> In message <o5g72u$mfs$1@dont-email.me> 
>   Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>> Hmm... A long time.
>>> 
>>> Not sure if it was all the way back to 10.0PB, but it's been there
>>> seemingly forever.
> 
>> Does that include the Finder app itself, and not just open/save dialogs? 
> 
> Yes.

No. Command-Shift-Period does not work in Finder windows - at least up to
El Capitan.

>> Because the key chord now works in Finder too. This seems to be a new 
>> Sierra feature.
> 
> Command-Shift-G in the Finder has been there since forever.

But Command-Shift-Period in Finder windows hasn't.

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#98698

In message <ee49ehFjpp9U1@mid.individual.net> 
  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>> In message <o5g72u$mfs$1@dont-email.me> 
>>   Király <me@home.spamsucks.ca> wrote:
>>> Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
>>>> Hmm... A long time.
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure if it was all the way back to 10.0PB, but it's been there
>>>> seemingly forever.
>> 
>>> Does that include the Finder app itself, and not just open/save dialogs? 
>> 
>> Yes.

> No. Command-Shift-Period does not work in Finder windows - at least up to
> El Capitan.

>>> Because the key chord now works in Finder too. This seems to be a new 
>>> Sierra feature.
>> 
>> Command-Shift-G in the Finder has been there since forever.

> But Command-Shift-Period in Finder windows hasn't.

There wasn't enough context quoted, so I was left responding to the
subject.


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#98591

In article <edq4r7F4f0cU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2017-01-12, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> > I know about "Show Package Contents", but what I want to do is, within 
> > an "Open-Save" dialog, navigate directly to a file that's inside a 
> > package.
> >
> > How?
> 
> Some applications allow you to view contents of packages and invisible
> files (TextWrangler's dialogs are a good example), and others don't. For
> the ones that don't, there's a simple work-around solution: If you view
> any folder within the package in a Finder window, you can drag items
> from the Finder window into the open/save dialog box listing area to go
> there.

Excellent. I was hoping for something like "hold down ctl-alt-meta and 
it'll open the package", but this works nicely.

What I have is an SQLite database in a "wrapper" (why, I don't know; 
maybe to keep folks from poking around in it), and an open source SQLite 
browser. The Browser doesn't support the "drag the file into the window" 
model for opening, and I got tired of opening the wrapper and dragging 
the actual database file to the desktop so the "Open" dialog would see 
it.

Your method is much simpler. Thanks.

Isaac

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#98599

isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> What I have is an SQLite database in a "wrapper" (why, I don't know; 
> maybe to keep folks from poking around in it), and an open source SQLite
> browser. The Browser doesn't support the "drag the file into the window"
> model for opening, and I got tired of opening the wrapper and dragging
> the actual database file to the desktop so the "Open" dialog would see
> it.

Maybe just make an alias of the database-file, put it whereever you want
and open that from the browser.

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#98613

In article <1mzsb2f.ed7x0817ipo8wN%befr@eaglesoft.de>,
 befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) wrote:

> isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:
> 
> > What I have is an SQLite database in a "wrapper" (why, I don't know; 
> > maybe to keep folks from poking around in it), and an open source SQLite
> > browser. The Browser doesn't support the "drag the file into the window"
> > model for opening, and I got tired of opening the wrapper and dragging
> > the actual database file to the desktop so the "Open" dialog would see
> > it.
> 
> Maybe just make an alias of the database-file, put it whereever you want
> and open that from the browser.

Tried that; the SQLite browser wouldn't do it.

Isaac

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