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macOS 10.12.1 Available

Started byJim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com>
First post2016-10-25 09:05 -0700
Last post2016-11-02 20:29 +0000
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  macOS 10.12.1 Available Jim Gibson <JimSGibson@gmail.com> - 2016-10-25 09:05 -0700
    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2016-10-26 10:12 +0200
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Krzysztof Mitko <invalid@kmitko.at.list.dot.pl> - 2016-10-26 08:23 +0000
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-26 14:11 -0500
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-26 16:21 -0600
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-27 00:42 -0500
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-27 18:16 -0600
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-26 22:03 +1300
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Dr Eberhard Lisse <nospam@lisse.NA> - 2016-10-26 14:38 +0200
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-28 08:26 +1300
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-28 13:30 +1300
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:40 -0400
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 15:46 -0400
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:54 -0400
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 20:00 +0000
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:24 -0400
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 16:50 +0000
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:17 -0400
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:23 -0400
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:25 -0400
                      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 16:50 -0400
                      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 11:26 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 12:48 -0400
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 17:17 +0000
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:38 -0400
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 13:45 -0400
                              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-29 17:53 +0000
                                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 15:07 -0400
                              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 15:02 -0400
                                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 16:08 -0400
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2016-10-30 07:42 +0200
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:47 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-30 21:43 +1300
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 11:00 -0400
                        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-31 08:50 +1300
                          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:01 -0400
                            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-31 12:39 +1300
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2016-10-29 15:54 +1300
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:44 +0000
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:43 +0000
      Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-26 19:03 -0400
        Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-01 10:01 -0700
          Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-01 17:48 +0000
            Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-11-02 08:25 -0700
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-02 10:26 -0700
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-02 18:42 +0100
                  Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2016-11-02 15:12 -0700
                    Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-03 04:39 +0000
                Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-02 20:30 +0000
              Re: macOS 10.12.1 Available Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-02 20:29 +0000

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#96031

FromAlan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca>
Date2016-10-26 19:03 -0400
Message-ID<r4SdnVRgVZ6jq4zFnZ2dnUU7-KHNnZ2d@giganews.com>
In reply to#96000
On 2016-10-26 04:12, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
> My family and I have each a Desktop and a Laptop and I really don't
> want to download 500 MB 9 more times. I can't find the usual Download
> anywhere, so I can pull it once and then Ethernet or WiFi it to the
> other boxes.
>
> Any advice?

1) Don't top post.

2) DL the update from Apple and copy to the other Macs.  It usually 
appears in support some time after the release.  There's no emergency.

https://www.apple.com/support/downloads/ww/

e.g. https://support.apple.com/en_US/downloads/macos

10.12.1 is not there yet but should appear at some point in time.

-- 
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   -Nick (Gone Girl), Gillian Flynn.

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#96292

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2016-11-01 10:01 -0700
Message-ID<nvahpo$5ik$4@dont-email.me>
In reply to#96031
On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:03:25 -0400
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:

> 2) DL the update from Apple and copy to the other Macs.  It usually 
> appears in support some time after the release.  There's no emergency.

but it might be missing things like safari which they do not include
with security updates anymore

but alas there are a lot of nice alternatives to safari anyway so
turns out to be a good trend for the alternatives

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#96293

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-11-01 17:48 +0000
Message-ID<e7s2rtFal7fU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#96292
Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:03:25 -0400
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> 
>> 2) DL the update from Apple and copy to the other Macs.  It usually 
>> appears in support some time after the release.  There's no emergency.
> 
> but it might be missing things like safari which they do not include
> with security updates anymore

Wrong:

"macOS Sierra 10.12.1 includes the security content of Safari 10.0.1."

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207275>

Why bother commenting when you clearly don't even know what you are talking
about?

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#96340

FromMichael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com>
Date2016-11-02 08:25 -0700
Message-ID<mev94303y-98B3E5.08253202112016@news.individual.net>
In reply to#96293
In article <e7s2rtFal7fU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:03:25 -0400
> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> > 
> >> 2) DL the update from Apple and copy to the other Macs.  It usually 
> >> appears in support some time after the release.  There's no emergency.
> > 
> > but it might be missing things like safari which they do not include
> > with security updates anymore
> 
> Wrong:
> 
> "macOS Sierra 10.12.1 includes the security content of Safari 10.0.1."
> 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207275>
> 
> Why bother commenting when you clearly don't even know what you are talking
> about?

BUT...for old gear that Apple no longer supports, Ubuntu is a great 
solution.  Many of my friends are setting up old MacMinis to use Ubuntu 
for their kids.  They get a jumpstart on Linux use which will lead them 
anywhere.

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[I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]

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#96346

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2016-11-02 10:26 -0700
Message-ID<nvd7j7$kga$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#96340
On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:25:32 -0700
Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> wrote:

> BUT...for old gear that Apple no longer supports, Ubuntu is a great 

or for new gear 

> solution.  Many of my friends are setting up old MacMinis to use
> Ubuntu for their kids.  They get a jumpstart on Linux use which will
> lead them anywhere.

yeah and a kid here or there might even get interested on looking
at all the code like the browser or the mail client and discover
they really like having control over their hardware and software

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#96347

Fromandroid <here@there.was>
Date2016-11-02 18:42 +0100
Message-ID<here-A9E54D.18424202112016@news.individual.net>
In reply to#96346
In article <nvd7j7$kga$3@dont-email.me>,
 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:25:32 -0700
> Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > BUT...for old gear that Apple no longer supports, Ubuntu is a great 
> 
> or for new gear 
> 
> > solution.  Many of my friends are setting up old MacMinis to use
> > Ubuntu for their kids.  They get a jumpstart on Linux use which will
> > lead them anywhere.
> 
> yeah and a kid here or there might even get interested on looking
> at all the code like the browser or the mail client and discover
> they really like having control over their hardware and software

<https://www.macports.org/>
-- 
teleportation kills

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#96367

FromElectric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid>
Date2016-11-02 15:12 -0700
Message-ID<nvdod3$odt$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#96347
On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:42:43 +0100
android <here@there.was> wrote:

> <https://www.macports.org/>

cannot find the code for safari or mail there

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#96414

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-11-03 04:39 +0000
Message-ID<e7vtcoF8516U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#96367
Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 18:42:43 +0100
> android <here@there.was> wrote:
> 
>> <https://www.macports.org/>
> 
> cannot find the code for safari or mail there

Another FOSS wing nut heard from. You might as well cry someplace else;
nobody here cares about your silly crusade.

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#96360

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-11-02 20:30 +0000
Message-ID<e7v0nvF1k2qU4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#96346
On 2016-11-02, Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Nov 2016 08:25:32 -0700
> Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> BUT...for old gear that Apple no longer supports, Ubuntu is a great 
>
> or for new gear 

Highly debatable. In most cases, Linux is *much* less efficient than
macOS. And the Linux user experience sucks by almost every measure
compared with macOS. 

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#96359

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2016-11-02 20:29 +0000
Message-ID<e7v0loF1k2qU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#96340
On 2016-11-02, Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <e7s2rtFal7fU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
>> > On Wed, 26 Oct 2016 19:03:25 -0400
>> > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> 2) DL the update from Apple and copy to the other Macs.  It usually 
>> >> appears in support some time after the release.  There's no emergency.
>> > 
>> > but it might be missing things like safari which they do not include
>> > with security updates anymore
>> 
>> Wrong:
>> 
>> "macOS Sierra 10.12.1 includes the security content of Safari 10.0.1."
>> 
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207275>
>> 
>> Why bother commenting when you clearly don't even know what you are talking
>> about?
>
> BUT...for old gear that Apple no longer supports, Ubuntu is a great 
> solution.

I think you replied to the wrong sub-thread. Anyhow, your assertion is
highly subjective and also highly debatable considering: 

Linux tends to be much less energy efficient on Macs than macOS. Often
battery life is much worse, and systems run hotter when running Linux
than they do when running macOS.

The Linux user interface is schizophrenic, clunky, and complex. Drivers
malfunction more often (or don't work at all). And *many* valuable
mainstream software applications don't even run. 

Personally, I don't consider such a crappy desktop user experience to be
a "great solution". I've got old Macs still running 10.6 that are *much*
more useful than they would be running Linux.

> Many of my friends are setting up old MacMinis to use Ubuntu 
> for their kids.  They get a jumpstart on Linux use which will lead them 
> anywhere.

I don't see how macOS couldn't lead them just as well. Most *nix
software compiles and runs on macOS natively. And while macOS is
obviously different, many parts of the macOS UNIX implementation are
quite similar to mainstream Linux distributions. So one can gain a whole
lot of very useful technical knowledge about *nix without bothering to
run Linux on a Mac. So unless you are specifically interested in a
particular Linux distribution, or particular Linux-only technologies or
software stacks, there isn't much of an actual need to run Linux on a
Mac. And even when there is a legitimate need, you can do so in a
virtual machine inside of macOS to enjoy all of the benefits of macOS
while running Linux at the same time.

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