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  TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-09-27 10:55 -0700
    Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-09-27 14:10 -0400
    Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 David Arnstein <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> - 2015-09-30 01:40 +0000
      Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-30 01:51 +0000
      Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 21:53 -0400
        Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-30 02:10 +0000
          Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 03:48 -0400
            Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-30 15:11 +0000
              Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-09-30 13:55 -0700
              Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 18:15 -0400
                Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-01 01:29 +0000
        Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-09-29 22:27 -0400
        Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-09-29 21:24 -0700
      Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2015-09-29 21:26 -0700
        Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2015-09-29 22:11 -0700
          Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-09-30 16:41 +0000
      Re: TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6 David Arnstein <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> - 2015-10-01 22:05 +0000

#80795 — TotalFinder and TotalSpaces Inoperable Under 10.10.6

Bummer!  I love TotalFinder and TotalSpaces, but apparently they are 
not operable under regular El Capitan:

	http://tinyurl.com/ohlpnb8

"Both TotalFinder and TotalSpaces2 work by injecting code into 
processes that are part of OSX. They change the way those processes 
work, but they don't change the underlying system - they just add 
features whilst they are running. If you quit TotalFinder or 
TotalSpaces2, those processes restart and system returns to its 
original state.

However, in El Capitan OSX 10.11, this kind of modification will be 
disallowed by a new feature called "System Integrity Protection". It is 
also known as "Rootless". The feature prevents both modifications to 
your system files, and to system processes whilst they are running 
(even if you enter your password for administrator access).

So in a normally configured Mac, TotalFinder and TotalSpaces2 cannot run."

But you can turn "System Integrity Protection" off.  Even then:

"With System Integrity Protection turned off, the latest build of 
TotalFinder works with some features missing in the current beta El 
Capitan. It will require some effort to re-write the missing features 
(for example colored labels, and folders on top). We are not currently 
intending to do a full port for El Capitan."

Very dissappointing as I really love these programs, and they really 
aid in productivity. Tough luck, I suppose this kind of thing will make 
more difficult my computer being hacked by Chinese/Korean/Russian 
hackers. That's a bonus.

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#80797

On 15-09-27 13:55, gtr wrote:

> "With System Integrity Protection turned off, the latest build of 
> TotalFinder works with some features missing in the current beta El 
> Capitan. It will require some effort to re-write the missing features 
> (for example colored labels, and folders on top). We are not currently 
> intending to do a full port for El Capitan."


I look at TRIM for 3rd party disks. There was a "hack" that turned it
on. Apple killed it with kext signing at Yosemite. So people who needed
it would disable code signing. (which defeats security features Apple is
adding).

So Apple provided a way to activate TRIMM "officially" without a hack.
This means that people no longer need 3rd party software to do a basic
thing, and this means people no longer need to turn off kext signing.

If Apple realises there was a popular feature that stops working because
of System Integrity Protection or which causes a lot of peoploe to
disable SIP, then Apple is likely to add that feature itself to reduce
the need to turn off SIP.

A security feature which many people disable is not effective.

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#81121

I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac

What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
display, but that is less important to me.
-- 
David Arnstein                       (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobox.com          {{   }}
                                     ^^

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#81122

On 2015-09-30, David Arnstein <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:
> I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
> replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
> https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac
>
> What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
> TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
> display, but that is less important to me.

Meh. I don't have any significant issues with the default functionality.
And inevitably these types of programs add their own set of issues/bugs
to the system, and make operating system upgrades more of a pain. Not
worth my time and trouble. To each his own, though.

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JR

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#81125

On 2015-09-29 21:40:16 -0400, David Arnstein <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> said:

> I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
> replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
> https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac
> 
> What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
> TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
> display, but that is less important to me.

Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so 
they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.

I'm in work right now, so I can't access some websites in order to find 
that tidbit I read earlier.

I did see this, though:

http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/totalfinder-replacement.1893337/
-- 
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the people we're seriously considering putting on the Presidential 
ballot." - Kelly Hines 2015

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#81129

FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so 
> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.

Risking security in the process. No thanks.

-- 
Sent from my iPhone

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#81168

On 2015-09-30 02:10:42 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:

> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so
>> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.
> 
> Risking security in the process. No thanks.

It seems to be a wash.  Aren't we risking security right now in Yosemite?

And for those who won't upgrade because one of their favorite apps 
won't work - aren't they still risking said security by sticking with 
Yosemite?

So, if the choice is to STAY unsecure under Yosemite, or BE unsecure 
under El Capitan, what's the benefit?

To-may-to, or To-mot-to.
-- 
"Irony is wasted on the stupid"  -Oscar Wilde

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#81181

FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2015-09-30 02:10:42 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
> 
>> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so
>>> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.
>> 
>> Risking security in the process. No thanks.
> 
> It seems to be a wash.  Aren't we risking security right now in Yosemite?
> 
> And for those who won't upgrade because one of their favorite apps 
> won't work - aren't they still risking said security by sticking with 
> Yosemite?
> 
> So, if the choice is to STAY unsecure under Yosemite, or BE unsecure 
> under El Capitan, what's the benefit?

The benefit is enhance d security, obviously.

Seems an obvious choice to me: be more secure. 

Do as you wish. I'll pick security.

-- 
Sent from my iPhone

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#81206

On 2015-09-30 15:11:45 +0000, Jolly Roger said:

> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-09-30 02:10:42 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>> 
>>> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so
>>>> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.
>>> 
>>> Risking security in the process. No thanks.
>> 
>> It seems to be a wash.  Aren't we risking security right now in Yosemite?
>> 
>> And for those who won't upgrade because one of their favorite apps
>> won't work - aren't they still risking said security by sticking with
>> Yosemite?
>> 
>> So, if the choice is to STAY unsecure under Yosemite, or BE unsecure
>> under El Capitan, what's the benefit?
> 
> The benefit is enhance d security, obviously.
> 
> Seems an obvious choice to me: be more secure.
> 
> Do as you wish. I'll pick security.

I don't know what exactly I'm choosing, but it seems forever a pain in 
the ass when I hang back for very long with a new OS.  It's easier to 
knuckle under to whatever-the-hell it is, once I've ensured it's stable 
to my satisfaction.

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#81215

On 2015-09-30 11:11:45 -0400, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:

> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2015-09-30 02:10:42 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>> 
>>> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so
>>>> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.
>>> 
>>> Risking security in the process. No thanks.
>> 
>> It seems to be a wash.  Aren't we risking security right now in Yosemite?
>> 
>> And for those who won't upgrade because one of their favorite apps
>> won't work - aren't they still risking said security by sticking with
>> Yosemite?
>> 
>> So, if the choice is to STAY unsecure under Yosemite, or BE unsecure
>> under El Capitan, what's the benefit?
> 
> The benefit is enhance d security, obviously.
> 
> Seems an obvious choice to me: be more secure.
> 
> Do as you wish. I'll pick security.

I haven't decided yet... we'll have to see what breaks.

But if it's a choice between a better OS, and the same level of 
security, or a worse OS, and the same level of security - well that 
choice is easy to make.

Everybody wants more security... but there is a point of diminishing returns.

Ease of use counts too, and some people will take the trade off.
-- 
If your only tool is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail.

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#81222

On 2015-09-30, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2015-09-30 11:11:45 -0400, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>
>> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2015-09-30 02:10:42 +0000, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> said:
>>> 
>>>> FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so
>>>>> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.
>>>> 
>>>> Risking security in the process. No thanks.
>>> 
>>> It seems to be a wash.  Aren't we risking security right now in Yosemite?
>>> 
>>> And for those who won't upgrade because one of their favorite apps
>>> won't work - aren't they still risking said security by sticking with
>>> Yosemite?
>>> 
>>> So, if the choice is to STAY unsecure under Yosemite, or BE unsecure
>>> under El Capitan, what's the benefit?
>> 
>> The benefit is enhance d security, obviously.
>> 
>> Seems an obvious choice to me: be more secure.
>> 
>> Do as you wish. I'll pick security.
>
> I haven't decided yet... we'll have to see what breaks.
>
> But if it's a choice between a better OS, and the same level of 
> security, or a worse OS, and the same level of security - well that 
> choice is easy to make.

El Capitan is a better OS than Yosemite, so I'll take the better OS with
better security. Win win.

> Everybody wants more security... but there is a point of diminishing returns.
>
> Ease of use counts too, and some people will take the trade off.

To each, their own, of course.

-- 
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JR

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#81130

In article <muff7c$j7a$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote:

> > What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
> > TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
> > display, but that is less important to me.
> 
> Are you sure it's dead?  I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so 
> they can run things like FinderPop and TotalFinder.

disabling sip is incredibly stupid, especially for something trivial
such as either of those.

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#81152

On 2015-09-30 01:53:40 +0000, FPP said:

> On 2015-09-29 21:40:16 -0400, David Arnstein <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> said:
> 
>> I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
>> replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
>> https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac
>> 
>> What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
>> TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
>> display, but that is less important to me.
> 
> Are you sure it's dead?

Read about it on their website: They promise no continued support:

	http://totalfinder.binaryage.com/system-integrity-protection

> I hear people are deciding to disable SIP, so they can run things like 
> FinderPop and TotalFinder.
> 
> I'm in work right now, so I can't access some websites in order to find 
> that tidbit I read earlier.
> 
> I did see this, though:
> 
> http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/totalfinder-replacement.1893337/

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#81153

On 2015-09-30 01:40:16 +0000, David Arnstein said:

> I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
> replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
> https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac
> 
> What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
> TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
> display, but that is less important to me.

I like a lot of things, the hold way of coloring foldes/files 
completely rather than having a color dot over yonder, the one-touch 
split screen, the one-touch view of invisible files, and then most 
options of TotalSpaces are vastly better than Apple's approach (at 
least on Yosemite).

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#81157

On 2015-09-30 04:26:16 +0000, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> said:

> On 2015-09-30 01:40:16 +0000, David Arnstein said:
> 
>> I am really going to miss TotalFinder. I am now searching for a
>> replacement. XtraFinder looks promising. Here is a list of others:
>> https://alternativeto.net/software/totalfinder/?platform=mac
>> 
>> What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
>> TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
>> display, but that is less important to me.
> 
> I like a lot of things, the hold way of coloring foldes/files 
> completely rather than having a color dot over yonder, the one-touch 
> split screen, the one-touch view of invisible files, and then most 
> options of TotalSpaces are vastly better than Apple's approach (at 
> least on Yosemite).

The change from the colored file/folder to the colored dot is, to say 
the least, annoying. TotalFinder has been for some, a way to maintain 
the continuity of a familiar feel to their OS. The changes to Spaces is 
less of an issue.

Somebody at Apple needs to let Ive know that there are times that 
minimalism is a true PIA. Since he was handed the design helm it has 
been his playground, sometime to the benefit of the user, but so many 
times the user has a sense of something lost because we are compelled 
to indulge his minimalist "vision".

-- 
Regards,

Savageduck

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#81191

On 2015-09-30, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> The change from the colored file/folder to the colored dot is, to say 
> the least, annoying. 
>
> Somebody at Apple needs to let Ive know that there are times that 
> minimalism is a true PIA.

The change to labels was done long before Jony Ive was made head of
design.

Stop trying to blame everything Apple does on one person. It's silly and
juvenile.

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#81332

In article <mufei0$k9m$1@reader1.panix.com>,
David Arnstein  <arnstein+usenet@pobox.com> wrote:
>What do you guys think of these programs? My motivation for using
>TotalFinder is mainly "folders on top." I also like the double-window
>display, but that is less important to me.

Guys,

Follow-up. I uninstalled TotalFinder (sniff) upgraded to El Capitan,
and installed PathFinder.

PathFinder does much more than I want and it cost me $40 US. It is an
acceptable replacement for TotalFinder: it gives me "folders on top"
and it gives me two windows side-by-side. I might find a use for the
other features as well.
-- 
David Arnstein                       (00)
arnstein+usenet@pobox.com          {{   }}
                                     ^^

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