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  El Capitan Beta Version 4 TaliesinSoft <taliesinsoft@me.com> - 2015-08-07 17:47 -0500
    Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-07 16:05 -0700
    Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Peter Angel <peterangSPAMSTOP@inbox.com> - 2015-08-08 19:01 +0200
      Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> - 2015-08-08 16:03 -0700
        Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-09 15:58 +1200
          Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 07:28 -0400
            Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-09 11:53 -0400
              Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 16:03 +0000
                Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:20 -0400
                  Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 16:29 +0000
                    Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 John D <duncanjdiii@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 11:59 -0400
    Re: El Capitan Beta Version 4 John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2015-08-11 13:57 -0400

#78505 — El Capitan Beta Version 4

A friend called me today and stated that his computer completely froze 
after he initiated an update to El Capitan Beta Version 4 and that he 
has been totally unsuccessful at unfreezing it. I have been running the 
El Capitan betas and my update list stops at "Version 3, Installed Jul 
30, 2015" There was a subsequent update titled "Command Line Tools (OS 
X 10.11) beta" which I installed yesterday. I'm curious as to why I 
haven't received notification for a version 4.

-- 
James Leo Ryan - Austin, Texas

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#78506

In article <d2kqs9Fhlo7U1@mid.individual.net>, TaliesinSoft
<taliesinsoft@me.com> wrote:

> A friend called me today and stated that his computer completely froze 
> after he initiated an update to El Capitan Beta Version 4 and that he 
> has been totally unsuccessful at unfreezing it. I have been running the 
> El Capitan betas and my update list stops at "Version 3, Installed Jul 
> 30, 2015" There was a subsequent update titled "Command Line Tools (OS 
> X 10.11) beta" which I installed yesterday. I'm curious as to why I 
> haven't received notification for a version 4.

I haven't received notification for it either, but when I checked
Update in the App Store, there it was.

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#78510

On 2015-08-07 22:47:37 +0000, TaliesinSoft said:

> A friend called me today and stated that his computer completely froze 
> after he initiated an update to El Capitan Beta Version 4 and that he 
> has been totally unsuccessful at unfreezing it. I have been running the 
> El Capitan betas and my update list stops at "Version 3, Installed Jul 
> 30, 2015" There was a subsequent update titled "Command Line Tools (OS 
> X 10.11) beta" which I installed yesterday. I'm curious as to why I 
> haven't received notification for a version 4.

Same to me, iMac 21.5 2013. No way to restart, I had to restore old 
Capitan beta 3 from backup.

-- 
-pa-

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#78511

On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:01:15 +0200
Peter Angel <peterangSPAMSTOP@inbox.com> wrote:

> Same to me, iMac 21.5 2013. No way to restart, I had to restore old 
> Capitan beta 3 from backup.

how many betas do they usually go through
sounds like there will be at least a #5  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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#78512

Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:01:15 +0200
> Peter Angel <peterangSPAMSTOP@inbox.com> wrote:
> 
> > Same to me, iMac 21.5 2013. No way to restart, I had to restore old
> > Capitan beta 3 from backup.
> 
> how many betas do they usually go through
> sounds like there will be at least a #5  

The numbers vary. There are more developer betas than public betas, with
developer betas starting earlier.

We don't know when Apple is planning to release El Capitan to the
public: if they follow the pattern of the last two years then it will be
at a media event in October, but they might change the pattern and
release it in September.

Typically there are new developer and public betas every week or two, so
even with a September release we should expect at least one more beta
before the public release, and there could be time for two. If El
Capitan is released in October, there could be four more betas before
the public release.

Those who have access to the betas also have access to the release
notes, which list known issues (problems already reported, which Apple
doesn't want to hear about because they are already dealing with them).
A good clue to the public release coming soon is if a beta's release
notes have no remaining known issues.

We aren't at that point yet for El Capitan.

A beta having no known issues doesn't rule out there being another beta
or two, depending on last minute fixes and timing which suits Apple for
the public release. This also relates to release timing of any new Mac
models Apple is planning to coincide with the new OS.

-- 
David Empson
dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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#78515

In article <1m8w8tm.1f42mb7q1bkjkN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>,
 dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

> Electric Comet <electric-comet@mail.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 8 Aug 2015 19:01:15 +0200
> > Peter Angel <peterangSPAMSTOP@inbox.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Same to me, iMac 21.5 2013. No way to restart, I had to restore old
> > > Capitan beta 3 from backup.
> > 
> > how many betas do they usually go through
> > sounds like there will be at least a #5  
> 
> The numbers vary. There are more developer betas than public betas, with
> developer betas starting earlier.
> 
> We don't know when Apple is planning to release El Capitan to the
> public: if they follow the pattern of the last two years then it will be
> at a media event in October, but they might change the pattern and
> release it in September.
> 
> Typically there are new developer and public betas every week or two, so
> even with a September release we should expect at least one more beta
> before the public release, and there could be time for two. If El
> Capitan is released in October, there could be four more betas before
> the public release.
> 
> Those who have access to the betas also have access to the release
> notes, which list known issues (problems already reported, which Apple
> doesn't want to hear about because they are already dealing with them).
> A good clue to the public release coming soon is if a beta's release
> notes have no remaining known issues.
> 
> We aren't at that point yet for El Capitan.
> 
> A beta having no known issues doesn't rule out there being another beta
> or two, depending on last minute fixes and timing which suits Apple for
> the public release. This also relates to release timing of any new Mac
> models Apple is planning to coincide with the new OS.

These guys release the developer betas:

https://imzdl.com/
https://imzdl.com/osx.html

The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple) 
haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to 
version 6.
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#78518

In article <55c73967$0$1797$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> These guys release the developer betas:
> 
> https://imzdl.com/
> https://imzdl.com/osx.html
> 
> The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple) 
> haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to 
> version 6.

that absolutely is not legit.

it's yet another pirate site.

the fact that there's a big banner 'we are back' indicates that they
*were* shut down.

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#78519

On 2015-08-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <55c73967$0$1797$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>,
> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These guys release the developer betas:
>> 
>> https://imzdl.com/
>> https://imzdl.com/osx.html
>> 
>> The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple) 
>> haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to 
>> version 6.
>
> that absolutely is not legit.
>
> it's yet another pirate site.
>
> the fact that there's a big banner 'we are back' indicates that they
> *were* shut down.

No shit. You'd have to be pretty careless or naive to do that.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#78520

In article <d2pbvdFkvvlU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2015-08-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> > In article <55c73967$0$1797$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>,
> > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> These guys release the developer betas:
> >> 
> >> https://imzdl.com/
> >> https://imzdl.com/osx.html
> >> 
> >> The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple) 
> >> haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to 
> >> version 6.
> >
> > that absolutely is not legit.
> >
> > it's yet another pirate site.
> >
> > the fact that there's a big banner 'we are back' indicates that they
> > *were* shut down.
> 
> No shit. You'd have to be pretty careless or naive to do that.

Well, if Apple don't care, I don't. Wait is that my laptop exploding ...
-- 
Where's the Vangelis music?
Pris' tongue is sticking out in in the wide shot after Batty has kissed her.
They have put back more tits into the Zhora dressing  room scene.
  -- notes for Blade Runner

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#78521

On 2015-08-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
> In article <d2pbvdFkvvlU1@mid.individual.net>,
>  Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2015-08-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> > In article <55c73967$0$1797$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>,
>> > Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> These guys release the developer betas:
>> >> 
>> >> https://imzdl.com/
>> >> https://imzdl.com/osx.html
>> >> 
>> >> The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple) 
>> >> haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to 
>> >> version 6.
>> >
>> > that absolutely is not legit.
>> >
>> > it's yet another pirate site.
>> >
>> > the fact that there's a big banner 'we are back' indicates that they
>> > *were* shut down.
>> 
>> No shit. You'd have to be pretty careless or naive to do that.
>
> Well, if Apple don't care, I don't.

Who says Apple doesn't care?

> Wait is that my laptop exploding ...

I'd be more worried about privacy and security if I were you.

-- 
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#78548

Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2015-08-09, Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <d2pbvdFkvvlU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>   Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-08-09, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> In article <55c73967$0$1797$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>,
>>>> Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> These guys release the developer betas:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://imzdl.com/
>>>>> https://imzdl.com/osx.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The stuff is legit. I don't know what Apple thinks of this. They (Apple)
>>>>> haven't shut them (IMZDL) down. Anyway, developer betas seem to be up to
>>>>> version 6.
>>>>
>>>> that absolutely is not legit.
>>>>
>>>> it's yet another pirate site.
>>>>
>>>> the fact that there's a big banner 'we are back' indicates that they
>>>> *were* shut down.
>>>
>>> No shit. You'd have to be pretty careless or naive to do that.
>>
>> Well, if Apple don't care, I don't.
>
> Who says Apple doesn't care?
>
>> Wait is that my laptop exploding ...
>
> I'd be more worried about privacy and security if I were you.
>
I'm sure apple has a problem with them re-distributing non publicly 
accessible software (such as the original El-Captain developer beta), 
but I don't have a problem with what they've been doing for the publicly 
accessible developer-beta El-Captain updates. All they do is link you to 
apples official swdist.apple.com server to directly download the update 
.pkg, which the Mac App Store seems to /fail/ at more so than it should. 
I swear maybe 1/5 times I download a massive file, and it ever gets 
paused/disconnected from the network, it will delete the progress it has 
made and re-start the download. Since apple doesn't seem to post these 
(technically publicly accessible links) anywhere, I don't mind a third 
party linking to them so I can simply download the updates from my Web 
Suite.

Granted, I agree that running software that has been re-packaged by a 
third party for any reason is *never* a good idea.

The official build numbers and beta versions are located here: 
https://developer.apple.com/osx/download/ by the way.

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#78551

On 8/7/15 6:47 PM, TaliesinSoft wrote:
> A friend called me today and stated that his computer completely froze
> after he initiated an update to El Capitan Beta Version 4 and that he
> has been totally unsuccessful at unfreezing it.

I tried installing Beta 4, and the install just hangs (after the 
download has completed and I have been requested to restart the computer.

The install begins (before actually restarting), gets to roughly the "11 
minutes remaining" point, and just .... stops.

Nothing further happens.

I can then press the power-on button to forcibly kill the computer, and 
it will reboot back to Beta 3, but Beta 4 won't install...

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