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| First post | 2015-10-25 16:58 -0400 |
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Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 16:58 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-25 17:01 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 17:24 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-25 18:19 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 22:33 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:32 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-26 08:21 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 16:53 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 16:47 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-25 17:28 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-25 22:45 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-25 22:16 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 16:36 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 15:57 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 20:36 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 21:16 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:48 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:07 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 13:10 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 20:39 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 17:10 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:19 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:36 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:56 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 16:01 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 19:08 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 23:56 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 21:30 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:40 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:16 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:48 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 08:20 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-27 12:10 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2015-10-27 11:28 -0500
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 23:57 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 20:26 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-27 08:23 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 00:13 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2015-10-26 18:29 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:44 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:22 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:29 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:32 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:44 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:49 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 00:05 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:46 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:19 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:55 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 14:09 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:50 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 01:39 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 18:50 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 14:23 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 14:40 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:41 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 21:51 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 15:07 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Steve Carroll <fretwizzen@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 15:49 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 05:49 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 19:06 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2015-10-26 13:07 -0700
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 06:29 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 02:55 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 16:52 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 15:59 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-26 21:12 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-10-26 21:18 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 04:57 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 18:42 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-26 22:45 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-10-26 19:20 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 00:07 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-26 23:50 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 06:28 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2015-10-27 03:09 -0400
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-10-27 07:43 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 14:05 +0000
Re: Activity Monitor: memory question Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-10-27 04:59 +0000
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 17:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <562e96e0$0$7368$c3e8da3$66d3cc2f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #84230 |
On 2015-10-26 16:39, Jolly Roger wrote: > It's been that way since Snow Leopard. Nothing new here. He's playing > dumb to troll. Snow Leopard: red stop button with text below that says "Quit process". Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. No indication you will have a choice. Had they done a drop down menu (like for the settings), they could have had both options which would then have made it obvious. Also, the "stop sign" in Snow Leopard is not confused with the traditional "X" to close a window/pane (or layer in web browser). The "X" on Yosemite Activity Monitor isn't so obvious as the stop sign. I care about the difference between quit and force quit. So I don't press a button that says "force quit" if I want to do a quit first. Yeah, once I know that this button gives me the choice, it is OK, but until this happens, this is not intuitive.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d97jmuFik4qU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84235 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 16:39, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> It's been that way since Snow Leopard. Nothing new here. He's playing >> dumb to troll. > > > Snow Leopard: red stop button with text below that says "Quit process". > > Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave > cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. No indication you will have > a choice. Had they done a drop down menu (like for the settings), they > could have had both options which would then have made it obvious. > > Also, the "stop sign" in Snow Leopard is not confused with the > traditional "X" to close a window/pane (or layer in web browser). The > "X" on Yosemite Activity Monitor isn't so obvious as the stop sign. > > I care about the difference between quit and force quit. So I don't > press a button that says "force quit" if I want to do a quit first. > > Yeah, once I know that this button gives me the choice, it is OK, but > until this happens, this is not intuitive. You're ridiculous. Troll on. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 21:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d97kmiFiss3U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84235 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 16:39, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> It's been that way since Snow Leopard. Nothing new here. He's playing >> dumb to troll. > > Snow Leopard: red stop button with text below that says "Quit process". > > Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave > cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. > No indication you will have a choice. Snow Leopard gave no indication either. > Had they done a drop down menu (like for the settings), they > could have had both options which would then have made it obvious. No need since the behavior has not changed in YEARS. You are playing dumb to troll. > Also, the "stop sign" in Snow Leopard is not confused with the > traditional "X" to close a window/pane (or layer in web browser). The > "X" on Yosemite Activity Monitor isn't so obvious as the stop sign. Bull, it is still shaped like a stop sign and is in the exact same place on the window. > I care about the difference between quit and force quit. So I don't > press a button that says "force quit" if I want to do a quit first. You did so in Snow Leopard and we didn't hear any such bogus complaints from you then. > Yeah, once I know that this button gives me the choice, it is OK, but > until this happens, this is not intuitive. You already knew what the button does and are simply looking for any lame excuse you can find to troll. Troll on, trollboi. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 18:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <562eafa8$0$5970$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #84243 |
On 2015-10-26 17:36, Jolly Roger wrote: >> Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave >> cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. > > Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. Why cabn't you be professional and act like an intelligent adult ? I'Lve already provided the facts that on Snow Leopard, it is a STOP SIGN, with the text always below it "Quit Process". On Yosemite, it is an X symbol without colour, and onlty when you leave customer long enough, does "Force quit" appear. If the text were "quit process" with perhaps "..." to indicate there would be a dialogue to confirm options, then that would be fine. Of course, because I make the suggestion and complaint, you have to be a real troll and find a way to ridicule everything I say.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 16:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D253FEE1.618FC%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #84269 |
On 10/26/15, 3:56 PM, in article 562eafa8$0$5970$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 17:36, Jolly Roger wrote: > >>> Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave >>> cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. >> >> Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. > > Why cabn't you be professional and act like an intelligent adult ? > > I'Lve already provided the facts that on Snow Leopard, it is a STOP > SIGN, with the text always below it "Quit Process". Where do you find this to be in contention? > On Yosemite, it is an X symbol without colour, and onlty when you leave > customer long enough, does "Force quit" appear. If the text were "quit > process" with perhaps "..." to indicate there would be a dialogue to > confirm options, then that would be fine. > > Of course, because I make the suggestion and complaint, you have to be a > real troll and find a way to ridicule everything I say. > -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 19:08 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bv-dnSZ4udfDL7PLnZ2dnUU7-Q-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #84269 |
On 2015-10-26 18:56, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2015-10-26 17:36, Jolly Roger wrote: > >>> Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave >>> cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. >> >> Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. > > Why cabn't you be professional and act like an intelligent adult ? > > I'Lve already provided the facts that on Snow Leopard, it is a STOP > SIGN, with the text always below it "Quit Process". > > On Yosemite, it is an X symbol without colour, and onlty when you leave I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button but one of the rare times I had to force quit a program since the change the intent was pretty f-ing clear. And if not hovering over it gives you the function. Grow up already.
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 23:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <562ef5ec$0$62678$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #84272 |
On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: > I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big difference. When you want a program people don't use often to be intuituve (Apple's original strengths) you make it obvious to people and don't use obscure icons. X ois not like a stop sign, and "force quit" is not like "quit". And there are ways to make it such that you know you get an additional dialogue to confirm instead of clicking on button and killing a process without confirmation.
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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 21:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <D2544BED.619CF%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
| In reply to | #84308 |
On 10/26/15, 8:56 PM, in article 562ef5ec$0$62678$c3e8da3$dbd57e7@news.astraweb.com, "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: > >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button > > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big > difference. Nope. Same button functionality, just no text where there used to be text. > When you want a program people don't use often to be intuituve (Apple's > original strengths) you make it obvious to people and don't use obscure > icons. X ois not like a stop sign, and "force quit" is not like "quit". > And there are ways to make it such that you know you get an additional > dialogue to confirm instead of clicking on button and killing a process > without confirmation. I think most agree the text could be better but also is not a big deal. So what is the big deal? -- * OS X / Linux: What is a file? <http://youtu.be/_dMbXGLW9PI> * Mint MATE Trash, Panel, Menu: <http://youtu.be/C0y74FIf7uE> * Mint KDE working with folders: <http://youtu.be/7C9nvniOoE0> * Mint KDE creating files: <http://youtu.be/N7-fZJaJUv8> * Mint KDE help: <http://youtu.be/3ikizUd3sa8> * Mint KDE general navigation: <http://youtu.be/t9y14yZtQuI> * Mint KDE bugs or Easter eggs? <http://youtu.be/CU-whJQvtfA> * Easy on OS X / Hard on Linux: <http://youtu.be/D3BPWANQoIk> * OS / Word Processor Comparison: <http://youtu.be/w6Qcl-w7s5c>
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 06:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d98kj8Fq02oU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84308 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: > >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button > > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big > difference. Nope, the functionality of the button is that it presents a sheet asking you whether you want to do a normal quit or a force quit - just as it did in Snow Leopard. Also the tool tip text says the exact same thing as it did. The shape and position of the button on the window are also the same. The most significant thing that changed was the removal of the text label. > When you want a program people don't use often to be intuituve (Apple's > original strengths) you make it obvious to people and don't use obscure > icons. The target group for this particular application isn't thrown by a small insignificant UI change! It was more clear with the text label, but I don't think anyone has disputed that. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 03:16 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <562f24e4$0$31234$c3e8da3$dd9697d2@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #84317 |
On 2015-10-27 02:40, Jolly Roger wrote: > did. The shape and position of the button on the window are also the same. > The most significant thing that changed was the removal of the text label. http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/activity-monitor.jpg I obviously live in a different universe because the snow leopard UI (top of image) is very different from that of Yosemite.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 07:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d98oioFqubsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84319 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-27 02:40, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> did. The shape and position of the button on the window are also the same. >> The most significant thing that changed was the removal of the text label. > > http://www.vaxination.ca/temp/activity-monitor.jpg We are talking about one button in this thread: <http://m.imgur.com/cVJfAeg> > I obviously live in a different universe because the snow leopard UI > (top of image) is very different from that of Yosemite. The quit button isn't very different at all. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 08:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <VaWdnTRDZPeZ8bLLnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #84308 |
On 2015-10-26 23:56, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: > >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button > > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big > difference. It has always been 'force quit'. It's a last resort function.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 12:10 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-3F4139.12100727102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #84327 |
In article <VaWdnTRDZPeZ8bLLnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
> On 2015-10-26 23:56, JF Mezei wrote:
> > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote:
> >
> >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button
> >
> > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big
> > difference.
The icon is still a hexagon, which is widely recognized as meaning
"stop" (because of roadway stop signs). They also put all the icons
inside rectangular buttons.
For some reason they removed the color from the icons as well.
>
> It has always been 'force quit'. It's a last resort function.
No, it's always been "choice between quit or force quit".
The tooltip has always said "Force a process to quit". To some extent
that's a description of both options, just "Force quit" is *more*
forcible ("Quit" just *asks* the process to quit itself, in the same way
that using the File->Quit menu does).
--
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 11:28 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <alpine.OSX.2.20.1510271125510.2480@mako.ath.cx> |
| In reply to | #84343 |
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 27 October 2015 12:10 -0400, in article <barmar-3F4139.12100727102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > The icon is still a hexagon, which is widely recognized as meaning > "stop" (because of roadway stop signs). They also put all the icons > inside rectangular buttons. s/hexagon/octagon - -- David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> Be kind to animals; kiss a shark. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iEYEARECAAYFAlYvpkMACgkQUrwpmRoS3utCxgCg7VN5/mCxs3epwvZfFb1o5NF4 E8EAnjSdcIdvCk4Zyn82MP/T43NdUOCx =XBFM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 23:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn303vl.1aoc.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #84343 |
In message <barmar-3F4139.12100727102015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu>
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
> In article <VaWdnTRDZPeZ8bLLnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
> Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote:
>> On 2015-10-26 23:56, JF Mezei wrote:
>> > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote:
>> >
>> >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button
>> >
>> > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big
>> > difference.
> The icon is still a hexagon, which is widely recognized as meaning
> "stop" (because of roadway stop signs). They also put all the icons
> inside rectangular buttons.
> For some reason they removed the color from the icons as well.
It's also in the same position. It's difficult to believe anyone who'd
ever used Activity Monitor would be confused by the new button.
>> It has always been 'force quit'. It's a last resort function.
> No, it's always been "choice between quit or force quit".
> The tooltip has always said "Force a process to quit". To some extent
> that's a description of both options, just "Force quit" is *more*
> forcible ("Quit" just *asks* the process to quit itself, in the same way
> that using the File->Quit menu does).
--
<http://www.pvponline.com/comic/2004/01/14/wed-jan-14/>
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 20:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <28qdnY1l0se3i63LnZ2dnUU7-bGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #84343 |
On 2015-10-27 12:10, Barry Margolin wrote: > In article <VaWdnTRDZPeZ8bLLnZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@giganews.com>, > Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> wrote: > >> On 2015-10-26 23:56, JF Mezei wrote: >>> On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button >>> >>> No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big >>> difference. > > The icon is still a hexagon, which is widely recognized as meaning > "stop" (because of roadway stop signs). They also put all the icons > inside rectangular buttons. > > For some reason they removed the color from the icons as well. > >> >> It has always been 'force quit'. It's a last resort function. > > No, it's always been "choice between quit or force quit". I issued a corrected post immediately after that one. (deciding to test what I said after posting. <sigh>.
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 08:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <_YudndX8CvYj8bLLnZ2dnUU7-bGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #84308 |
On 2015-10-26 23:56, JF Mezei wrote: > On 2015-10-26 19:08, Alan Browne wrote: > >> I didn't even notice the force quit was replaced with the X button > > No, the Quit button was replaced by a force quit button. There is a big > difference. Disregard my other reply. The quit button leads to options: -Cancel -Quit -Force Quit The later being a last resort. Always has been so.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 00:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d97tt4Fl12hU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84269 |
On 2015-10-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2015-10-26 17:36, Jolly Roger wrote: > >>> Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave >>> cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. >> >> Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. > > Why cabn't you be professional and act like an intelligent adult ? I have been. You're the one complaining that a button that hasn't moved in position, hasn't changed shape in outline, shows the same tool tip, and performs exactly the same function is some sort of problem. > I'Lve already provided the facts that on Snow Leopard, it is a STOP > SIGN, with the text always below it "Quit Process". > > On Yosemite, it is an X symbol without colour The button is in the same position, has the same shape, and performs the same function as it did in Snow Leopard. > and onlty when you leave > customer long enough, does "Force quit" appear Same as in Snow Leopard, yep. > If the text were "quit > process" with perhaps "..." to indicate there would be a dialogue to > confirm options, then that would be fine. There was no elipsis on Snow Leopard either. So by your logic, "quit process" in Snow Leopard didn't indicate there would be further action either. > Of course, because I make the suggestion and complaint, you have to be a > real troll and find a way to ridicule everything I say. Nope, just putting it into perspective. Troll on, if you feel you must. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> |
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| Date | 2015-10-26 18:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <n0mjub$t1e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #84279 |
In article <d97tt4Fl12hU2@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-10-26, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > > On 2015-10-26 17:36, Jolly Roger wrote: > > > >>> Yosemite: B/W button with an X, no text below it. And if you leave > >>> cursor on it, the "force quit" text appears. > >> > >> Just as it did in Snow Leopard, yep. > > > > Why cabn't you be professional and act like an intelligent adult ? > > I have been. You're the one complaining that a button that hasn't moved > in position, hasn't changed shape in outline, shows the same tool tip, > and performs exactly the same function is some sort of problem. > > > I'Lve already provided the facts that on Snow Leopard, it is a STOP > > SIGN, with the text always below it "Quit Process". > > > > On Yosemite, it is an X symbol without colour > > The button is in the same position, has the same shape, and performs the > same function as it did in Snow Leopard. > > > and onlty when you leave > > customer long enough, does "Force quit" appear > > Same as in Snow Leopard, yep. > > > If the text were "quit > > process" with perhaps "..." to indicate there would be a dialogue to > > confirm options, then that would be fine. > > There was no elipsis on Snow Leopard either. So by your logic, "quit > process" in Snow Leopard didn't indicate there would be further action > either. > > > Of course, because I make the suggestion and complaint, you have to be a > > real troll and find a way to ridicule everything I say. > > Nope, just putting it into perspective. > > Troll on, if you feel you must. I'm reminded of that old old line - it takes two to tango... About time to drop all three of you into the bozo-bin, methinks. Or just plain unsubscribe from the group. God knows, between you, JF, and Lewis leg-fucking each other, and that Steve thing bitching about snit, there ain't much left to fit to read on the group anymore anyway. -- Security provided by Mssrs Smith and/or Wesson. Brought to you by the letter Q
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-10-27 01:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d98386Fm8kdU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #84299 |
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote: > > I'm reminded of that old old line - it takes two to tango... JF Mezei spouts a lot of nonsense, so you'll get used to seeing him called out if you hang around awhile. > About time to drop all three of you into the bozo-bin, methinks. Or just > plain unsubscribe from the group. God knows, between you, JF, and Lewis > leg-fucking each other, and that Steve thing bitching about snit, there > ain't much left to fit to read on the group anymore anyway. I see plenty fit for reading, but don't let me stop you. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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