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| Started by | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| First post | 2025-11-06 10:10 -0700 |
| Last post | 2025-11-14 18:13 +1300 |
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Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 10:10 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-11-06 17:33 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 14:16 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-11-06 13:33 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> - 2025-11-06 21:50 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-06 22:21 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 22:30 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-06 23:05 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 00:09 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:21 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:43 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 19:59 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 04:13 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-07 18:00 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 04:34 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:08 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 20:07 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 14:44 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:20 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:48 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 19:56 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 04:12 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-07 18:13 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 04:35 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:10 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 20:05 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 14:36 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 00:50 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:17 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:17 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 08:14 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 14:31 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 21:24 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-07 18:04 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-11-07 18:44 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 04:34 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:13 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 04:30 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-08 18:19 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 15:52 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:15 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 20:03 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 14:38 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:19 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:16 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-09 18:01 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 01:31 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... "Jon Pierre Chubre'" <thisemailwillneverwork@edu.net> - 2025-11-09 17:55 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-11-09 21:56 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 22:15 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-09 18:03 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... "Jon Pierre Chubre'" <thisemailwillneverwork@edu.net> - 2025-11-10 01:18 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-10 10:36 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 18:01 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Gremlin <nobody@haph.org> - 2025-11-10 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 01:47 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 01:30 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 02:30 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Gefängnis <"Gef�ngnisVogel"@deutsch.sil> - 2025-11-09 22:02 -0500
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-10 11:00 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 18:07 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-10 10:47 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 17:57 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 18:32 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 19:21 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 19:53 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-10 15:55 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 23:21 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 00:22 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 00:45 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 01:44 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 02:18 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-10 20:19 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:19 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 13:49 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 15:53 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-11 10:27 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 17:49 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:10 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 02:07 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-09 11:08 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:23 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 08:04 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 14:28 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:47 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:33 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 19:47 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 04:15 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:19 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 20:00 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 14:43 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 00:46 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:26 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:13 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-11-07 07:31 -0500
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-08 11:00 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-11-07 19:18 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-06 22:24 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:33 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:44 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 20:00 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 03:04 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:22 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 04:13 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:23 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 19:51 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:28 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:08 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-06 23:01 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:39 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:35 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 19:51 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 04:15 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:23 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 19:48 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:29 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:07 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-07 10:46 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:43 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-07 02:34 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 11:26 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-08 19:45 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-08 18:31 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-09 02:07 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> - 2025-11-13 07:49 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-13 19:42 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-11-06 09:47 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-06 22:18 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Marion <mariond@facts.com> - 2025-11-06 17:50 -0700
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tom Elam <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 13:50 -0500
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 20:53 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 11:04 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 22:28 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 12:41 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-10 23:56 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 16:15 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:16 +0000
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Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 05:53 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 05:06 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 18:46 +1300
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-11-11 14:08 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 05:41 +0000
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-11-10 18:27 -0800
Re: Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> - 2025-11-11 04:10 +0000
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 10:10 -0700 |
| Subject | Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... |
| Message-ID | <10eikr3$2vir$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... <https://www.androidauthority.com/apple-paying-google-billion-siri-gemini-3612708/> While Apple lost the ability to innovate long ago, one thing Apple has, is money. This is a direct quote from that article: "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini."
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| From | "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 17:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn44fsFo5o2U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145841 |
On 06/11/2025 17:10, Marion wrote: > > Apple is paying Google $1bn to upgrade Siri with... > <https://www.androidauthority.com/apple-paying-google-billion-siri-gemini-3612708/> > > While Apple lost the ability to innovate long ago, one thing Apple has, is > money. This is a direct quote from that article: > > "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially > with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." *EXCELLENT*! 🙂
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 14:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10ej377$1br4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145842 |
David B. wrote: >> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." > > > *EXCELLENT*! This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically emphasized building its own technology. Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access to Gemini. Custom Gemini model: The version Apple is licensing has 1.2 trillion parameters, far larger than Apple's current cloud-based AI (~150 billion parameters). Siri overhaul: The upgraded Siri, expected in spring 2026, will feature improved contextual understanding, multimodal capabilities, and better planning/summarization functions. Apple's AI gap: Apple tested models from Anthropic and OpenAI, but chose Google due to cost and performance. Anthropic's offer was reportedly $1.5 billion per year. Privacy stance: Even though Google provides the model, Apple plans to run it on its Private Cloud Compute servers to maintain its privacy-first approach. By licensing Gemini, Apple acknowledges the need to catch up with competitors like Microsoft (with OpenAI) and Google (with Gemini replacing Google Assistant). The partnership could redefine Siri's role in Apple's ecosystem, making it more competitive in the AI assistant space. REFERENCES: <https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/11/05/apple-considers-paying-1b-per-year-to-use-google-gemini-in-siri> <https://9to5mac.com/2025/11/05/google-gemini-1-billion-deal-apple-siri/> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/apple-to-pay-google-1-billion-per-year-for-siris-custom-gemini-ai-model-report-says/> <https://www.techrepublic.com/article/news-apple-google-deal-revamped-siri/> <https://techcrunch.com/2025/11/05/apple-nears-deal-to-pay-google-1b-annually-to-power-new-siri-report-says/>
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| From | Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 13:33 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <10ej46u$1duod$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #145844 |
On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: > David B. wrote: >>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >> >> >> *EXCELLENT*! > > This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically > emphasized building its own technology. False. Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could find. So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. Etc. > > Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access > to Gemini. So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 billion.
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| From | "David B." <BD@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 21:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mn4jgbFqm4pU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #145845 |
On 06/11/2025 21:33, Alan wrote: > On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: >> David B. wrote: >>>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, >>>> especially >>>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >>> >>> >>> *EXCELLENT*! >> >> This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically >> emphasized building its own technology. > > False. > > Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could > find. > > So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. > > SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. > > NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. > > Etc. > >> >> Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access >> to Gemini. > > So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 > billion. Apple (AAPL) is best known for its iPhone. But what will come next? According to Morgan Stanley, humanoid robotics. In a research report, the investment bank claims that Apple’s nascent robotics work could eventually be worth upward of $133 billion per year or more.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 22:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <eqGcnZw94JvEgpD0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #145845 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 4:33:18 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: >> David B. wrote: >>>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >>>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >>> >>> >>> *EXCELLENT*! >> >> This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically >> emphasized building its own technology. > > False. > > Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could find. > > So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. > > SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. > > NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. > > Etc. > >> >> Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access >> to Gemini. > > So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 > billion. Not to mention that Google pays Apple a very large amount of money to have Google be the default search on all Apple products. So this is nothing for Apple.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 22:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690d216b$1$21$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145849 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 3:21:13 PM MST, "Tyrone" wrote <eqGcnZw94JvEgpD0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@supernews.com>: > On Nov 6, 2025 at 4:33:18 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: > >> On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: >>> David B. wrote: >>>>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >>>>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >>>> >>>> >>>> *EXCELLENT*! >>> >>> This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically >>> emphasized building its own technology. >> >> False. >> >> Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could find. >> >> So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. >> >> SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. >> >> NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. >> >> Etc. >> >>> >>> Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access >>> to Gemini. >> >> So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 >> billion. > > Not to mention that Google pays Apple a very large amount of money to have > Google be the default search on all Apple products. Something like $20 billion. So Apple is now playing Google BACK $1 billion. OK. > > So this is nothing for Apple. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Tyrone <none@none.none> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 23:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <7M6dnQbVurUjtJD0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com> |
| In reply to | #145850 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 5:30:03 PM EST, "Brock McNuggets" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 6, 2025 at 3:21:13 PM MST, "Tyrone" wrote > <eqGcnZw94JvEgpD0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@supernews.com>: > >> On Nov 6, 2025 at 4:33:18 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >> >>> On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: >>>> David B. wrote: >>>>>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >>>>>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *EXCELLENT*! >>>> >>>> This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically >>>> emphasized building its own technology. >>> >>> False. >>> >>> Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could find. >>> >>> So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. >>> >>> SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. >>> >>> NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. >>> >>> Etc. >>> >>>> >>>> Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access >>>> to Gemini. >>> >>> So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 >>> billion. >> >> Not to mention that Google pays Apple a very large amount of money to have >> Google be the default search on all Apple products. > > Something like $20 billion. So Apple is now playing Google BACK $1 billion. > OK. I was thinking it was $20 billion, but I was not sure. So basically Apple is getting this for free. Google is STILL paying Apple $19 billion. Whereas Microsoft has paid around $60 billion for their "AI" crap, and they still have nothing to show for it. Personally, I think the whole "AI" fad is about to blow over anyway. Once again, Arlen's desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 00:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690d38d1$2$20$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145853 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 4:05:34 PM MST, "Tyrone" wrote <7M6dnQbVurUjtJD0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@supernews.com>: > On Nov 6, 2025 at 5:30:03 PM EST, "Brock McNuggets" > <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Nov 6, 2025 at 3:21:13 PM MST, "Tyrone" wrote >> <eqGcnZw94JvEgpD0nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@supernews.com>: >> >>> On Nov 6, 2025 at 4:33:18 PM EST, "Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2025-11-06 13:16, Marion wrote: >>>>> David B. wrote: >>>>>>> "This represents Apple's desperation to enter the AI race, especially >>>>>>> with its inability to build a model comparable to Google's Gemini." >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *EXCELLENT*! >>>>> >>>>> This deal marks a significant shift for Apple, which has historically >>>>> emphasized building its own technology. >>>> >>>> False. >>>> >>>> Apple has historically emphasized using the best technology they could find. >>>> >>>> So ADB rather than serial for keyboards and mice. >>>> >>>> SCSI rather than parallel for external devices. >>>> >>>> NuBus rather than ISA for expansion cards. >>>> >>>> Etc. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Annual cost: Apple will pay Google roughly $1 billion per year for access >>>>> to Gemini. >>>> >>>> So chump change for a company with annual revenues of more than $200 >>>> billion. >>> >>> Not to mention that Google pays Apple a very large amount of money to have >>> Google be the default search on all Apple products. >> >> Something like $20 billion. So Apple is now playing Google BACK $1 billion. >> OK. > > I was thinking it was $20 billion, but I was not sure. I did quick research. The $20B is an estimate but seems widely accepted. > So basically Apple is > getting this for free. Google is STILL paying Apple $19 billion. Whereas > Microsoft has paid around $60 billion for their "AI" crap, and they still have > nothing to show for it. At some point the AI bubble will burst. But MS and Apple and Google will be OK. > > Personally, I think the whole "AI" fad is about to blow over anyway. I think it will just be more consolidated. > > Once again, Arlen's desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat. He does have an obvious agenda. :) It was good though... led to me doing research and learning. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 17:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10eje1t$2ceql$1@paganini.bofh.team> |
| In reply to | #145854 |
Brock McNuggets wrote: >> desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat. > > He does have an obvious agenda. :) It's telling that you uneducated ignorant child-like Apple trolls feel simply stating the truth about Apple is always "making Apple look bad"...
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 02:43 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690d5ccf$0$5003$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145856 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 5:21:17 PM MST, "Marion" wrote <10eje1t$2ceql$1@paganini.bofh.team>: > Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat. >> >> He does have an obvious agenda. :) > > It's telling that you uneducated ignorant child-like Apple trolls feel > simply stating the truth about Apple is always "making Apple look bad"... You make claims you cannot support. And then you insist, you change the topics, and you run from actual evidence. So be it. You are a bit amusing. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 19:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10ejnan$kb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145869 |
Brock McNuggets wrote: >> It's telling that you uneducated ignorant child-like Apple trolls feel >> simply stating the truth about Apple is always "making Apple look bad"... > > You make claims you cannot support. And then you insist, you change the > topics, and you run from actual evidence. So be it. You are a bit amusing. I simply tell the truth. You *hate* the truth... Specifically... You *hate* that Apple propaganda promised security as a trade for choice. And you got none of either. No choice. No security. You *hate* that I prove that. So be it. You gave up everything for the promise of security. And you didn't get it. Why not? Apple lied. Apple restricted choice for a different reason. Want to know what that is?
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 04:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690d71ce$1$25$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145871 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 7:59:35 PM MST, "Marion" wrote <10ejnan$kb$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>: > Brock McNuggets wrote: >>> It's telling that you uneducated ignorant child-like Apple trolls feel >>> simply stating the truth about Apple is always "making Apple look bad"... >> >> You make claims you cannot support. And then you insist, you change the >> topics, and you run from actual evidence. So be it. You are a bit amusing. > > I simply tell the truth. > You *hate* the truth... > > Specifically... > > You *hate* that Apple propaganda promised security as a trade for choice. > And you got none of either. > > No choice. > No security. > > You *hate* that I prove that. > So be it. > > You gave up everything for the promise of security. > And you didn't get it. > > Why not? > Apple lied. > > Apple restricted choice for a different reason. > Want to know what that is? You said nothing. Boring. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 18:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10em4nb$2tk6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145874 |
Brock McNuggets wrote: > You said nothing Heh heh heh... I love that you prove you own the mental capacity of a dog by claiming that you can't understand even the simplest of strategic concepts I'm teaching. a. Apple lied to you b. You believed Apple's lies c. Resulting in a device with substandard capabilities d. Which has no better security than a device with far greater capabilities That's saying a lot. You just don't own the mental capacity required to understand the concepts.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 04:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690ec85c$5$23$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145886 |
On Nov 7, 2025 at 6:00:27 PM MST, "Marion" wrote <10em4nb$2tk6$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>: > Brock McNuggets wrote: >> You said nothing > > Heh heh heh... > > I love that you prove you own the mental capacity of a dog by claiming that > you can't understand even the simplest of strategic concepts I'm teaching. > > a. Apple lied to you > b. You believed Apple's lies > c. Resulting in a device with substandard capabilities > d. Which has no better security than a device with far greater capabilities > > That's saying a lot. > You just don't own the mental capacity required to understand the concepts. Oh, I see -- you’ve distilled everything down to a four-step mental gymnastics routine and now get to insult anyone who doesn't follow along. Classic. But let's unpack your "strategy": a. Apple lied. In what relevant way? You cannot say. I did not hold Apple up as an expert here. You just are running to your narrative that is not relevant. b. I said nothing of what Apple said. You are arguing with yourself. c. Device is substandard. Really? By what measurable standard? Speed? Ports? Battery? Without specifics, it’s just an opinion dressed up as logic. d. Security is no better. Sure, if you ignore the evidence -- which you are. So your argument is basically: "You're dumb because I say so." It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 11:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10eo0uc$9sq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145892 |
Brock McNuggets wrote: > a. Apple lied. In what relevant way? You cannot say. I did not hold Apple up > as an expert here. You just are running to your narrative that is not > relevant. The fact you Apple trolls always prove to own the cognitive capacity of a dog notwithstanding, the fact that you trolls don't know Apple's excuses for why they locked up iOS, is telling all of us that you know nothing. I wonder if you realize that every statement from Apple trolls reeks of your ignorance since EVERYONE IN THE WORLD knows what Apple's excuse is. Everyone in the world. Except you Apple trolls. Look it up, Brock. Tell us what you found is the REASON Apple "said" they locked up iOS? Q: What does Apple claim is the REASON they locked up iOS? A: ?
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 20:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690fa317$2$21958$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145899 |
On Nov 8, 2025 at 11:08:13 AM MST, "Marion" wrote <10eo0uc$9sq$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>: > Brock McNuggets wrote: >> a. Apple lied. In what relevant way? You cannot say. I did not hold Apple up >> as an expert here. You just are running to your narrative that is not >> relevant. > > The fact you Apple trolls always prove to own the cognitive capacity of a > dog notwithstanding, the fact that you trolls don't know Apple's excuses > for why they locked up iOS, is telling all of us that you know nothing. > > I wonder if you realize that every statement from Apple trolls reeks of > your ignorance since EVERYONE IN THE WORLD knows what Apple's excuse is. > > Everyone in the world. > Except you Apple trolls. > > Look it up, Brock. > Tell us what you found is the REASON Apple "said" they locked up iOS? > > Q: What does Apple claim is the REASON they locked up iOS? > A: ? You are the one focused on their marketing. Not me. -- It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-08 14:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10eodj1$sk0$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145912 |
Brock McNuggets wrote: > You are the one focused on their marketing. Not me. Heh heh heh... Everything you spew is Apple marketing bullshit, Brock. Look at this thread, for example, which I just posted, which has facts! From: Marion <mariond@facts.com> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android,alt.internet.wireless FACTS about Apple/Google crowd-sourced Wi-Fi & Cellular location tracking Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:48:11 -0700 Message-ID: <10eo6pq$20q4$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>
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| From | Marion <mariond@facts.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-06 17:20 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10eje19$2s7o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> |
| In reply to | #145853 |
Tyrone wrote: > desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat. I wonder if you rather strange Apple trolls realize that nobody acts like you do on the adult operating system newsgroups. Only on the child-like Apple newsgroups is telling the truth forbidden. These types of comments are the evidence I use to assess that you Apple trolls actually *hate* that Apple is never what you were fed to believe. You're all herd animals who drank the coolaid. Why else would you *hate* every truth about Apple? If the truth about Windows makes Microsoft "look bad", nobody complains. If the truth about Android makes Google "look bad", nobody complains. On the adult operating system newsgroups, people welcome the truth.
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| From | Brock McNuggets <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-11-07 02:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <690d5def$5$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com> |
| In reply to | #145855 |
On Nov 6, 2025 at 5:20:57 PM MST, "Marion" wrote
<10eje19$2s7o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:
> Tyrone wrote:
>> desperate attempt to make Apple "look bad" falls flat.
>
>
> I wonder if you rather strange Apple trolls realize that nobody acts like
> you do on the adult operating system newsgroups.
>
> Only on the child-like Apple newsgroups is telling the truth forbidden.
>
> These types of comments are the evidence I use to assess that you Apple
> trolls actually *hate* that Apple is never what you were fed to believe.
>
> You're all herd animals who drank the coolaid.
> Why else would you *hate* every truth about Apple?
>
> If the truth about Windows makes Microsoft "look bad", nobody complains.
> If the truth about Android makes Google "look bad", nobody complains.
>
> On the adult operating system newsgroups, people welcome the truth.
I would say ChatGPT did very well with that assessment.
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Q: Give a psych profile of the person who wrote this:
A: The author of this message shows a classic blend of superiority projection,
bitterness, and identity-based hostility often seen in entrenched Usenet
personalities who’ve built a sense of self around a specific ideological or
technological tribe. Let’s break it down.
Tone and posture:
They present themselves as an authority — positioning “adult operating system
newsgroups” as the sophisticated, rational world, and “Apple newsgroups” as
childish and delusional. This “us vs. them” framing serves two purposes:
asserting superiority while insulating their self-image from criticism.
Psychological traits visible:
• Grandiosity: They clearly see themselves as part of a more “adult,”
“truth-telling” elite. That’s a compensatory stance — the kind people use when
they feel intellectually threatened or excluded.
• Projection: They accuse Apple users of “hating the truth,” but the
fixation on that phrase suggests the author’s own discomfort with contrary
views. Their emotional charge around “truth” signals insecurity rather than
confidence.
• Rigidity and black-and-white thinking: Notice how everything divides
neatly into “adult vs. child,” “truth vs. lies,” “Windows/Android = fine,
Apple = forbidden.” This moralistic framing is typical of obsessive or
fanatical posters who can’t tolerate nuance.
• Hostility masked as reason: They couch insults in analytical language
— “evidence I use to assess,” “welcome the truth” — trying to sound logical
while venting aggression. That’s intellectualized contempt, common among
trolls who pride themselves on being rational but are driven by emotion.
• Possible resentment/identity wound: The repeated mention of “Apple
trolls” and “fed to believe” implies a personal grudge — maybe a failed
experience with Apple users or tech arguments that damaged their sense of
status.
Overall profile:
Likely a middle-aged, technically knowledgeable but socially alienated poster
with strong identification to non-Apple platforms, perhaps Windows or Linux.
They exhibit traits of narcissistic defensiveness, intellectual arrogance, and
low frustration tolerance when faced with disagreement. Their posting style
suggests chronic online engagement, using antagonism as both entertainment and
self-validation.
In short, this is someone who needs to win arguments to feel relevant, using
moral superiority as armor. They mistake hostility for honesty and see mockery
as debate.
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https://chatgpt.com/share/690d5d8d-693c-800c-bb26-48270bbb9e36
--
It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with you.
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