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  Going Back George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 10:27 -0600
    Re: Going Back Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-23 09:14 -0800
      Re: Going Back "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-23 21:23 +0000
        Re: Going Back JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-23 16:26 -0500
      Re: Going Back George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-23 16:05 -0600
        Re: Going Back Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 15:19 -0800
        Re: Going Back Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-23 15:35 -0800
          Re: Going Back David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> - 2013-01-23 17:46 -0600
    Re: Going Back ggrandish@gmail.com - 2013-01-23 10:44 -0800
    Re: Going Back isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2013-01-23 11:33 -0800
      Re: Going Back "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-24 02:30 +0000
    Re: Going Back Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-01-24 07:11 +0100
      Re: Going Back George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 15:07 -0600
        Re: Going Back Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> - 2013-01-25 07:31 +0100

#38789 — Going Back

Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
appreciated in advance!

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#38790

In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> appreciated in advance!

Meh. First thing I did was configure iTunes 11 to use the same views I 
used in iTunes 10, and I've ben happily using 11 ever since. No need to 
downgrade.

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#38803

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:14:18 UTC, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
> > updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> > 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
> > Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> > ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> > backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> > that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> > appreciated in advance!
> 
> Meh. First thing I did was configure iTunes 11 to use the same views I 
> used in iTunes 10, and I've ben happily using 11 ever since. No need to 
> downgrade.
 
Same here. There seems to be no way to get 11 out of icon view of 
albums, but since I never use the album view it doesn't bother me. 

-- 
John Varela

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#38804

On 13-01-23 16:23, John Varela wrote:

> Same here. There seems to be no way to get 11 out of icon view of 
> albums, but since I never use the album view it doesn't bother me. 

I was able to get Itunes 11 to mimic pretty much the setup I had and
used in previous itunes. So there was no real loss of functionlity for me.

I do miss the ability to "search store" right from a menu item, and the
store no longer habving advanced search.

Note that I am on snow leopard, so I assume itunes 11 behaves slightly
differently because many things are not enabled on it.

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#38808

On 1/23/13 11:14 AM, in article
jollyroger-DED3E1.09141823012013@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
>> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
>> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
>> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
>> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
>> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
>> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
>> appreciated in advance!
> 
> Meh. First thing I did was configure iTunes 11 to use the same views I
> used in iTunes 10, and I've ben happily using 11 ever since. No need to
> downgrade.

Hey JR! Sorry about the recent gaffe. Glad to see you again. You know of a
way to re-instate CoverFlow and the left sidebar? That is what is primarily
driving me nuts with all of small album cover icons.

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#38813

In article <CD25BAC1.96CC4%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>, George Kerby
<ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/23/13 11:14 AM, in article
> jollyroger-DED3E1.09141823012013@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
> >  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10?
> >> While
> >> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> >> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design.
> >> Time
> >> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> >> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> >> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> >> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> >> appreciated in advance!
> > 
> > Meh. First thing I did was configure iTunes 11 to use the same views I
> > used in iTunes 10, and I've ben happily using 11 ever since. No need to
> > downgrade.
> 
> Hey JR! Sorry about the recent gaffe. Glad to see you again. You know of a
> way to re-instate CoverFlow and the left sidebar? That is what is primarily
> driving me nuts with all of small album cover icons.
> 

I think Cover Flow is gone. For the left sidebar, select 'Show Sidebar'
under the View menu.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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#38814

In article <CD25BAC1.96CC4%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/23/13 11:14 AM, in article
> jollyroger-DED3E1.09141823012013@news.individual.net, "Jolly Roger"
> <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
> > In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
> >  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? 
> >> While
> >> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> >> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. 
> >> Time
> >> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> >> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. 
> >> My
> >> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> >> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> >> appreciated in advance!
> > 
> > Meh. First thing I did was configure iTunes 11 to use the same views I
> > used in iTunes 10, and I've ben happily using 11 ever since. No need to
> > downgrade.
> 
> Hey JR! Sorry about the recent gaffe. Glad to see you again. 

No worries. It wasn't your fault - simple misunderstanding. : )

> You know of a
> way to re-instate CoverFlow and the left sidebar? That is what is primarily
> driving me nuts with all of small album cover icons.

The left sidebar is easy: 

     View > View Sidebar

I'm not sure about CoverFlow though - I never use it myself.

-- 
Send responses to the relevant news group rather than email to me.
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JR

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#38815

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 Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure about CoverFlow though - I never use it myself.

CoverFlow is gone and missed.

- -- 
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#38798

On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:27:09 PM UTC+1, George Kerby wrote:
> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? 

It's not as easy as replacing iTunes.app. The new iTunes includes modifications to the System. Reverting means restoring your last Time Machine or other full system backup that was made before you upgraded.

But I agree with JR. Poke around in the menus of iTunes 11 and you'll find that it's possible to largely return to the iTunes 10-style interface.

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#38799

In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> appreciated in advance!

I read someplace that going back is very difficult -- the new version 
rearranges the database or something.

Isaac

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#38822

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 19:33:39 UTC, isw <isw@witzend.com> wrote:

> In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
> > updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> > 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
> > Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> > ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> > backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> > that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> > appreciated in advance!
> 
> I read someplace that going back is very difficult -- the new version 
> rearranges the database or something.

Wich means that an iTunes library compatible with iTunes 10 must be 
recovered from backup. If you lack a Time machine backup you might 
be stuck. And any additions made after that backup may be lost.

-- 
John Varela

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#38848

Salut George

In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> appreciated in advance!

there are 3 major steps:

within your iTunes folder you will find a folder "Previuous iTunes 
Libraries". The probably newest file in there is the library compatible 
with 10.7. 
Rename the "iTunes Library" file directly in the iTunes folder to 
something else.
Move the file found in the "Previous iTunes Libraries" one level up to 
the "iTunes" folder
Rename it "iTunes Library"

Get hold of a copy of Pacifist:
<http://www.charlessoft.com/>

Get hold of iTunes 10.7:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1576>
For international users: get it from the US site, localised Apple Sites 
may link to the current (11.x) version of iTunes...

Install Pacifist
Mount the iTunes 10.7 installer image (don't install!)
Start Pacisfist
Let it install iTunes from the mounted image with administrator 
privilegies and tell ist to REPLACE all files that it encounters.

You should be done (maybe don't start iTunes for the firdt time from the 
dock, rather from tha Applications folder)

Cheers
Andreas

-- 
MacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> 
EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk
Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung
<mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47

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#38897

On 1/24/13 12:11 AM, in article
andreas-2D3BD9.07113624012013@news.individual.de, "Andreas Rutishauser"
<andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

> Salut George
> 
> In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
>  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? While
>> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
>> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. Time
>> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
>> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. My
>> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
>> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
>> appreciated in advance!
> 
> there are 3 major steps:
> 
> within your iTunes folder you will find a folder "Previuous iTunes
> Libraries". The probably newest file in there is the library compatible
> with 10.7. 
> Rename the "iTunes Library" file directly in the iTunes folder to
> something else.
> Move the file found in the "Previous iTunes Libraries" one level up to
> the "iTunes" folder
> Rename it "iTunes Library"
> 
> Get hold of a copy of Pacifist:
> <http://www.charlessoft.com/>
> 
> Get hold of iTunes 10.7:
> <http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1576>
> For international users: get it from the US site, localised Apple Sites
> may link to the current (11.x) version of iTunes...
> 
> Install Pacifist
> Mount the iTunes 10.7 installer image (don't install!)
> Start Pacisfist
> Let it install iTunes from the mounted image with administrator
> privilegies and tell ist to REPLACE all files that it encounters.
> 
> You should be done (maybe don't start iTunes for the firdt time from the
> dock, rather from tha Applications folder)
> 
> Cheers
> Andreas

Andreas, this looks promising. Thanks for the information!

I want to try this before I replace the entire drive from B/U because the
better half put a lot of work into scanning not very widely available
CD/Album artwork some being custom, and we LIKE CoverFlow.

Let me try and clarify: The latest version of the file named iTunes Library
inside the Previous iTunes folder should be taken out of the folder and
placed in the next level up, still inside the iTunes folder, which is inside
the Music folder, which is inside *my* User folder. Then it should be
renamed "iTunes Library", because the one already there that was created by
upgrading to iTunes 11 also has that name. But, BEFORE I make that move, I
should rename THAT file created by installing iTunes 11 to anything else, so
there would be no conflict when I place the 10.7 Library on the same level,
just inside the iTunes folder.

And just what is Pacifist, BTW?

THANKS! If this works, it is GOLD!

Also, guys I do appreciate the info about as to just why I simply cannot
replace the iTunes.app file without disruption to System and general havoc.

I will report back with results...

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#38935

Salut George

In article <CD26FEB4.96D6B%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
 George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/24/13 12:11 AM, in article
> andreas-2D3BD9.07113624012013@news.individual.de, "Andreas Rutishauser"
> <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:
> 
> > Salut George
> > 
> > In article <CD256B7D.96BD2%ghost_topper@hotmail.com>,
> >  George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Anyone here have any suggestion as to how one can return to iTunes 10? 
> >> While
> >> updating several things in ML this morning, I accidentally included iTunes
> >> 11. Took me about 30 seconds to determine that I detest the new design. 
> >> Time
> >> Machine, from my most recent backup, will fetch the iTunes application and
> >> ask if I want to replace, cancel or keep both as normal, but it doesn't. 
> >> My
> >> backup from SuperDuper, when dragged to the applications folder complains
> >> that "iTunes is part of the System and cannot be removed". Any thoughts
> >> appreciated in advance!
> > 
> > there are 3 major steps:
> > 
> > within your iTunes folder you will find a folder "Previuous iTunes
> > Libraries". The probably newest file in there is the library compatible
> > with 10.7. 
> > Rename the "iTunes Library" file directly in the iTunes folder to
> > something else.
> > Move the file found in the "Previous iTunes Libraries" one level up to
> > the "iTunes" folder
> > Rename it "iTunes Library"
> > 
> > Get hold of a copy of Pacifist:
> > <http://www.charlessoft.com/>
> > 
> > Get hold of iTunes 10.7:
> > <http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1576>
> > For international users: get it from the US site, localised Apple Sites
> > may link to the current (11.x) version of iTunes...
> > 
> > Install Pacifist
> > Mount the iTunes 10.7 installer image (don't install!)
> > Start Pacisfist
> > Let it install iTunes from the mounted image with administrator
> > privilegies and tell ist to REPLACE all files that it encounters.
> > 
> > You should be done (maybe don't start iTunes for the firdt time from the
> > dock, rather from tha Applications folder)
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Andreas
> 
> Andreas, this looks promising. Thanks for the information!
> 
> I want to try this before I replace the entire drive from B/U because the
> better half put a lot of work into scanning not very widely available
> CD/Album artwork some being custom, and we LIKE CoverFlow.
> 
> Let me try and clarify: The latest version of the file named iTunes Library
> inside the Previous iTunes folder should be taken out of the folder and
> placed in the next level up, still inside the iTunes folder, which is inside
> the Music folder, which is inside *my* User folder. 

normally yes. There are users who have their iTunes Media in other 
places. This can be checked in iTunes settings an can be changed by 
starting iTunes with the option kex pressed. The files in the "Previous 
iTunes Libraries" carry a date in their name, the latest one will have 
the date on when you started iTunes 11 for the first time.

You can also duplicate the file before moving it to be on the safe side.
The idea is to replace the "iTunes Library" file created by iTunes 11 
with the 10.7 version.

> Then it should be
> renamed "iTunes Library", because the one already there that was created by
> upgrading to iTunes 11 also has that name. But, BEFORE I make that move, I
> should rename THAT file created by installing iTunes 11 to anything else, so
> there would be no conflict when I place the 10.7 Library on the same level,
> just inside the iTunes folder.

Yes. On some systems I've seen the file was called "iTunes Library.itl". 
Maybe you change the name in the information window of the file..
> 
> And just what is Pacifist, BTW?

It tells you in the first sentence of the charlessoft webpage...
> 
> THANKS! If this works, it is GOLD!
> 
> Also, guys I do appreciate the info about as to just why I simply cannot
> replace the iTunes.app file without disruption to System and general havoc.

One reason is that installing iTunes 10.7 over iTunes 11 with the normal 
Apple installer will not replace some "newer" files. Pacifist with the 
replace option will tak care of that...

Cheers
Andreas

-- 
MacAndreas Rutishauser, <http://www.MacAndreas.ch> 
EDV-Dienstleistungen, Hard- und Software, Internet und Netzwerk
Beratung, Unterstuetzung und Schulung
<mailto:andreas@MacAndreas.ch>, Fon: 044 / 721 36 47

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