Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks?

From	Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.portables, comp.sys.mac.hardware.misc
Subject	Re: Who is going to buy the first Arm (M1) MacBooks?
Date	2020-11-13 10:12 +0000
Organization	Miskatonic U
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In message <uOfrH.514768$RY8.72367@fx48.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> What sort of memery controller Apple uses will matter, especially when

You are talking out of your ass again.

> Asll we know is "unified memory" which is meaningless marketing mumble
> jumble.

No it isn't. the RAM is part of the SoC is what it means.

> It is only once independant testers riun standard benchmarks that we'll
> have an idea of actual performance. Apple's keynote provided nothing of
> value on performance. (look at their graphs, pretty lines, but no
> scale/numbers for each axis).

You obviously didn't pay attention. Again.

> Consider also that the Pro has a fan, the air doesn't. Yet, same CPU,
> same OS. So it is very likely that the Air will be speed throttled due
> to heat

Yes. The mini and the MBP are faster because they have fans, they
specifically said this. The Air is still really really fucking fast.

> while the Pro will see better performance when doing lengthy work.

Let me think of the right word to respond to this. It's tricky. Oh
wait, I've got it,

DUH!

> And it will make for interesting benchmark logic because you have cores
> of different speeds.

No, it won't. Benchmarks run everything t full power and processes don't
get to pick what cores run.

> The 4 slow cores will slow down the average of the 4 fast ones.

The 4 slower cores are twice the speed of the old MacBook Air, so even if
the performance cores never kick in, the new Air is twice the performance
of the old Air and has massive battery gains. In fact, if only the HE
cores are used that would probably increase the battery life even more.

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	sane as he is without being mad.' --Feet of Clay

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