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Re: More mailbox problems with Mail

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On 2017-03-17, Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote:
> In article <ej2ksbF3icgU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Jolly Roger  <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>Ah I see the message you are talking about - something like:
>>
>>Do you want to remove the IMAP account "blah@blah.com" from all your
>>computers using iCloud Keychain or turn it off on only this Mac?
>
> Yep. And below that, it specifically mentioned that it would remove
> the account from both the machine I was on and my MacBook.

IIRC, there are two buttons (besides Cancel) in that dialog box, one of
which deletes it only from the current machine, while the other deletes
it everywhere.

> While it's true that Keychain had nothing directly to do with my Mail
> issue--which was apparently some sort of corrupted information in my
> user settings for Internet accounts--that warning concerned me because
> all was going well on my MacBook and I didn't want to risk that
> changing by removing my Internet account from the MacBook as well.
>
>>It's peculiar that they even mention keychain in that message.
>
> Even stranger now that I turned off iClouc Keychain on my MacBook yet
> I still get that warning if I try to delete an Internet account.

Yeah. It's really just an iCloud feature - not keychain specific.

>>> Firefox remembers passwords just fine for the sites I want it to do
>>> that for.
>>
>>That's not the same thing at all. Both Safai and Firefox have the
>>ability to store credentials *locally*. What iCloud Keychain does is
>>place your remembered credentials securely in the cloud, such that
>>they are shared with all of your Apple devices. 
>
> Yes, I understand that. But once I only have two computers, so once I
> log in to a website on both of them, that's that. (I don't often need
> to log in to anything on the iPhone or iPad.)

Well if that usage pattern ever changes, you'd benefit from enabling the
feature.

>>So you can sign into a web site on your Mac, walk away, and log into
>>the site with your iPad without having to enter any credentials. Also,
>>other apps on your iPad can also get their credentials from iCloud
>>Keychain. So it's a huge productivity booster.
>
> What kind of credentials could a different app get? Apple's page about
> that feature says, "iCloud Keychain keeps your Safari website
> usernames and passwords, credit card information, and Wi-Fi network
> information up to date across all of your approved devices."
>
> My user names and passwords are different for different websites

Same here, and there are far too many for me to bother keeping in my
head. With iCloud Keychain enabled I don't have to remember or type them
manually on each device I own. Also, various apps that I use benefit
from it, because I don't have to manually type in credentials in those
apps. For instance, the Amazon app pulls credentials from the keychain
so you don't have to type them in manually:

<https://i.imgur.com/7LpTc6E.png>

> I rarely use the same credit-card number more than once for online
> purchases

You mean you generate a new number for each purchase you make? Even to
the same store? That sounds like more trouble than it's worth to me. I
used to use Discover's temporary numbers feature to generate a different
number for select online stores; but it was a pain and didn't really
offer any additional security. They eventually discontinued the service
stating as much.

> and my iPhone and iPad reconnect to known Wi-Fi networks just fine. 

I think they are just saying that you wouldn't have to type in the
password the first time a new device joins a network that other devices
have joined.

>>> Some sites I don't allow stored passwords for. I don't use Safari so
>>> have no need for iCloud to store anything for that program.
>>
>>You don't use Safari on your iOS devices? And surely there are other
>>apps that could benefit from accessing credentials in the keychain. I
>>don't think you realize what you are missing.
>
> I use Safari when I need to access a website on my iPhone or iPad, but
> that's rarely one that needs any sort of login.

You must not make a lot of online purchases, or log into your bank(s)
websites, and so on.

> What credentials other than login information are you referring to?

Mainly just the login credentials.

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JR

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  Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-16 15:17 +0000
    Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 13:38 -0400
  Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 13:18 -0400
    Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-16 18:57 +0000
      Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 15:30 -0400
        Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-16 22:19 +0000
          Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 18:44 -0400
            Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-16 22:59 +0000
              Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-16 19:32 -0400
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:41 +0000
              Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-16 23:36 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-17 06:10 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-03-17 03:54 -0400
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-17 17:04 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 15:40 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-17 17:00 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 17:31 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-17 20:51 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-17 22:23 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-18 01:40 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-18 04:16 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2017-03-18 05:18 +0000
                Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-03-18 15:01 +0000
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          Re: More mailbox problems with Mail Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2017-03-17 11:36 -0400

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