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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 5/6/17, 7:17 AM, in article op.yztlzkgwjs98qf@red.lan, "James Wilkinson
Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> wrote:

>>>>>> I hesitate to introduce facts into this stupid discussion, but yes water
>>>>>> is one of those a atypical molecules which expands when transition from
>>>>>> liquid to solid. You application here to explain that global warning
>>>>>> resulting Arctic and Antarctic ice to melt would not cause cause sea
>>>>>> level rise is fundamentally flawed. The reason is that the ice that will
>>>>>> melt has a significant portion resting on *land* and not in the water.
>>>>>> If the ice sheets melt the melt-water will *not* stay on the land.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If all the ice melts, sea levels will increase 4 inches.
>>>> 
>>>> What makes you think four inches?
>>> 
>>> What is it, then?
>> 
>> Please answer the question and then we can look at the evidence.
> 
> Why don't you?  Don't you know?

OK, so this is you directly admitting you cannot support your claim of ocean
level changes. Cool! Now let us see what scientific sites say:

<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level>
    -----
    Sea level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global
    warming: the added water from melting land ice and the expansion of
    sea water as it warms. The first chart tracks the change in sea
    level since 1993 as observed by satellites.

    The second chart, derived from coastal tide gauge data, shows how
    much sea level changed from about 1870 to 2000.
    -----
It, of course, shows the charts of the actual rising from the different data
sources.

<http://climate.org/sea-level-rise-risk-and-resilience-in-coastal-cities>
    -----
    Climate change is already causing sea levels worldwide to rise, and
    we can only expect this trend to continue.  Our best, most current
    science predicts that ice cap melting and thermal expansion of
    seawater will produce a combined average rise of up to 6.6 feet by
    the beginning of the next century.  This level of rise would
    inundate some beaches and overflow many barrier islands that serve
    as natural protection against storm surge from tropical and
    non-tropical cyclones.  It would also raise the risk of tidal
    flooding, and in areas that are expected to see an increase in
    rainfall, flash flooding and river flooding would compound the flood
    risk associated with coastal waters.  The risks of sea level rise to
    coastal cities must be taken seriously, and the kinds of concrete,
    specific, individually tailored flood resilience plans illustrated
    here are a very positive step.  While emissions reductions can
    lessen the magnitude of this impact, some rise is going to occur.
    It is imperative for areas at risk to adapt to this new hazard, and
    fortunately, they are beginning to do just that.  These pioneering
    coastal cities have created plans that offer excellent guidance.
    Hopefully, resilience planners in other locations around the world
    will follow their lead.
    -----
    
<https://www.climate.gov/node/8438>
    -----
    Sea level has been rising over the past century, and the rate has
    increased in recent decades. In 2014, global sea level was 2.6
    inches (67 mm) above the 1993 average‹the highest annual average in
    the satellite record (1993-present). Sea level continues to rise at
    a rate of about one-eighth of an inch (3.2 mm) per year, due to a
    combination of melting glaciers and ice sheets, and thermal
    expansion of seawater as it warms.
    -----
    
To keep this shorter I will just provide URLs for other sources and not
specific quotes for you to read. Really, though, even with the above there
is a LOT more (including references to peer reviewed articles).

<https://www.epa.gov/node/153335>
<https://goo.gl/QrHwrv> [National Geographic]
<http://sealevel.climatecentral.org>
<http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html>

And if that is not enough for you, there is the "Further Reading" and
"External Links" section of this Wikipedia article which will lead you to
far, far more information on the topic:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise#Further_reading>

Now I will admit I have not read though all of those in depth, but I do not
think any of those support the rise is limited to 4 inches. If you DO happen
to find a source to back your claim please let me know!


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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