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| From | Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.sys.mac.system |
| Subject | Re: Apple Is Doomed! |
| Date | 2013-01-24 01:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <CD263FC4.24F34%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> (permalink) |
| References | (17 earlier) <00ACDC66.0D372112@SendSpamHere.ORG> <2013012309333865362-xxx@yyyzzz> <230120131230232256%jimsgibson@gmail.com> <CD262906.24F26%yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> <2013012317014768747-xxx@yyyzzz> |
On 24/01/2013 01:01, in article 2013012317014768747-xxx@yyyzzz, "gtr" <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote: > On 2013-01-23 23:55:50 +0000, Bill Findlay said: >> >> Really? You don't see anything inherently dangerous in people believing in >> "truths" that are transcendentally important? > > Not in the abstract, I don't. There is nothing abstract about crusades, autos da fe, witch burnings and jihads. Those that learn nothing from history learn nothing from history. >> More important than life itself? > > You need a complete sentence to make tha work. I don't find it > inherently dangerous that people believe it "truths that are more > important than life"? No, I don't give a damn what truths they believe > in, the truths, even hypothetically, aren't dangerous: Humans acting on > truths as well as UNTRUTHS is the problem. Actions, not philosophical > fables or mountain-top tablets. Ah, this is like the "guns don't kill people" argument, and equally jejune. How do you distinguish the effect of "truths" from the behaviour of those who act on them as they believe they are commanded to do? You are making a distinction without a difference. >> More important than /other peoples/ lives? So important that killing >> people "for the good of their souls" is an act of benevolence? > > Sorry, I can no longer reconstruct this as a question. In any case I > think you get where I'm coming from regarding beliefs and actions. No, I really don't. Belief is the enemy of humanity, precisely /because/ it results in murderous actions putatively for the "benefit" of the murdered. -- Bill Findlay with blueyonder.co.uk; use surname & forename;
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