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Re: Apple Is Doomed!

From Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Apple Is Doomed!
Date 2013-01-23 15:16 -0800
Message-ID <230120131516543331%jimsgibson@gmail.com> (permalink)
References (17 earlier) <2013012121045975186-xxx@yyyzzz> <00ACDC66.0D372112@SendSpamHere.ORG> <2013012309333865362-xxx@yyyzzz> <230120131230232256%jimsgibson@gmail.com> <NuKdnV3gYaKKzp3MnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>

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In article <NuKdnV3gYaKKzp3MnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Kurt
Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <230120131230232256%jimsgibson@gmail.com>,
>  Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > 
> > If, however, you refuse to get an abortion or allow someone else to get
> > one on religious grounds, you may be doing great harm to yourself,
> > another person, or the unwanted child.
> > 
> 
>  You want to try this again. It seems as though you are suggesting (when 
> you refuse to get an abortion) that someone else should be able to make 
> the decision for you. I am fairly certain that isn't the point you were 
> trying to make. 

I am suggesting that if you would benefit from getting an abortion but
do not because people you trust have told you that it is against your
religion, then you are doing yourself a disservice. If you oppose other
people getting abortions for the same reason, then you are doing them
harm. 

There is no evidence that there is a god who opposes abortion (because
there is no evidence of god at all). Therefore, people who think
abortion is against "god's law" only do so because other people have
told them it is so. They are letting other people make their decision
for them.

Some people oppose abortion on moral grounds having nothing to do with
religion. I have no issue with those people or that decision, although
I disagree with their choice.

-- 
Jim Gibson

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Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-14 12:17 -0500
  Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-14 09:57 -0800
    Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-15 00:23 -0500
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-15 08:53 -0600
        Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-15 07:10 -0800
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Rollo" <rogerl@gmail.com> - 2013-02-28 09:39 -0500
    Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-16 09:54 -0800
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-16 10:54 -0800
        Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-16 13:48 -0800
          Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-16 20:25 -0800
            Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-17 09:24 -0800
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-16 16:59 -0500
        Re: Apple Is Doomed! erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2013-01-17 15:26 -0600
          Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-17 14:14 -0800
            Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-17 15:19 -0700
              Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-17 14:29 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2013-01-17 17:36 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-17 18:13 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:14 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-18 23:33 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-17 17:37 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-02-27 23:24 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-18 12:49 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 10:59 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Thomas R. Kettler" <tkettler@blownfuse.net> - 2013-01-18 13:36 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:56 +0100
              Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-18 03:33 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:23 -0800
            Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-17 18:12 -0500
              Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-17 17:38 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-17 16:56 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-17 18:06 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:30 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-19 09:34 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-19 08:15 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 10:21 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 11:08 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 14:36 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 15:11 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 18:56 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-20 18:33 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-20 22:52 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-21 08:33 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-21 11:59 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-21 22:51 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-20 19:59 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 23:08 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-18 12:43 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-19 09:36 -0600
              Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-01-18 06:26 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 10:39 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 11:05 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 13:22 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-18 10:38 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-18 14:11 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:53 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-19 11:19 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-20 09:27 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-03-04 21:51 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-03-05 18:55 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-03-05 15:20 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 14:34 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 17:25 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-18 18:59 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 18:01 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 20:33 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-18 19:02 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-19 10:09 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-19 19:44 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-19 19:00 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-19 23:29 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-20 10:23 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Juan Anonly <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 10:57 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-20 22:58 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-20 23:10 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-21 22:43 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-21 22:53 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-21 21:04 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-22 13:32 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:31 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-23 13:32 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:28 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed!   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-23 01:18 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 07:34 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:33 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 12:30 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 16:16 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-23 15:16 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-23 19:06 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-23 16:17 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:39 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-24 16:13 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-24 08:26 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-01-23 23:55 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 17:01 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Bill Findlay <yaldnif.w@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2013-01-24 01:32 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 18:29 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-23 20:01 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 09:53 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 11:56 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-24 14:15 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 12:20 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kurt Ullman <kurtullman@yahoo.com> - 2013-01-24 16:57 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 18:02 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 16:57 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-01-24 19:18 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2013-01-24 19:08 -0600
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-24 18:43 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-24 16:36 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed!   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-25 12:00 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-25 08:02 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-24 18:16 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-26 21:01 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jim Gibson <jimsgibson@gmail.com> - 2013-01-28 17:19 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-28 18:16 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-28 19:22 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-30 23:00 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-30 23:13 -0700
                Re: Apple Is Doomed!   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2013-01-23 17:51 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 13:40 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-22 23:40 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:34 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-22 18:10 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-22 23:31 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-23 08:05 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 09:26 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2013-01-23 22:51 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Invid Fan <invid@loclanet.com> - 2013-01-23 23:06 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2013-01-23 21:37 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2013-01-24 05:59 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-03-04 21:55 -0500
              Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-18 15:54 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2013-01-18 17:20 -0500
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2013-01-21 22:48 +0000
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2013-01-23 22:44 +0100
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2013-01-23 20:05 -0800
                Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-01-23 21:23 -0700
  Re: Apple Is Doomed! "D.F. Manno" <dfmanno@mail.com> - 2013-01-14 13:36 -0500
    Re: Apple Is Doomed! Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2013-01-15 11:09 -0500
  Re: Apple Is Doomed! Kevin McMurtrie <mcmurtrie@pixelmemory.us> - 2013-01-14 21:24 -0800
  Re: Apple Is Doomed! Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2013-02-27 23:20 -0500
    Re: Apple Is Doomed! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2013-02-27 23:29 -0500
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-03-01 11:47 -0700
    Re: Apple Is Doomed! Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2013-03-01 11:47 -0700
      Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-03-01 14:49 -0500
        Re: Apple Is Doomed! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2013-03-01 13:02 -0800
          Re: Apple Is Doomed! JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2013-03-01 16:23 -0500
  Re: Apple Is Doomed! "Rollo" <rogerl@gmail.com> - 2013-02-28 09:42 -0500

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