Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM?

From	nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
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Subject	Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM?
Date	2017-05-14 19:26 -0400
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In article <ofanm8$1jjr$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan Baker
<alangbaker@telus.net> wrote:

> >>>>>> Isn't MalwareBytes Anti-Malware unnecessary for the same reason?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's very simple: Use safe computing practices. And don't fit it if it's
> >>>>> not broken. Unless you are experiencing a problem with symptoms that are
> >>>>> tied directly to adware or malware, there is no reason (it's not wise)
> >>>>> to install such utilities on your machine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry, but in what way is it "not wise" to simply install and use a
> >>>> utility such as MalwareBytes Anti-Malware?
> >>>
> >>> because it's not necessary and generally makes things worse.
> >>
> >> No. It does not make things worse.
> >
> > yes it absolutely does.
> 
> Nope.

wrong. anti-malware apps cause more problems than they attempt to
solve. this is *well* documented.

> > bugs in anti-malware apps have caused all sorts of problems over the
> > years and that hasn't changed (nor will it).
> 
> By that argument, you're only safe if you don't actually turn the 
> computer on.

straw man.

> > one of my favourites is when norton quarantined the virtual memory swap
> > files.
> 
> Cite, please...

<https://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/10/symantec_mac_false_alarm/>
  A false positive in Norton AntiVirus (NAV) for Macintosh left many
  Apple fans fearful that their machines had become infected with a
  Trojan last week. The glitch - triggered by a rogue virus definition
  update - left Mac users running various versions of NAV for Mac under
  the false impression that their swap files were infected with malware
  called "Hacktool.Underhand". The bogus warnings were frequently
  accompanied by system crashes on machines running Mac OS X.

<https://discussions.apple.com/thread/709554?start=0&tstart=0>
  And let's not forget, of course, that it is possible for a signature
  to falsely identify a non-harmful file as a "virus." Twice so far,
  Symantec has released signature files that mistakenly believe that an
  ordinary file is a "virus." Once, the file erroneously identified as
  a "virus" was the Mac OS X memory swap file; users who installed this
  update and then "removed" the "virus" caused severe damage to their
  operating systems!

also from the above link, several other fuckups:
  - A bug which can consume all of the space on your hard drive.
  - An extremely serious bug which can destroy your ability to
  authenticate with a password. This means you cannot install software,
  you cannot run Apple Software Update, and you cannot modify the
  system. I have yet to find any solution other than a complete
  reinstall of OS X for this problem.
  - A data-corruption bug which causes it to destroy files when you use
  the Save command from Adobe products such as Photoshop and InDesign.
  The file seems to save OK, but it is corrupted by Norton as it is
  saved. You will not know the file is corrupted until you go to try to
  use it later.

and it ain't just macs:
<https://www.cnet.com/news/flawed-symantec-update-cripples-chinese-pcs/>
  A Symantec antivirus signature update mistakenly quarantined two
  critical system files in the Simplified Chinese version of Windows XP
  last week, crippling PCs throughout China.

> >>> anti-malware apps by their very nature must hook into the lowest levels
> >>> of the system, which means that even the smallest bug can fuck you
> >>> over.
> >>
> >> Nope. That is incorrect. Always on anti-malware might need to do that,
> >> but that's not the only way to use it.
> >
> > it doesn't matter how it's used. it's not needed, not reliable and the
> > biggest problem is that it gives a false sense of security.
> 
> I noted the way you avoided acknowledging that I rebutted the point you 
> made.

you did not.

> > the bad guys are taking advantage of zero-days. you'd need to wait
> > until your anti-malware utility is updated to even be able to detect
> > it.
> 
> Still better than nothing, sorry.

it's actually worse because it's a false sense of security.

> >>>
> >>> the solution is to have a solid backup strategy, so no matter what
> >>> might go wrong, you fix/replace the problem and then restore from your
> >>> backup.
> >>
> >> Also a good idea, but when I can do the occasional check to make sure
> >> that not only is there no catastrophic malware on the system, but also
> >> the annoying "potentially unwanted program"-level malware, I'm happier.
> >
> > a check is not a guarantee of anything.
> 
> No. It's not.

so why bother?

it's a false sense of security. you're not any better off.

> > it's a false sense of security.
> 
> Nope. It's a reasonable step in safeguarding oneself.

not in the least.

you can still be pwned if you click the wrong link.

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                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 16:32 -0700
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                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 00:04 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-15 01:36 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:32 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:33 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 16:14 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:57 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 17:00 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 00:16 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-15 01:39 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 03:14 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-05-15 11:39 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 17:01 +0000
              Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-14 21:16 +0100
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 13:25 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-15 01:53 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 22:10 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 16:05 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:49 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:50 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 16:16 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 00:01 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 17:37 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 01:00 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-15 01:50 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 03:20 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-15 05:23 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 15:11 +0000
              Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-14 16:52 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 14:05 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-14 17:27 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 22:18 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 16:08 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:53 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 16:02 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-14 19:26 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 22:14 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-14 16:08 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-14 23:51 +0000
            Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-05-15 11:25 -0400
              Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 16:48 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-05-15 19:26 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-16 00:15 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-05-16 04:52 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-16 14:30 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-15 20:20 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-16 04:28 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> - 2017-05-16 05:02 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-16 14:32 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2017-05-16 17:39 -0700
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-17 22:14 +0000
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-16 11:55 -0400
                Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2017-05-17 22:13 +0000
              Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-16 09:09 +1200
          Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? "Andre G. Isaak" <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2017-05-14 13:35 -0600
            Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2017-05-14 21:18 +0100
              Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-15 10:07 +1200
            Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2017-05-14 17:04 -0400
            Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 16:20 -0700
          Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2017-05-15 00:46 +0000
            Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2017-05-14 23:47 -0700
  Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-05-14 11:40 +1200
    Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2017-05-14 14:41 +1200
  Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-15 13:13 -0400
  Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-18 14:21 +1200
    Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2017-05-18 09:18 -0400
      Re: Could Mac Files be Ransomwared via Windows XP Running in a VM? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2017-05-19 09:46 +1200

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