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  how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-03 15:13 -0700
    Re: how? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-06-03 15:15 -0700
      Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-03 23:21 -0400
        Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-03 21:58 -0700
          Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 09:57 -0400
            Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-04 07:44 -0700
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 11:32 -0400
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-04 09:10 -0700
                  Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 12:21 -0400
              Re: how? Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-06-15 15:57 -0400
          Re: how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 20:40 -0700
            Re: how? Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-06-05 22:45 -0500
            Re: how? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2011-06-06 08:30 +0100
            Re: how? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-06-06 07:43 -0400
            Re: how? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-06-06 08:31 -0500
        Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-04 09:30 -0500
        Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-04 19:38 +0100
          Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 14:44 -0400
            Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-05 12:05 +0100
              Re: how? Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-06-05 15:48 +0100
                Re: how? dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-06-05 21:56 +0100
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-05 10:55 -0400
        Re: how? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2011-06-10 19:44 +0100
          Re: how? Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> - 2011-06-10 21:31 +0100
            Re: how? your.name@isp.com (Your Name) - 2011-06-11 09:36 +1200
          Re: how? Abu Yahya <abu_yahya@invalid.com> - 2011-06-12 00:00 +0530
    Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:30 -0500
    Re: how? "robin" <robin51@dodo.mapson.com.au> - 2011-06-04 09:32 +1000
      Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:45 -0500
    Re: how? Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2011-06-03 16:42 -0700
      Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-03 18:50 -0500
        Re: how? Priam <priam@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-03 23:05 -0400
          Re: how? Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-06-03 22:42 -0500
            Re: how? Priam <priam@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-04 01:01 -0400
            Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-04 10:05 -0400
          Re: how? George Kerby <ghost_topper@hotmail.com> - 2011-06-04 09:29 -0500
            Re: how? Priam <priam@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-04 14:38 -0400
              Re: how? Priam <priam@nowhere.com> - 2011-06-04 14:54 -0400
    Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-03 16:57 -0700
    Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-03 17:01 -0700
      Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-03 17:08 -0700
    Re: how? Bob Harris <nospam.News.Bob@remove.Smith-Harris.us> - 2011-06-03 20:23 -0400
      Re: how? Tevvin <Tevvin@walksincircles.com> - 2011-06-05 11:44 -0500
        Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-05 18:44 -0400
    Re: how? Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-06-03 22:28 -0500
    Re: how? dividebyzer0 <dividebyzer0@gmail.com> - 2011-06-05 00:16 +0000
      Re: how? Gandalf  Parker <gandalf@the.dead.ISP.of.Community.net> - 2011-06-05 12:51 +0000
        Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-05 15:39 -0700
    Re: how? RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2011-06-05 20:33 -0700
      Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-06 13:40 -0700
        Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-06 15:55 -0700
          Re: how? Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis@gmail.com> - 2011-06-06 16:14 -0700
            Re: how? Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-06-06 23:52 -0400
            Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 12:05 -0700
          Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 12:04 -0700
            Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 13:17 -0700
              Re: how? Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> - 2011-06-07 16:36 -0400
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 17:46 -0700
              Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-07 14:02 -0700
                Re: how? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2011-06-07 17:44 -0700
                  Re: how? JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2011-06-07 22:09 -0400
                  Re: how? your.name@isp.com (Your Name) - 2011-06-08 18:31 +1200
              Re: how? Paul Debrowski <pdebrowski@shitiou.org> - 2011-06-07 21:18 -0400
                Re: how? Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> - 2011-06-11 12:56 -0700
                  Re: how? your.name@isp.com (Your Name) - 2011-06-12 09:30 +1200
                    Re: how? Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> - 2011-06-11 18:44 -0600
    Re: how? AD <isquat@gmail.com> - 2011-06-27 06:38 -0700

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#292

On 06/03/11 17:01, Michelle Steiner so wittily quipped:
> In article
> <00addd67-75e8-4a93-85ed-d6aadba6dae2@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
>   RichD<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was stolen.  He had
>> anti-theft software installed, which snapped pictures at regular
>> intervals through the webcam.
>>
>> Then it said he activated the program remotely, to send him the
>> pictures, and the thief was eventually caught.
>>
>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this 'remote control'?
>> Like,  he sent a virus to the machine, or what?
>
> It's a commercial program that he installed on his own machine.  It's sorta
> like Find My Mac, but it can also take pictures using the built-in camera.
> There are a number of these utilities, from different companies, for sale.
>

nice utilities.

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#293

In article 
<00addd67-75e8-4a93-85ed-d6aadba6dae2@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com
>,
 RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
> 
> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
> caught.
> 
> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
> or what?
> 
> 
> --
> Rich

There is an Open Source laptop finder app called "Pray"
<http://preyproject.com/>

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#319

On 6/3/2011 7:23 PM, Bob Harris wrote:
> In article
> <00addd67-75e8-4a93-85ed-d6aadba6dae2@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com
>> ,
>   RichD<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
>> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
>> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
>>
>> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
>> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
>> caught.
>>
>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
>> or what?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich
>
> There is an Open Source laptop finder app called "Pray"
> <http://preyproject.com/>

I use Prey on my laptop and smartphone, it has all those capabilities 
and a few more. Hopefully I'll never have to really use it, but it's 
there if I need to.

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#322

On 2011-06-05 12:44 , Tevvin wrote:
> On 6/3/2011 7:23 PM, Bob Harris wrote:
>> In article
>> <00addd67-75e8-4a93-85ed-d6aadba6dae2@q12g2000prb.googlegroups.com
>>> ,
>> RichD<r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
>>> stolen. He had anti-theft software installed, which
>>> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
>>>
>>> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
>>> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
>>> caught.
>>>
>>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>>> 'remote control'? Like, he sent a virus to the machine,
>>> or what?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich
>>
>> There is an Open Source laptop finder app called "Pray"
>> <http://preyproject.com/>
>
> I use Prey on my laptop and smartphone, it has all those capabilities
> and a few more. Hopefully I'll never have to really use it, but it's
> there if I need to.

I haven't seen a claim that it is immune to a simple hard disk 
erase/re-format and re-install of OS X.

-- 
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#296

On 11-06-03 5:13 PM, RichD wrote:

> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
> or what?

The owner had a specific utility installed.

I use Undercover (a different product, same idea) on my Macs.

You can get answers to all of the questions you are about to ask here:

  http://www.orbicule.com/undercover/mac/faq.php

Cheers,

-j

-- 
Jeffrey Goldberg          http://goldmark.org/jeff/
I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts
Reply-To address is valid

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#314

In alt.hacker RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
> 
> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
> caught.
> 
> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
> or what?
> 
> 
> --
> Rich

I believe it is a piece of software, designed to work "within" OSX... correct?

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#316

dividebyzer0 <dividebyzer0@gmail.com> contributed wisdom to 
news:isehtg$2hdk$1@adenine.netfront.net: 

>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
>> or what?
> 
> I believe it is a piece of software, designed to work "within" OSX...
> correct? 

This is coming from the alt.hacker (white-hat hackers) newsgroup that was 
included so consider it abit of a hacker viewpoint.

YES there are programs that do what has been requested. And as they 
become popular, 2 things will happen. ONE is that the people taking the 
machines will have easy access to black-hat info on how to spot and 
disarm such programs. They will even have access to downloadable scripts 
meant to search&bypass all of the popular programs for it. TWO is that 
the better ones will turned to the dark side. Someone will use the 
concept in an evil way just as auto-updates become viruses and nanny 
programs become keysniffers. But for now as far as I know they can all 
still be recommended.

The other note Id like to throw in here is, consider doing it yourself. 
Depending on your level of knowledge, how often the machine boots up, and 
what programs usually run. I do my own (on linux but the concept is the 
same). For every operating system thre is a directory or a script that 
basically says "whenever the machine boots up, run these". Add something 
there at least. Have it run something which might tell where it is. Then 
have it try to get you the information.

Such as... on my machine a common user (not even the admin account) 
whenever the machine boots will run a "traceroute" from itself to my ISP 
and email it to me at an account off of that machine. I have others also 
but thats an example.


Gandalf  Parker
-- 
Call ourselves something like "security expert" instead of "hacker"?
Sorry, but saying that security experts and white-hat hackers are the 
same is like saying that house painters and artists do basically the same 
thing.

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#321

On 06/05/11 05:51, Gandalf Parker so wittily quipped:
> dividebyzer0<dividebyzer0@gmail.com>  contributed wisdom to
> news:isehtg$2hdk$1@adenine.netfront.net:
>
>>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>>> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
>>> or what?
>>
>> I believe it is a piece of software, designed to work "within" OSX...
>> correct?
>
> This is coming from the alt.hacker (white-hat hackers) newsgroup that was
> included so consider it abit of a hacker viewpoint.
>
> YES there are programs that do what has been requested. And as they
> become popular, 2 things will happen. ONE is that the people taking the
> machines will have easy access to black-hat info on how to spot and
> disarm such programs. They will even have access to downloadable scripts
> meant to search&bypass all of the popular programs for it. TWO is that
> the better ones will turned to the dark side. Someone will use the
> concept in an evil way just as auto-updates become viruses and nanny
> programs become keysniffers. But for now as far as I know they can all
> still be recommended.
>
> The other note Id like to throw in here is, consider doing it yourself.

related note: that would be like what I described earlier, i.e. writing 
a script that 'dials home' every time you connect to the internet

> Depending on your level of knowledge, how often the machine boots up, and
> what programs usually run. I do my own (on linux but the concept is the
> same). For every operating system thre is a directory or a script that
> basically says "whenever the machine boots up, run these". Add something
> there at least. Have it run something which might tell where it is. Then
> have it try to get you the information.

related note: if you run an ssh server at a fixed location [including 
dynamic DNS] you can have a process attempt to connect to it until it 
succeeds, then hold the connection until it times out, and perpetutally 
attempt to re-connect.  It could then give you full access to the remote 
laptop through an ssh tunnel.

> Such as... on my machine a common user (not even the admin account)
> whenever the machine boots will run a "traceroute" from itself to my ISP
> and email it to me at an account off of that machine. I have others also
> but thats an example.

heh, your way is simpler, and VERY hard to defeat until AFTER it's 
detected (oops, too late, e-mail already sent).  /me considers doing the 
same thing.

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#323

On Jun 3, RichD <r_delaney2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
>
> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
> caught.
>
> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
> or what?

http://tinyurl.com/stolen-mac


--
Rich

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#337

On 06/05/11 20:33, RichD so wittily quipped:
> On Jun 3, RichD<r_delaney2...@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> There was a recent news item, an Apple Mac was
>> stolen.  He had anti-theft software installed, which
>> snapped pictures at regular intervals through the webcam.
>>
>> Then it said he activated the program remotely,
>> to send him the pictures, and the thief was eventually
>> caught.
>>
>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
>> or what?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/stolen-mac

"Kaufman submitted the information to police, but said they were 
unwilling to help and didn't respond to numerous follow-up emails."

our tax dollars at work.

Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts 
because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have 
forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity, i.e. more 
than what most people earn in a year per prisoner.  I guess we'll just 
_HAVE_ to take the law into our own hands, NOW.

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#343

In article <NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts 
> because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have 
> forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,

No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
victimless crimes, and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the 
three-strikes law that sends people to jail for life for stealing a pizza.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#344

Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes:

> In article <NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>  Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:
> 
> > Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts 
> > because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have 
> > forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,
> 
> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
> victimless crimes, and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the 
> three-strikes law that sends people to jail for life for stealing a
> pizza.

Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

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#348

> Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
> someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

"I suppose he would make a decent Congressman, even if he does spell
government 'gummint.'  Teachers and lawyers ought to know how to
spell; not so much soldiers and congressmen."

    Maj. James A. Connelly, in a letter to his wife during the Civil War
(he was a lawyer before and after being a soldier)

-- 
Wes Groleau

   There are two types of people in the world …
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/barrett?itemid=1157

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#352

On 06/06/11 16:14, Doug Anderson so wittily quipped:
> Having the facts on your side never helps when you're arguing with
> someone who thinks it's cutesy to write "gummint."

'gummint' aka 'gums everything up'.  Nothing like a gummint to gum up 
the works, keep people from advancing, hold you in your place, control, 
big nanny, etc.

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#351

On 06/06/11 15:55, Michelle Steiner so wittily quipped:
> In article<NK-dnSGFf8ytpnDQnZ2dnUVZ_j-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>> Oh, and don't forget, California will be letting out a bunch of convicts
>> because the prison system is 'too full', because gummint regs have
>> forced prison costs to skyrocket beyond the level of sanity,
>
> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
> victimless crimes

you mean drug use, right?  I would be all for _NOT_ prosecuting people 
for crimes 'against themselves'.  That's stupid, really.  Let people do 
whatever they want so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.  And no 
publically-funded 'enabling' these people either (I think the latter 
drives the former, public funds that enable these idiots to harm 
themselves, and 'no no you can't do that to yourself' laws that put them 
in prison for it - both are wrong).

> and idiotic mandatory sentencing such as the three-strikes law

if you're stupid enough to commit enough crimes to get sent up for 3 
strikes, capital punishment would be a better sentence, IMBO.  "Get out 
of the gene pool" I say.  FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony, and 3 
strike laws generally require 3 FELONIES, so it has to be so bad that 
the lawyers can't plea-bargain it down.

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#353

In article <boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> > No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating 
> > victimless crimes
> 
> you mean drug use, right? 

Among other things.

>  FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,

In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just 
that crime as a felony.

<http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>

How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three 
convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#354

On 2011-06-07 16:17 , Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article<boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>>> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
>>> victimless crimes
>>
>> you mean drug use, right?
>
> Among other things.
>
>>   FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,
>
> In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just
> that crime as a felony.
>
> <http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>
>
> How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three
> convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>

         THE word commonly used to describe a politician who publicly
         announces he wants to send fewer criminals to prison
         is “loser".

                      - The Economist, 2011.05.26


Nonetheless, in that edition there is an article about how some US 
states are taking a fresh look at the high cost of incarceration, better 
education and followup programs, etc. and finding that it's much cheaper 
to society to keep the less dangerous criminals out of prison.

-- 
gmail originated posts filtered due to spam.

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#357

In article <qoGdnU0s6bshFnPQnZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com>,
 Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> Nonetheless, in that edition there is an article about how some US 
> states are taking a fresh look at the high cost of incarceration, better 
> education and followup programs, etc. and finding that it's much cheaper 
> to society to keep the less dangerous criminals out of prison.

That's been obvious for years; politicians are only now acknowledging the 
fact, though.

-- 
Tea Party Patriots is to Patriotism as 
People's Democratic Republic is to Democracy.

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#355

On 06/07/11 13:17, Michelle Steiner so wittily quipped:
> In article<boqdna1KsaHF63PQnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>   Big Bad Bob<BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>  wrote:
>
>>> No, the prison system is too full because of idiotic laws creating
>>> victimless crimes
>>
>> you mean drug use, right?
>
> Among other things.
>
>>   FYI stealing pizza isn't a felony,
>
> In some circumstances, it can be, and some prosecutors have prosecuted just
> that crime as a felony.
>
> <http://articles.latimes.com/2010/feb/10/local/la-me-pizzathief10-2010feb10>
>
> How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three
> convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>
>

their lawyers must really have sucked.  And of course there must be 
others (that deserved life sentences) who 'walked' (similar injustice).

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In article <g8SdndLlXPB_DHPQnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
 Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

> > How about this one, in which a guy was given a life sentence for three 
> > convictions of fraud, totaling about $230?
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummel_v._Estelle>
> >
> 
> their lawyers must really have sucked.  And of course there must be 
> others (that deserved life sentences) who 'walked' (similar injustice).

Lawyers who argue before the Supreme Court rarely, if ever, suck.

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