Re: how?

Date	2011-06-05 15:39 -0700
From	Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local>
Newsgroups	comp.programming, comp.sys.mac.misc
Subject	Re: how?
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On 06/05/11 05:51, Gandalf Parker so wittily quipped:
> dividebyzer0<dividebyzer0@gmail.com>  contributed wisdom to
> news:isehtg$2hdk$1@adenine.netfront.net:
>
>>> My question is, how the heck did he accomplish this
>>> 'remote control'?  Like,  he sent a virus to the machine,
>>> or what?
>>
>> I believe it is a piece of software, designed to work "within" OSX...
>> correct?
>
> This is coming from the alt.hacker (white-hat hackers) newsgroup that was
> included so consider it abit of a hacker viewpoint.
>
> YES there are programs that do what has been requested. And as they
> become popular, 2 things will happen. ONE is that the people taking the
> machines will have easy access to black-hat info on how to spot and
> disarm such programs. They will even have access to downloadable scripts
> meant to search&bypass all of the popular programs for it. TWO is that
> the better ones will turned to the dark side. Someone will use the
> concept in an evil way just as auto-updates become viruses and nanny
> programs become keysniffers. But for now as far as I know they can all
> still be recommended.
>
> The other note Id like to throw in here is, consider doing it yourself.

related note: that would be like what I described earlier, i.e. writing 
a script that 'dials home' every time you connect to the internet

> Depending on your level of knowledge, how often the machine boots up, and
> what programs usually run. I do my own (on linux but the concept is the
> same). For every operating system thre is a directory or a script that
> basically says "whenever the machine boots up, run these". Add something
> there at least. Have it run something which might tell where it is. Then
> have it try to get you the information.

related note: if you run an ssh server at a fixed location [including 
dynamic DNS] you can have a process attempt to connect to it until it 
succeeds, then hold the connection until it times out, and perpetutally 
attempt to re-connect.  It could then give you full access to the remote 
laptop through an ssh tunnel.

> Such as... on my machine a common user (not even the admin account)
> whenever the machine boots will run a "traceroute" from itself to my ISP
> and email it to me at an account off of that machine. I have others also
> but thats an example.

heh, your way is simpler, and VERY hard to defeat until AFTER it's 
detected (oops, too late, e-mail already sent).  /me considers doing the 
same thing.

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