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  [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 09:44 +1200
    Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2018-04-26 14:47 -0700
      Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 13:25 +1200
        Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2018-04-26 18:44 -0700
          Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:44 +1200
            Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2018-04-27 00:32 -0700
              Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 19:39 +1200
                Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Baker <alangbaker@telus.net> - 2018-04-27 00:48 -0700
                  Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 09:52 +1200
                    Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-28 10:18 +1200
                    Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-04-28 21:48 +0000
        Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-04-26 19:08 -0700
    Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-04-26 17:49 -0400
    Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-26 17:56 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2018-04-26 19:02 -0700
        Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2018-04-27 18:46 +1200
          Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-27 08:42 -0400
            Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2018-04-27 17:42 +0000
          Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2018-04-27 09:55 -0400
            Re: [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-27 09:58 -0400

#6364 — [NEWS] 72% employes choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".

From MacRumors.com ...


    72% of Enterprise Employees Choose Macs Over PCs,
    75% Pick iOS Devices Over Android
    -------------------------------------------------
    Among enterprise organizations that allow employees to choose
    their equipment of choice, Apple is becoming an increasingly
    popular choice, according to new survey information shared
    this morning by Apple IT management platform Jamf.

    52 per cent of enterprise organizations let employees choose
    their computers, while 49 per cent let employees choose their
    mobile devices.

    Of those organizations, 72 per cent of employees included in
    Jamf's survey chose Mac, while 28 percent chose PC. As for
    mobile devices, 75 per cent of respondents chose an iPhone or
    an iPad, while just 25 per cent opted for an Android device.

    According to employees, the ability to choose their operating
    systems and devices of choice makes them more productive. 68
    per cent said choice improves productivity, and 77 per cent
    said they're more likely to stay with a company that offers
    device choice.

    "When it comes to attracting and retaining top talent in the
    enterprise, the job landscape is more competitive than ever,"
    said Dean Hager, CEO, Jamf. "And, with the highest global
    talent shortage in 10 years, it's no wonder that a major
    priority for enterprise organizations is to create the
    ultimate employee experience. When employers combine the
    freedom of technology choice with Apple, the results are
    stronger employee retention, productivity and job
    satisfaction."

    Jamf's survey was conducted in March of 2018 and includes
    responses from 580 executives, managers, and IT professionals
    from organizations around the world.

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#6365

On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
> 
> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to survey, 
> making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and the 
> "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always with 
> silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".

So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
conclusions, do you?

> 
>  From MacRumors.com ...
> 
> 
>     72% of Enterprise Employees Choose Macs Over PCs,
>     75% Pick iOS Devices Over Android
>     -------------------------------------------------
>     Among enterprise organizations that allow employees to choose
>     their equipment of choice, Apple is becoming an increasingly
>     popular choice, according to new survey information shared
>     this morning by Apple IT management platform Jamf.
> 
>     52 per cent of enterprise organizations let employees choose
>     their computers, while 49 per cent let employees choose their
>     mobile devices.
> 
>     Of those organizations, 72 per cent of employees included in
>     Jamf's survey chose Mac, while 28 percent chose PC. As for
>     mobile devices, 75 per cent of respondents chose an iPhone or
>     an iPad, while just 25 per cent opted for an Android device.
> 
>     According to employees, the ability to choose their operating
>     systems and devices of choice makes them more productive. 68
>     per cent said choice improves productivity, and 77 per cent
>     said they're more likely to stay with a company that offers
>     device choice.
> 
>     "When it comes to attracting and retaining top talent in the
>     enterprise, the job landscape is more competitive than ever,"
>     said Dean Hager, CEO, Jamf. "And, with the highest global
>     talent shortage in 10 years, it's no wonder that a major
>     priority for enterprise organizations is to create the
>     ultimate employee experience. When employers combine the
>     freedom of technology choice with Apple, the results are
>     stronger employee retention, productivity and job
>     satisfaction."
> 
>     Jamf's survey was conducted in March of 2018 and includes
>     responses from 580 executives, managers, and IT professionals
>     from organizations around the world.
> 
> 
> 

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#6368 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> 
>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
> 
> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
> conclusions, do you?

You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.

Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.

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#6370 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, 
>>> and the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as 
>>> always with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>
>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>> conclusions, do you?
> 
> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.

No, actually.

> 
> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, the 
> survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people in 
> China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.

But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.

Don't be more obtuse than you must be.

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#6374 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>> 
>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>> conclusions, do you?
>> 
>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
> 
> No, actually.
> 
>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
>> in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.
> 
> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.

Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
nothing more, nothing less.

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#6377 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, 
>>>>> and the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as 
>>>>> always with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>
>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>
>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>
>> No, actually.
>>
>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of 
>>> people in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any 
>>> choice at all.
>>
>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
> 
> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... nothing 
> more, nothing less.
> 

So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...

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#6378 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 07:32:08 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>> 
>>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>> 
>>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>> 
>>> No, actually.
>>> 
>>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>>>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>>>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
>>>> in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.
>>> 
>>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
>> 
>> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
>> nothing more, nothing less.
> 
> So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...

No, what I said was the survey proved "72% of the 580 people they 
bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... it does not remotely show that "72% of 
employees prefer Macs".

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#6379 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 12:39 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-04-27 07:32:08 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> 
>> On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and 
>>>>>>> money, and the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as 
>>>>>>> fact, as always with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>>>
>>>> No, actually.
>>>>
>>>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results 
>>>>> actually mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even 
>>>>> ignoring that, the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores 
>>>>> billions of people in China and Africa who are "employees" and 
>>>>> don't get any choice at all.
>>>>
>>>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
>>>
>>> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
>>> nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...
> 
> No, what I said was the survey proved "72% of the 580 people they 
> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... it does not remotely show that "72% of 
> employees prefer Macs".

No. What the survey said was:

"72 percent of employees who are offered the choice between Mac and PC 
chose Mac"

The fact that they asked 580 people what the preferences were within 
their respective organizations doesn't equate to "72% of the 580 people"

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#6387 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 07:48:26 +0000, Alan Baker said:

> On 2018-04-27 12:39 AM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2018-04-27 07:32:08 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> 
>>> On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>>>>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>>>>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>>>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, actually.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>>>>>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>>>>>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
>>>>>> in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
>>>> 
>>>> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
>>>> nothing more, nothing less.
>>> 
>>> So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...
>> 
>> No, what I said was the survey proved "72% of the 580 people they 
>> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... it does not remotely show that "72% of 
>> employees prefer Macs".
> 
> No. What the survey said was:
> 
> "72 percent of employees who are offered the choice between Mac and PC 
> chose Mac"
> 
> The fact that they asked 580 people what the preferences were within 
> their respective organizations doesn't equate to "72% of the 580 people"

Statistically manipulating the *real* results by multiplying or using 
percentages does *NOT* make it an actual fact for everyone and is not 
even remotely accurate reporting. It's simply a guesstimate or 
probability at best.

The *real* results of the survey *are* "72% of the 580 people we 
bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... nothing more, nothing less.

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#6388 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 21:52:59 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2018-04-27 07:48:26 +0000, Alan Baker said:
> 
>> On 2018-04-27 12:39 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-04-27 07:32:08 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>>>>>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>>>>>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>>>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>>>>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, actually.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>>>>>>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>>>>>>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
>>>>>>> in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
>>>>> nothing more, nothing less.
>>>> 
>>>> So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...
>>> 
>>> No, what I said was the survey proved "72% of the 580 people they 
>>> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... it does not remotely show that "72% of 
>>> employees prefer Macs".
>> 
>> No. What the survey said was:
>> 
>> "72 percent of employees who are offered the choice between Mac and PC 
>> chose Mac"
>> 
>> The fact that they asked 580 people what the preferences were within 
>> their respective organizations doesn't equate to "72% of the 580 people"
> 
> Statistically manipulating the *real* results by multiplying or using 
> percentages does *NOT* make it an actual fact for everyone and is not 
> even remotely accurate reporting. It's simply a guesstimate or 
> probability at best.
> 
> The *real* results of the survey *are* "72% of the 580 people we 
> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... nothing more, nothing less.

Here's how you *properly* report a survey's results ...

    "The gist: The typical PC gamer isn't that typical.
     Sure, 48 percent of the respondents were in their
     20s or 30s, for instance, ..."

Note the "of respondents" ... they aren't trying to pretend the survey 
results are for everyone on the planet, only those actually asked in 
the survey!

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#6396 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

In message <pc063p$10p5$1@gioia.aioe.org> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2018-04-27 07:48:26 +0000, Alan Baker said:

>> On 2018-04-27 12:39 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2018-04-27 07:32:08 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>> 
>>>> On 2018-04-26 11:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2018-04-27 01:44:38 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 6:25 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>>>>>>>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>>>>>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>>>>>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>>>>>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>>>>>>>> conclusions, do you?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
>>>>>>> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, actually.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
>>>>>>> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly. Even ignoring that, 
>>>>>>> the survey was highly biased anyway since it ignores billions of people 
>>>>>>> in China and Africa who are "employees" and don't get any choice at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But it was a survey precisely ABOUT choice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yep, the choice of less than 600 people they bothered to ask ... 
>>>>> nothing more, nothing less.
>>>> 
>>>> So you admit your comments about people with no choice were irrelevant...
>>> 
>>> No, what I said was the survey proved "72% of the 580 people they 
>>> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... it does not remotely show that "72% of 
>>> employees prefer Macs".
>> 
>> No. What the survey said was:
>> 
>> "72 percent of employees who are offered the choice between Mac and PC 
>> chose Mac"
>> 
>> The fact that they asked 580 people what the preferences were within 
>> their respective organizations doesn't equate to "72% of the 580 people"

> Statistically manipulating the *real* results by multiplying or using 
> percentages does *NOT* make it an actual fact for everyone and is not 
> even remotely accurate reporting. It's simply a guesstimate or 
> probability at best.

You're letting your ignorance show.

> The *real* results of the survey *are* "72% of the 580 people we 
> bothered to ask perfer Macs" ... nothing more, nothing less.

Nope. You are wrong, uniformed, and willfully ignorant.


-- 
"Don't be nice. It's Creepy."

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#6372 — Re: [NEWS] 72% employees choose Mac, 75% choose iOS

On 2018-04-27 01:25:13 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2018-04-26 21:47:43 +0000, Alan Baker said:
>> On 2018-04-26 2:44 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>> 
>> So you have to poll every single person on the planet to reach any 
>> conclusions, do you?
> 
> You do if you want remotely *accurate* conclusions attributable to 
> everyone ... although even then you'll get people who will lie.
> 
> Surveying less than 600 people and then claiming the results actually 
> mean anything for everyone is moronically silly.

It certainly is for people who know nothing about sampling.

> Even ignoring that, the survey was highly biased anyway since it 
> ignores billions of people in China and Africa who are "employees" and 
> don't get any choice at all.

I can't know the fine detail of the study, nor do you, but what you 
call "biased" most researchers would call "focused".  The study was 
based on "what people choose", so inclusion of those who aren't allowed 
a choice would be out of range of the study.

Why not include participants who don't use computers or mobile devices. 
Would that be "less biased"?

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#6366

On 2018-04-26 17:44, Your Name wrote:
> 
> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to survey, 
> making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and the 
> "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always with 
> silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".

580 execs, managers, IT critters ... could represent 10,000 ... or many 
much more end users, however.

> 
>  From MacRumors.com ...
> 
> 
>     72% of Enterprise Employees Choose Macs Over PCs,
>     75% Pick iOS Devices Over Android
>     -------------------------------------------------
>     Among enterprise organizations that allow employees to choose
>     their equipment of choice, Apple is becoming an increasingly
>     popular choice, according to new survey information shared
>     this morning by Apple IT management platform Jamf.
> 
>     52 per cent of enterprise organizations let employees choose
>     their computers, while 49 per cent let employees choose their
>     mobile devices.
> 
>     Of those organizations, 72 per cent of employees included in
>     Jamf's survey chose Mac, while 28 percent chose PC. As for
>     mobile devices, 75 per cent of respondents chose an iPhone or
>     an iPad, while just 25 per cent opted for an Android device.
> 
>     According to employees, the ability to choose their operating
>     systems and devices of choice makes them more productive. 68
>     per cent said choice improves productivity, and 77 per cent
>     said they're more likely to stay with a company that offers
>     device choice.
> 
>     "When it comes to attracting and retaining top talent in the
>     enterprise, the job landscape is more competitive than ever,"
>     said Dean Hager, CEO, Jamf. "And, with the highest global
>     talent shortage in 10 years, it's no wonder that a major
>     priority for enterprise organizations is to create the
>     ultimate employee experience. When employers combine the
>     freedom of technology choice with Apple, the results are
>     stronger employee retention, productivity and job
>     satisfaction."
> 
>     Jamf's survey was conducted in March of 2018 and includes
>     responses from 580 executives, managers, and IT professionals
>     from organizations around the world.
> 
> 
> 


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#6367

In article <pbth70$12iq$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to 
> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and 
> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always 
> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".

go learn something about surveys.

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#6371

On 2018-04-26 21:56:11 +0000, nospam said:

> In article <pbth70$12iq$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
> 
> go learn something about surveys.

Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.

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#6375

On 2018-04-27 02:02:37 +0000, gtr said:
> On 2018-04-26 21:56:11 +0000, nospam said:
>> In article <pbth70$12iq$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Your Name
>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>> 
>> go learn something about surveys.
> 
> Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
> sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.

I already know all about surveys, statistics, etc. ... I've got a 
university degree that includes it, That's how I know most of them are 
useless and badly run, and NEVER actually accurate, and that the 
reported results are over-hyped and almost meaningless.

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#6380

In article <pbuh0b$52u$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> >>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
> >>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
> >>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
> >>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
> >> 
> >> go learn something about surveys.
> > 
> > Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
> > sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.
> 
> I already know all about surveys, statistics, etc. ... I've got a 
> university degree that includes it, That's how I know most of them are 
> useless and badly run, and NEVER actually accurate, and that the 
> reported results are over-hyped and almost meaningless.

if you actually had paid attention in class (assuming you even went to
class), you wouldn't be saying such garbage.

here's a sample size calculator:
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/>

for 1 million population, 95% confidence and 5% margin of error, you
only need 385 respondents and 666 respondents for a 99% confidence.

the above survey had 580 respondents. in other words, it's quite
accurate.

more here:
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/curiosity/how-many-people-do-i-need-to-tak
e-my-survey/>

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#6385

In message <270420180842565359%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <pbuh0b$52u$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

>> >>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
>> >>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
>> >>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
>> >>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>> >> 
>> >> go learn something about surveys.
>> > 
>> > Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
>> > sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.
>> 
>> I already know all about surveys, statistics, etc. ... I've got a 
>> university degree that includes it, That's how I know most of them are 
>> useless and badly run, and NEVER actually accurate, and that the 
>> reported results are over-hyped and almost meaningless.

> if you actually had paid attention in class (assuming you even went to
> class), you wouldn't be saying such garbage.

> here's a sample size calculator:
> <https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/sample-size-calculator/>

> for 1 million population, 95% confidence and 5% margin of error, you
> only need 385 respondents and 666 respondents for a 99% confidence.

Same for 1 billion people.

Also for 1 trillion people.

for 500 people, you need a sample size of 218.

For 100 people, you need a sample of 80.

> the above survey had 580 respondents. in other words, it's quite
> accurate.

IF the 580 sample is entirely random, yes. Getting a random sample is
*exceedingly* hard.

-- 
"Master, what is the difference between a humanistic, monastic system of
belief in which wisdom is sought by means of an apparently nonsensical
system of questions and answers, and a lot of mystic gibberish made up
on the spur of the moment?" Wen considered this for some time, and a
last said: "A fish!"

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#6383

On 2018-04-27 02:46, Your Name wrote:
> On 2018-04-27 02:02:37 +0000, gtr said:
>> On 2018-04-26 21:56:11 +0000, nospam said:
>>> In article <pbth70$12iq$1@adenine.netfront.net>, Your Name
>>> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
>>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
>>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
>>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
>>>
>>> go learn something about surveys.
>>
>> Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
>> sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.
> 
> I already know all about surveys, statistics, etc. ... I've got a 
> university degree that includes it, That's how I know most of them are 
> useless and badly run, and NEVER actually accurate, and that the 
> reported results are over-hyped and almost meaningless.

You seem to be in the category of people who study hard to pass a class, 
and do, even well, without ever understanding it.

-- 
"2/3 of Donald Trump's wives were immigrants.  Proof that we
  need immigrants to do jobs that most Americans wouldn't do."
                                           - unknown protester

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#6384

In article <EfSdnUIAFakrtn7HnZ2dnUU7-aednZ2d@giganews.com>, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> >>>> At least that's true for the measely 580 people they bothered to
> >>>> survey, making the whole thing a complete waste of time and money, and
> >>>> the "results" simply a load of bollocks reported as fact, as always
> >>>> with silly "surveys" / "polls" / "studies".
> >>>
> >>> go learn something about surveys.
> >>
> >> Specifically check the chapter on "sampling". If you want to attack 
> >> sampling it won't be by the total base, but by the myriad other factors.
> > 
> > I already know all about surveys, statistics, etc. ... I've got a 
> > university degree that includes it, That's how I know most of them are 
> > useless and badly run, and NEVER actually accurate, and that the 
> > reported results are over-hyped and almost meaningless.
> 
> You seem to be in the category of people who study hard to pass a class, 
> and do, even well, without ever understanding it.

he didn't say he passed the class. 

he simply said his (unspecified) degree 'includes it'.

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