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  [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-05 13:15 +1300
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-05 07:25 +0100
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 09:12 -0500
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-05 15:26 +0100
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 14:52 -0500
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 20:42 +0000
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 16:17 -0500
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 22:07 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 18:08 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-06 17:45 +1300
                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 08:07 +0000
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-06 16:23 +0000
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2024-03-06 17:25 +0000
                      Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was-  [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-13 07:55 +0000
                        Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was-  [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-13 16:40 +0000
                          Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - dgb (David) <david@nomale.afraid.org> - 2024-03-13 17:10 +0000
                            Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-13 10:46 -0700
                            Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-14 00:03 +0000
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-07 09:55 +1300
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 21:20 +0000
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:50 -0800
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 18:22 -0500
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:17 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:08 +0100
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:14 -0500
                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:16 -0500
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:36 -0800
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:45 -0500
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:40 -0800
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 09:46 -0500
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:23 -0700
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 07:49 -0500
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 10:27 -0500
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 17:20 -0500
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:24 -0700
                            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 17:53 -0400
                              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 15:50 -0700
                                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 19:29 -0400
                                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 17:38 -0700
                                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-12 18:33 -0400
                                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-12 16:07 -0700
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:07 +0100
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:20 -0500
                  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
                    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:18 -0500
                      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:37 -0800
                        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:47 -0500
                          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:41 -0800
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:06 +0100
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:18 -0500
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2024-03-05 17:48 +0000
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 15:02 -0500
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:51 -0800
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 17:48 -0500
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:18 -0800
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:18 -0500
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:09 -0500

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#9091 — [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models

New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less 
differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the 
"Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\


    Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
    <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>

    Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
    
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/> 

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#9092

Am 05.03.24 um 01:15 schrieb Your Name:
> 
> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less
> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the
> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\

The differentiator has never been the CPU.

-- 
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

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#9093

On 2024-03-04 19:15, Your Name wrote:
> 
> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less 
> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the 
> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\
> 
> 
>     Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
>     <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>
> 
>     Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/>

Look at the options and memory (RAM and storage) for the real story.

The low end version of this has 8GB of RAM.  Wholly inadequate.
512 GB of SSD.  Barely adequate.

16 GB is barely adequate and 24 GB is the most you can get.  And 
compared to commodity value of memory (even of this level), it's grossly 
expensive.  Worse for SSD.

-- 
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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#9094

On 05.03.24 15:12, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-03-04 19:15, Your Name wrote:
>>
>> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less 
>> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the 
>> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\
>>
>>
>>     Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
>>     <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>
>>
>>     Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/>
> 
> Look at the options and memory (RAM and storage) for the real story.
> 
> The low end version of this has 8GB of RAM.  Wholly inadequate.
> 512 GB of SSD.  Barely adequate.

Your contribution in this thread: Completely inadequate and no
understanding of the Silicon-Architecture at all.


-- 
"Manus manum lavat."

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#9096

On 2024-03-05 09:26, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 05.03.24 15:12, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-03-04 19:15, Your Name wrote:
>>>
>>> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less
>>> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the
>>> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\
>>>
>>>
>>>      Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
>>>      <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>
>>>
>>>      Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
>>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/>
>>
>> Look at the options and memory (RAM and storage) for the real story.
>>
>> The low end version of this has 8GB of RAM.  Wholly inadequate.
>> 512 GB of SSD.  Barely adequate.
> 
> Your contribution in this thread: Completely inadequate and no
> understanding of the Silicon-Architecture at all.

Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of 
apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on 
this - as it does on most subjects.

-- 
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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#9098

On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
> this - as it does on most subjects.

I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
Apple Store.

When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
each make you /feel/ please?

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#9099

On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>> this - as it does on most subjects.
> 
> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
> Apple Store.
> 
> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
> each make you /feel/ please?

Hard to answer.

The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels 
cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and 
contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look 
perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.

It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at 
least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the 
24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes 
which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is 
likely more a personal thing so YMMV.

4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font 
sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics 
usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.

I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very 
nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very 
nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video 
work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.

Still a killer processor.  But.

When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious. 
Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher 
spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to 
Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).

At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and 
display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort 
display.

So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen, 
sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed 
to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi 
development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when 
using this iMac M3).

-- 
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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#9102

On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>> 
>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
>> Apple Store.
>> 
>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
>> each make you /feel/ please?
> 
> Hard to answer.
> 
> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
> 
> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
> 
> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
> 
> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
> 
> Still a killer processor.  But.
> 
> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
> 
> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
> display.
> 
> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
> using this iMac M3).

Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.

My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to change
it.
However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on to Sonoma.
I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide another 27 inch desktop
computer before this one dies! I'm also using an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux
Mint and it does this quite well.
I'm impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac!
Good for you! :-)

(ACW added for info to others)

-- 
David

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#9104

On 2024-03-05 17:07, dgb (David) wrote:
> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>>>
>>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
>>> Apple Store.
>>>
>>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
>>> each make you /feel/ please?
>>
>> Hard to answer.
>>
>> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
>> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
>> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
>> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
>>
>> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
>> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
>> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
>> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
>> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
>>
>> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
>> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
>> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
>>
>> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
>> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
>> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
>> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
>>
>> Still a killer processor.  But.
>>
>> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
>> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
>> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
>> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
>>
>> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
>> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
>> display.
>>
>> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
>> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
>> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
>> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
>> using this iMac M3).
> 
> Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.

Hope it helps you.

> 
> My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to change
> it.

I'd consider that to be a pretty good rig.

There are ways to load up to date OS' on older machines such as:
https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/

(I'm not sure if that is the best way - do YOUR research before diving 
in.  More importantly do a full backup first!).

> However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on to Sonoma.
> I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide another 27 inch desktop
> computer before this one dies! I'm also using an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux
> Mint and it does this quite well.

I'm out of Linux projects at present.  OTOH, I can't get Ubuntu to run 
properly on the M3 under Fusion.  (It works - but I can't drag files 
into or out of it.  Will need to network it instead).

My Pi project can be cross-compiled on the i7 or M3, so don't need Linux 
much.

> I'm impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac!
> Good for you! :-)

It's a nice display!  And maybe someone will want the motherboard and 
RAM from the iMac.  (I doubt it...).

-- 
“Markets can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

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#9108

On 2024-03-05 22:07:29 +0000, dgb (David) said:

> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>>> 
>>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
>>> Apple Store.
>>> 
>>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
>>> each make you /feel/ please?
>> 
>> Hard to answer.
>> 
>> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
>> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
>> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
>> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
>> 
>> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
>> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
>> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
>> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
>> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
>> 
>> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
>> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
>> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
>> 
>> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
>> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
>> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
>> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
>> 
>> Still a killer processor.  But.
>> 
>> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
>> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
>> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
>> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
>> 
>> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
>> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
>> display.
>> 
>> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
>> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
>> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
>> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
>> using this iMac M3).
> 
> Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.
> 
> My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to change
> it.
> However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on to Sonoma.
> I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide another 27 inch desktop
> computer before this one dies! I'm also using an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux
> Mint and it does this quite well.
> I'm impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac!
> Good for you! :-)
> 
> (ACW added for info to others)

The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in 
iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up 
from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.

You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever 
screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the 
screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.

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#9109

On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-05 22:07:29 +0000, dgb (David) said:
> 
>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>>>> 
>>>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our local
>>>> Apple Store.
>>>> 
>>>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>>>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? How does
>>>> each make you /feel/ please?
>>> 
>>> Hard to answer.
>>> 
>>> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
>>> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
>>> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
>>> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
>>> 
>>> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
>>> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
>>> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
>>> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
>>> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
>>> 
>>> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
>>> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
>>> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
>>> 
>>> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
>>> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
>>> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
>>> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
>>> 
>>> Still a killer processor.  But.
>>> 
>>> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
>>> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
>>> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
>>> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
>>> 
>>> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
>>> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
>>> display.
>>> 
>>> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
>>> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
>>> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
>>> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
>>> using this iMac M3).
>> 
>> Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.
>> 
>> My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to change
>> it.
>> However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on to Sonoma.
>> I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide another 27 inch desktop
>> computer before this one dies! I'm also using an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux
>> Mint and it does this quite well.
>> I'm impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac!
>> Good for you! :-)
>> 
>> (ACW added for info to others)
> 
> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.

That is my understanding too. 

> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.

My Professor friend has done exactly that!
The Studio Display is just wonderful - but expensive!
With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need to have
lots of on-board storage nowadays.

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#9113

On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
>
> That is my understanding too. 
>
>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
>
> My Professor friend has done exactly that!  The Studio Display is just
> wonderful - but expensive!

Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
It's worth every penny I paid for it.

> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.

Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.

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#9114

On 2024-03-06, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-06, dgb <david@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
>>
>> That is my understanding too. 
>>
>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
>>
>> My Professor friend has done exactly that!  The Studio Display is just
>> wonderful - but expensive!
>
> Best display I've ever owned. I have it sitting next to a 5K LG
> UltraFine display, and it's striking how much better the Studio Display
> is in just about every way: color accuracy, viewing angle, backlight
> consistency, overall build quality, audio quality, and camera quality.
> It's worth every penny I paid for it.
>
>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need
>> to have lots of on-board storage nowadays.
>
> Personally, I can't really function without at least 2 TB of internal
> storage, but I know I'm not representative of the average user.
>
It's an amazing display. Super clear, bright vivid colors and easy on the eyes. Even looking at 
monitors in the big box stores where nothing tends to be adjusted properly, Apple monitors look 
fantastic. I do think part of it has to do with the fonts Apple uses. I don't know for sure though.

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#9166 — Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was- [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models)

Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive

An explanation for "Jolly Roger"!

https://eclecticlight.co/2024/03/13/desktop-documents-folders-in-icloud-drive/

I hope this helps!

-- 
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#9168 — Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. - (was- [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models) (was: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models)

On 2024-03-13, dgb <david@nomale.afraid.org> wrote:
> Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive
>
> An explanation for "Jolly Roger"!

I know more about iCloud Drive than you ever will, dumbo.

> I hope this helps!

Your link doesn't dispute anything I've said about the topic. Fuck off.

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#9169 — Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. -

On 13 Mar 2024 at 16:40:07 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-13, dgb <david@nomale.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive
>> 
>> An explanation for "Jolly Roger"!
> 
> I know more about iCloud Drive than you ever will.

I didn't write the article. Do you think you know as much as Howard Oakley?

>> I hope this helps!
> 
> Your link doesn't dispute anything I've said about the topic.

Then help me with this, please.

In Terminal, type " system_profiler "  (no quotes)
and let it run.

In the generated output do you see an entry like this?

/Library/HTTPStorages/com.apple.ctcategories.service

And/or

/Library/HTTPStorages/com.apple.ctcategories.service

Please advise.

Thanks.

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#9170 — Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. -

On 2024-03-13 10:10, dgb (David) wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2024 at 16:40:07 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-03-13, dgb <david@nomale.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive
>>>
>>> An explanation for "Jolly Roger"!
>>
>> I know more about iCloud Drive than you ever will.
> 
> I didn't write the article. Do you think you know as much as Howard Oakley?
> 
>>> I hope this helps!
>>
>> Your link doesn't dispute anything I've said about the topic.
> 
> Then help me with this, please.

Why would anyone help an asshole like you?

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#9171 — Re: Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive. -

On 2024-03-13, dgb <david@nomale.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2024 at 16:40:07 GMT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-13, dgb <david@nomale.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Desktop & Documents Folders in iCloud Drive
>>> 
>>> An explanation for "Jolly Roger"!
>> 
>> I know more about iCloud Drive than you ever will.
>
> I didn't write the article.

I don't give a shit.
>
>>> I hope this helps!
>> 
>> Your link doesn't dispute anything I've said about the topic.
>
> Then help me with this, please.

Nah. Fuck off.

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#9115

On 2024-03-06 08:07:38 +0000, dgb (David) said:
> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-05 22:07:29 +0000, dgb (David) said:
>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>>>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>>>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>>>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our 
>>>>> local Apple Store.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>>>>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of? 
>>>>> How does each make you /feel/ please?
>>>> 
>>>> Hard to answer.
>>>> 
>>>> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
>>>> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
>>>> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
>>>> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
>>>> 
>>>> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
>>>> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
>>>> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
>>>> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
>>>> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
>>>> 
>>>> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
>>>> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
>>>> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
>>>> 
>>>> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
>>>> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
>>>> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
>>>> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
>>>> 
>>>> Still a killer processor.  But.
>>>> 
>>>> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
>>>> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
>>>> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
>>>> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
>>>> 
>>>> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
>>>> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
>>>> display.
>>>> 
>>>> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
>>>> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
>>>> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
>>>> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
>>>> using this iMac M3).
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.
>>> 
>>> My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to 
>>> change it. However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on 
>>> to Sonoma. I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide 
>>> another 27 inch desktop computer before this one dies! I'm also using 
>>> an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux Mint and it does this quite well. I'm 
>>> impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac! Good for you! 
>>> :-)
>>> 
>>> (ACW added for info to others)
>> 
>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
> 
> That is my understanding too.
> 
>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
> 
> My Professor friend has done exactly that!
> The Studio Display is just wonderful - but expensive!
> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need to have
> lots of on-board storage nowadays.

You can buy a build-to-order Mac Mini or Mac Studio with up to 8TB 
internal storage from the Apple Store or a reseller ... if your bank 
account can stand it.

Long gone are the good old days of easily being able to add RAM or 
change drives or graphics cards in a Mac. It not even possible in the 
so-called "Mac Pro tower", making that just another pointless Mac 
model.   :-(

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#9116

On 6 Mar 2024 at 20:55:46 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2024-03-06 08:07:38 +0000, dgb (David) said:
>> On 6 Mar 2024 at 04:45:43 GMT, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-05 22:07:29 +0000, dgb (David) said:
>>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 21:17:11 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-05 15:42, dgb (David) wrote:
>>>>>> On 5 Mar 2024 at 19:52:40 GMT, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since I have an M3 iMac and it uses more memory for the same load of
>>>>>>> apps compared to my i7 iMac, my understanding of it exceeds yours on
>>>>>>> this - as it does on most subjects.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have 27 inch iMac. I've looked and played with a new M3 iMac in our
>>>>>> local Apple Store.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When you have each one of them there in front of you, regardless of the
>>>>>> technicalities, which screen do you prefer to be sitting in front of?
>>>>>> How does each make you /feel/ please?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hard to answer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The resolution quality of the M3 iMac is to the point where pixels
>>>>> cannot be resolved with the naked eye. It is magnificently crisp and
>>>>> contrast perfect at the default setting of 2240 x 1260.  All fonts look
>>>>> perfectly smooth.  Very easy on the eyes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is usable at 2560 x 1440, but only if the screen is pretty close (at
>>>>> least with my eyes - I don't need glasses to read, but this rez on the
>>>>> 24" iMac is just a little too tight (unless I would increase font sizes
>>>>> which would be pretty much a return to the other resolution)).  This is
>>>>> likely more a personal thing so YMMV.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4480 x 2520 is not usable, really.  Again one could blow up the font
>>>>> sizes for reading - but not much point to it.  Perhaps in some graphics
>>>>> usages and workflow this would be a useful resolution.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would have preferred 27".  On the i7 iMac 27", 2560x1440 and it's very
>>>>> nice.  Lean in and you can see pixels.  Lean in mind you.  It's a very
>>>>> nice display on that old 2012 iMac (not Retina).  For all non-video
>>>>> work, the 2012 iMac suited my needs just fine.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a killer processor.  But.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When editing/rendering 1080p video of any length, it is too tedious.
>>>>> Such on the M3 iMac is a whiz.  (Though I still wish it was a higher
>>>>> spec in number of cores).  As a benchmark, it is almost 3x faster to
>>>>> Handbrake a video on the M3 v. the i7 iMac (2012).
>>>>> 
>>>>> At some point I will gut the 27" of everything but the power supply and
>>>>> display panel and add an adaptor to turn it into an HDMI or DisplayPort
>>>>> display.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So in the end one makes adjustments to "real estate" on the screen,
>>>>> sizing of App windows, what goes to the side display (which I've changed
>>>>> to a Samsung 27" that I normally use for home lab use (Rasp Pi
>>>>> development).  It's so wide, that I only use the right 60% of it when
>>>>> using this iMac M3).
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you so much for all the interesting detail, Alan.
>>>> 
>>>> My own is a 2017 iMac with a Retina display and I really don't want to
>>>> change it. However, I'm using macOS Ventura 13.6.4 and cannot move on
>>>> to Sonoma. I'm living in the hope that Apple may one day provide
>>>> another 27 inch desktop computer before this one dies! I'm also using
>>>> an old 24 inch iMac to run Linux Mint and it does this quite well. I'm
>>>> impressed with your intention to repurpose your old iMac! Good for you!
>>>> :-)
>>>> 
>>>> (ACW added for info to others)
>>> 
>>> The current reports say Apple are not planning on making a new 27in
>>> iMac or iMac Pro any time soon. There are dubious rumours that pop up
>>> from time to time, including going to 32in iMac.
>> 
>> That is my understanding too.
>> 
>>> You could of course buy a Mac Mini or Mac Studio and add whatever
>>> screen size you want. Not an "all-in-one", but depending on the
>>> screen's base or using a display stand, it can almost be.
>> 
>> My Professor friend has done exactly that!
>> The Studio Display is just wonderful - but expensive!
>> With iCloud storage being relatively cheap, there's no (apparent) need to have
>> lots of on-board storage nowadays.
> 
> You can buy a build-to-order Mac Mini or Mac Studio with up to 8TB
> internal storage from the Apple Store or a reseller ... if your bank
> account can stand it.

Ha! Understood.  :-)

> Long gone are the good old days of easily being able to add RAM or
> change drives or graphics cards in a Mac. It not even possible in the
> so-called "Mac Pro tower", making that just another pointless Mac
> model.   :-(

Thank you for emphasising that. Many folk get caught out by this.

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