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  Apple, a Trendsetter No More Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-15 09:42 -0500
    Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:11 +1300
      Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2016-11-16 12:34 +0000
        Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> - 2016-11-16 08:41 -0500
          Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-11-16 14:29 +0000
            Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More android <here@there.was> - 2016-11-16 15:41 +0100
              Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-17 09:09 +1300
                Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 21:11 +0000
            Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:00 -0500
        Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:00 -0500
        Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-17 09:05 +1300
      Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 15:55 +0000
      Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More isquat@gmail.com - 2016-11-28 02:35 -0800
        Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-29 09:15 +1300
    Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:17 +1300
    Re: Apple, a Trendsetter No More Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-11-16 14:05 +0000

#5623 — Apple, a Trendsetter No More

The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad

Apple, a Trendsetter No More
http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le

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#5624

In article <o0f6rc$81a$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
<gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad
> 
> Apple, a Trendsetter No More
> http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le

Steve Jobs had an amazing ability to see what should be done and he
also had an electronics background even if he wasn't actually as good
as others (Woz being the original genius behind Apple).

Unfortunately Tim Cook is simply a typical idiot "manager" who knows
very little about the products his company makes and sells, and he is
more interested in sticking his nose into political crap. Johnny Ive is
a case designer who knows nothing about electronics and is obsessed by
making everything thinner.

Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
"usage division". Even the trackpad on laptops made them different to
using a mouse, which is why they had to create the Magic Trackpad as a
"catch-up".   :-\

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#5626

On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:

>
> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
> ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
> "usage division".

Not really, at least not any more than 
3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on 
the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will 
have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or 
laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.

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#5627

On 11/16/16 7:34 AM, Calum wrote:
> On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:
>
>>
>> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
>> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
>> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
>> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
>> ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
>> "usage division".
>
> Not really, at least not any more than
> 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on
> the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will
> have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or
> laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.

Another pointless "feature"-the Touch Bar

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The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character

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#5629

On 2016-11-16, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 11/16/16 7:34 AM, Calum wrote:
>> On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
>>> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
>>> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
>>> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
>>> ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
>>> "usage division".
>>
>> Not really, at least not any more than
>> 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on
>> the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will
>> have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or
>> laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.
>
> Another pointless "feature"-the Touch Bar

Function keys with displays, so they can have context sensitive legends,
are a brilliant idea. And another one Apple stole from Xerox.


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                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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#5630

In article <e938qjFkb20U7@mid.individual.net>,
 Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2016-11-16, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 11/16/16 7:34 AM, Calum wrote:
> >> On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> >>> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> >>> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> >>> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
> >>> ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
> >>> "usage division".
> >>
> >> Not really, at least not any more than
> >> 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on
> >> the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will
> >> have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or
> >> laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.
> >
> > Another pointless "feature"-the Touch Bar
> 
> Function keys with displays, so they can have context sensitive legends,
> are a brilliant idea. And another one Apple stole from Xerox.

And I thought that it was a MS intervention to get the "Ribbons" on the 
keyboard. You know, a doggy in the park thingy...
-- 
teleportation kills

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#5635

In article <here-FDB32D.15410016112016@news.individual.net>, android
<here@there.was> wrote:
> In article <e938qjFkb20U7@mid.individual.net>,
>  Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2016-11-16, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/16/16 7:34 AM, Calum wrote:
> > >> On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> > >>> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> > >>> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> > >>> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
> > >>> ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
> > >>> "usage division".
> > >>
> > >> Not really, at least not any more than
> > >> 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on
> > >> the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will
> > >> have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or
> > >> laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.
> > >
> > > Another pointless "feature"-the Touch Bar
> > 
> > Function keys with displays, so they can have context sensitive legends,
> > are a brilliant idea. And another one Apple stole from Xerox.
> 
> And I thought that it was a MS intervention to get the "Ribbons" on the 
> keyboard. You know, a doggy in the park thingy...

There's a reason why the Function Keys aren't used by most people ...
they're simply useless leftovers from the DOS / Windoze PC world. A
silly little screen that simply means yet somewhere else you have to
look to try and find a piece of functionality you want isn't going to
change that. It's just another useless gimmick by the post-Jobs Apple
that doesn't really know what to do next.   :-(

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#5636

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> It's just another useless gimmick by the post-Jobs Apple
> that doesn't really know what to do next.   :-(

"DOOMED, I tell you!!"

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#5633

In article <e938qjFkb20U7@mid.individual.net>, Huge
<Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> >
> > Another pointless "feature"-the Touch Bar
> 
> Function keys with displays, so they can have context sensitive legends,
> are a brilliant idea. And another one Apple stole from Xerox.

apple didn't steal anything from xerox and xerox never had a context
sensitive touchbar anyway.

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#5632

In article <o0hjog$d1n$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Calum
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:

> 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-this-week Touch. Anything you can do on 
> the touch bar, you can do some other way without it... and that will 
> have to be the case for at least as long as you can buy a new desktop or 
> laptop Mac from Apple that doesn't have one.

new technology has to start somewhere.

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#5634

In article <o0hjog$d1n$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Calum
<com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote:
> On 15/11/2016 20:11, Your Name wrote:
> >
> > Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> > to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> > between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> > too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
> > ... as if the silly Touch Bar gimmick hasn't already created that
> > "usage division".
> 
> Not really, at least not any more than 3D/Force/Whatever-it's-called-
> this-week Touch. Anything you can do on the touch bar, you can do some 
> other way without it... and that will have to be the case for at least 
> as long as you can buy a new desktop or laptop Mac from Apple that
> doesn't have one.

But the same thing could be said for a touchscreen laptop (you can
still use the mouse / trackpad to do the same things), which Schiller
says touchscreen won't be done since it would create a "usage divide"
between the laptop and desktop Mac computers.

Of course, like many many other things, Apple will change it's mind at
some stage and then claim it as being the best thing since than sliced
bread.   :-\

Having said that, personally I don't want a touchscreen Mac. A fat
finger will never, ever be as accurate as a mouse and even using a
stylus is an awful experience because your hand is always blocking part
of the screen ... you'll get a pile of people asking questions and when
give then answer they'll say, "I didn't see that hidden by my hand".

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#5631

On 2016-11-15, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>
> Steve Jobs had an amazing ability
> Tim Cook is simply a typical idiot 
> Johnny Ive is a case designer who knows nothing about electronics
> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot.

"Steve Jobs was an idiot for hiring these idiots. Apple is full of
IDIOTS! GET OFF MY LAWN!!!"

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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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#5657

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:09:54 PM UTC+3, Your Name wrote:
> In article <o0f6rc$81a$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
> <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad
> > 
> > Apple, a Trendsetter No More
> > http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le
> 
> Steve Jobs had an amazing ability to see what should be done and he
> also had an electronics background even if he wasn't actually as good
> as others (Woz being the original genius behind Apple).
> 
> Unfortunately Tim Cook is simply a typical idiot "manager" who knows
> very little about the products his company makes and sells, and he is
> more interested in sticking his nose into political crap. Johnny Ive is
> a case designer who knows nothing about electronics and is obsessed by
> making everything thinner.
> 
> Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
>
Yes. It will be combersome to use. Now go away to your windows crap and
try to make some use of that crap touchscreen.

To be useful on desktop the touch screen has to be exactly that: the desk top,
you get a 40-50" imac and have it embedded in an apple certified desk, work standing.
It's 100% useless when you are sitting and the screen is vertical.

Do you have any idea whatsover about the ergonomics of the bipeds????

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#5658

In article <e0b71451-3cb1-45b2-b7e5-8781622f544d@googlegroups.com>,
<isquat@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 11:09:54 PM UTC+3, Your Name wrote:
> > In article <o0f6rc$81a$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
> > <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad
> > > 
> > > Apple, a Trendsetter No More
> > > http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le
> > 
> > Steve Jobs had an amazing ability to see what should be done and he
> > also had an electronics background even if he wasn't actually as good
> > as others (Woz being the original genius behind Apple).
> > 
> > Unfortunately Tim Cook is simply a typical idiot "manager" who knows
> > very little about the products his company makes and sells, and he is
> > more interested in sticking his nose into political crap. Johnny Ive is
> > a case designer who knows nothing about electronics and is obsessed by
> > making everything thinner.
> > 
> > Phil Schiller also seems to be an idiot. He claims Apple doesn't want
> > to make a touchscreen laptop because it would cause a usage division
> > between the laptop and desktop lines (due to a touchscreen iMac being
> > too cumbersome to use, so one would be touchscreen and the other not)
> 
> Yes. It will be combersome to use. Now go away to your windows crap and
> try to make some use of that crap touchscreen.

I don't use disgusting Windoze.



> To be useful on desktop the touch screen has to be exactly that: the desk top,
> you get a 40-50" imac and have it embedded in an apple certified desk, work
> standing. It's 100% useless when you are sitting and the screen is vertical.
> 
> Do you have any idea whatsover about the ergonomics of the bipeds????

I never said a touchscreen iMac would be ergonomic or even sensible.

I was pointing out that the idiot Schiller (and look up "shill" in a
dictionary) is claiming Apple won't make a touchscreen laptop computer
because that would make the user experience different from a
non-touchscreen desktop computer ... the reality is that using a laptop
and a desktop are *already* different user experiences thanks to the
trackpad (hence Apple made a desktop trackpad) and now they're adding
the silly and rather pointless gimmicky Touch Bar (no doubt a desktop
version of that will arrive at some stage too).

Of course, Apple did long ago already patent the fold-almost-flat
desktop computer design that Microsloth is now pushing as a selling
point of their over-priced crappy new Surface model.

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#5625

In article <o0f6rc$81a$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
<gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad
> 
> Apple, a Trendsetter No More
> http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le

I forgot to say, personally I couldn't care less about Apple being a
silly "trendsetter", but they need to get back to making
user-upgradable computers (rather than simply throw-away consumer
devices) and having a simplified range (having the MacBook AND MacBook
Air is ridiculous).

Being a "trendsetter" has also often been a pain in the backside for
the users (e.g. removing the floppy drive without having any sensible
alternative in place, dorpping and adding ports whenever they feel like
it, etc.).

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#5628

On 2016-11-15, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The Tim Cook era replacing the Steve Jobs era-sad
>
> Apple, a Trendsetter No More
> http://tinyurl.com/gpy77le

"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


-- 
Today is Setting Orange, the 28th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3182
                  I don't have an attitude problem.
    If you have a problem with my attitude, that's your problem.

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