Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models

From	Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.misc, comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models
Date	2024-03-05 13:51 -0800
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On 2024-03-05 12:02, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-03-05 12:48, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 2024 at 9:12:45 AM EST, "Alan Browne" <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-04 19:15, Your Name wrote:
>>>>
>>>> New models of a Mac that is rather pointless. It's now even less
>>>> differentiated from the MacBook Pro models. Apple should just drop the
>>>> "Air" and "Pro" names and have a single "MacBook" product line.  :-\
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      Apple Announces New MacBook Air Models With M3 Chip
>>>>      
>>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/03/04/apple-announces-m3-macbook-air/>
>>>>
>>>>      Apple Quietly Releases New M3 MacBook Air Lineup
>>>> <https://www.idropnews.com/news/apple-quietly-releases-new-m3-macbook-air-lineup/209627/>
>>>
>>> Look at the options and memory (RAM and storage) for the real story.
>>
>> The "real story" being that the Air is the low end MacBook.  Not everyone
>> needs a $4000 laptop.
>>
>>> The low end version of this has 8GB of RAM.  Wholly inadequate.
>>> 512 GB of SSD.  Barely adequate.
>>
>> For you perhaps. More than adequate for most people. Again, this is 
>> the low
>> end MacBook.
>>
>>> 16 GB is barely adequate and 24 GB is the most you can get.  And
>>> compared to commodity value of memory (even of this level), it's grossly
>>> expensive.  Worse for SSD.
>>
>> Except that Arm Macs don't use commodity anything. The 
>> RAM/CPUs/GPUs/NPUs/SSD
>> are all custom and integrated onto a single chip.  So the performance 
>> beats
> 
> The RAM is not integrated onto the chip.  It is soldered onto the chip 
> carrier.  It is commodity LPDDR5 memory from a memory supplier.  In the 
> case of my M3 iMac, the supplier is Micron[1].
> 
> Indeed some people have changed the RAM on their Apple Silicon Macs by 
> heating up the RAM carriers and putting in larger RAM of the same kind. 
> (This requires a lot of skill and the proper solder masks to carry off).
> 
> The SSDs are completely separate chip carriers soldered to the motherboard.
> 
> RAM performance is better due to it being directly mapped to the various 
> IO functions, as such many operations need only pass a pointer to a 
> memory block for output or input rather than shuffle blocks of data 
> between device and system memory (or v-v).  This accounts for a large 
> amount of performance gain.
> 
> However, when I work I always have the same basic list of apps loaded at 
> all times.  With the i7 iMac it uses less memory than the M3 iMac at any 
> given time (on the order of 2 GB more).
> 
> [1] From System Information | Memory:
>    Memory:    24 GB
>    Type:    LPDDR5
>    Manufacturer:    Micron
> 

1. Do they have the same amount of RAM?

2. Do they run the same version of macOS?

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  Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 09:12 -0500
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        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 20:42 +0000
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            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-05 22:07 +0000
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                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2024-03-06 16:23 +0000
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                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2024-03-07 09:55 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models dgb (David) <david@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-06 21:20 +0000
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:50 -0800
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 18:22 -0500
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:17 -0800
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:08 +0100
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:14 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:16 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:36 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:45 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:40 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 09:46 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:23 -0700
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 07:49 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-09 10:27 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 17:20 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 09:24 -0700
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 17:53 -0400
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 15:50 -0700
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-11 19:29 -0400
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-11 17:38 -0700
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-12 18:33 -0400
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-12 16:07 -0700
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:07 +0100
              Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:20 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-07 17:18 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-07 17:37 -0800
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-08 16:47 -0500
                Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-08 16:41 -0800
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2024-03-06 10:06 +0100
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-06 17:18 -0500
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-06 14:24 -0800
    Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2024-03-05 17:48 +0000
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 15:02 -0500
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 13:51 -0800
          Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2024-03-05 17:48 -0500
            Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2024-03-05 16:18 -0800
        Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:18 -0500
      Re: [NEWS] Apple releases M3 MacBook Air models Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-03-09 08:09 -0500

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