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  advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-15 14:47 +0000
    Re: advice for an acquaintance Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-04-15 10:00 -0500
    Re: advice for an acquaintance Steve Fenwick <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 08:34 -0700
    Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-15 12:16 -0400
      Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-15 09:42 -0700
        Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 13:05 -0700
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-15 18:30 +0100
            Re: advice for an acquaintance dcohenspam@talktalk.net (Daniel Cohen) - 2011-04-16 17:42 +0100
          Re: advice for an acquaintance erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2011-04-15 12:38 -0500
            Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-16 13:00 -0400
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 18:45 +0000
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Jim Glidewell <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-16 21:15 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-15 15:31 -0400
            Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 16:34 -0700
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-15 21:40 +0000
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-16 00:35 -0500
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-16 16:50 +1000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-16 10:59 -0500
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 12:45 +0000
                Re: advice for an acquaintance jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2011-04-17 00:26 +1200
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 13:04 +0000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2011-04-17 03:00 +1200
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance erilar <drache@chibardun.net.invalid> - 2011-04-16 10:55 -0500
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 20:25 +0000
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-17 07:51 +1000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2011-04-18 07:50 +1200
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-18 09:41 +1000
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 00:35 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-15 22:07 +0000
            Re: advice for an acquaintance BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-15 19:23 -0400
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-16 00:40 -0500
              Re: advice for an acquaintance "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-17 02:54 +0000
            Re: advice for an acquaintance pf@porkain'tkosher.oink (Paul Fuchs) - 2011-04-15 22:53 -0700
            Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 10:23 +0000
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 12:45 +0000
                Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-16 08:40 -0700
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-16 11:10 -0500
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-16 10:21 -0700
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-16 17:19 -0400
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2011-04-16 17:16 -0400
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-16 23:00 -0400
            Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-18 12:23 -0700
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-19 13:48 +0200
                Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-19 11:00 -0700
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-19 12:22 -0400
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 07:59 +0200
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-20 11:33 +0000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 14:35 +0200
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-19 21:58 -0400
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 08:31 +0200
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-20 16:04 +0000
      Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 12:57 -0700
        Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam@see.signature (Richard Maine) - 2011-04-15 10:15 -0700
          Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 13:41 -0700
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2011-04-15 20:01 -0500
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 20:43 +0200
        Re: advice for an acquaintance Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-15 13:59 -0400
      Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-16 10:40 +1000
        Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 01:46 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-16 13:21 +1000
            Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 12:45 +0000
        Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 10:23 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-16 12:45 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-16 23:19 -0400
            Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-17 14:18 +0000
            Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-17 12:31 -0400
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-17 12:55 -0500
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-18 11:51 -0400
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-04-18 11:38 -0500
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-19 12:18 -0400
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-19 22:05 -0400
                        Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-20 11:38 +0000
                          Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-20 16:04 +0000
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-19 07:30 +1000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> - 2011-04-19 12:19 -0400
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-20 08:03 +1000
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-19 22:02 -0400
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-20 08:27 +0200
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-20 11:33 +0000
              Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-17 23:22 -0400
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-18 10:47 +0200
                Re: advice for an acquaintance Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2011-04-18 07:23 -0400
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-18 13:10 +0000
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 2011-04-18 11:13 -0400
                      Re: advice for an acquaintance Steve Fenwick <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-18 22:22 -0700
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2011-04-21 18:42 +1200
                  Re: advice for an acquaintance John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2011-04-18 09:37 -0700
                    Re: advice for an acquaintance Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-19 22:10 -0400
      Re: advice for an acquaintance Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com> - 2011-04-16 10:15 +0000
    Re: advice for an acquaintance Suze <replytome@thenewsgroup.com> - 2011-04-15 11:36 -0500
    Re: advice for an acquaintance nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-15 13:08 -0700
    Re: advice for an acquaintance "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-15 21:45 +0000
      Re: advice for an acquaintance Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> - 2011-04-17 19:18 +0200
        Re: advice for an acquaintance Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-17 18:59 +0000
          Re: advice for an acquaintance "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-20 20:50 +0000

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#1422

In article <iogap4$5jm$1@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 04-17-2011 12:31, Fred Moore wrote:
> >       Twitter is for twits;
> >       Facebook is for fools.
> 
> I know little about Twitter.  Facebook could have been a good thing,
> were it not for the security idiocies.  Yes, it's full
> of crap, but that's not the fault of the site itself.
> 
> I resisted using it for a long time but finally gave in when
> a relative got himself stranded in a small town with a computer
> but no phone.

Twitter is fine if you are selective and stick to, for example, 
technical discussions in your own field.

I've steered clear of Facebook, but know a couple of folks who find it a 
useful way to promote their own businesses.  If you look at ads aimed at 
the "Facebook generation", such as fashion, the companies concerned are 
increasingly using it to create a following.

Like it or not, Facebook is here to stay, at least until the next thing 
comes along.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#1426

In article <iogap4$5jm$1@dont-email.me>,
 Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> wrote:

> I resisted using it for a long time but finally gave in when
> a relative got himself stranded in a small town with a computer
> but no phone.

... and no email?
-- 
If you could teach a cat to dance, 
you'd never have to leave the house.
  -- Pat Sajak

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#1432

Back to subject for a moment 8-) :  the little laptops/netbooks don't vave
CD/DVD drives.  Would I have to/could I download and install XUbuntu
directly using the Windoze whatever it comes with, then set the whole thing
up so she does NOT have an admin account?  Or at least keep her away from
Windoze?  I'd like to keep access for a tech somehow, though I'd have to
know how to access it to pass on.


-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#1437

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> writes:

> Back to subject for a moment 8-) :  the little laptops/netbooks don't vave

Yet, off topic at the same time...

> CD/DVD drives.  Would I have to/could I download and install XUbuntu
> directly using the Windoze whatever it comes with, then set the whole thing
> up so she does NOT have an admin account?

Yes.  You use a USB memory stick.  You can even put OS X on some
of them (well, in violation of the software license) (Hey - almost
back on topic).

>  Or at least keep her away from
> Windoze?  I'd like to keep access for a tech somehow, though I'd have to
> know how to access it to pass on.

You're still just creating a big headache for yourself and for
her.  Seriously - get her to get an iPad or just get her to
get a new bank.

-- 
Plain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks.  The rest gets trashed.

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#1457

In article <yobmxjn619u.fsf@panix3.panix.com>,
 BreadWithSpam@fractious.net wrote:

> Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> writes:
> 
> > Back to subject for a moment 8-) :  the little laptops/netbooks don't vave
> 
> Yet, off topic at the same time...
> 
> > CD/DVD drives.  Would I have to/could I download and install XUbuntu
> > directly using the Windoze whatever it comes with, then set the whole thing
> > up so she does NOT have an admin account?
> 
> Yes.  You use a USB memory stick.  You can even put OS X on some
> of them (well, in violation of the software license) (Hey - almost
> back on topic).
> 
> >  Or at least keep her away from
> > Windoze?  I'd like to keep access for a tech somehow, though I'd have to
> > know how to access it to pass on.
> 
> You're still just creating a big headache for yourself and for
> her.  Seriously - get her to get an iPad or just get her to
> get a new bank.

Ya, this is the best advice.

Steve

-- 
steve <at> w0x0f <dot> com
"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to
skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, sidecar in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"

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#1531

Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Back to subject for a moment 8-) :  the little laptops/netbooks don't vave
> CD/DVD drives.  Would I have to/could I download and install XUbuntu
> directly using the Windoze whatever it comes with, then set the whole thing
> up so she does NOT have an admin account?  Or at least keep her away from
> Windoze?  I'd like to keep access for a tech somehow, though I'd have to
> know how to access it to pass on.

Same for Xubuntu:
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick>
-- 
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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#1441

On 4/18/11 4:23 AM, Warren Oates wrote:
> In article<iogap4$5jm$1@dont-email.me>,
>   Wes Groleau<Groleau+news@FreeShell.org>  wrote:
>
>> I resisted using it for a long time but finally gave in when
>> a relative got himself stranded in a small town with a computer
>> but no phone.
>
> .... and no email?

Or is this where "he" sends an e-mail to all his "friends" that he's 
been robbed/burgled (no cash nor credit cards, ID), needs to pay his 
hotel bill, and would they mind sending along a few hundred which he'll 
pay as soon as he gets back home??

It has happened.

-- 
John McWilliams

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#1489

On 04-18-2011 12:37, John McWilliams wrote:
> Or is this where "he" sends an e-mail to all his "friends" that he's
> been robbed/burgled (no cash nor credit cards, ID), needs to pay his
> hotel bill, and would they mind sending along a few hundred which he'll
> pay as soon as he gets back home??

No, he couldn't find his phone charger, so he left it home.  Then he
borrowed a phone to tell me about a "cool" car he was going to buy;
bought it without following my advice about a mechanical inspection;
ran it out of oil on the prairie; got towed into a small town in Kansas;
etc. etc.

-- 
Wes Groleau

   Community Language Learning “Inappropriate”
   http://Ideas.Lang-Learn.us/WWW?itemid=30

-- 
Wes Groleau

     ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI

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#1332

Fred Moore <fmoore@gcfn.org> wrote:
> In article <io9lq3$32g$1@dont-email.me>,
>  Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:
> 
>> Long intro, but only needs a short answer 8-)
>> 
>> I know there are some multi-platform people here so I thought I'd ask you. 
>> She is about as computer-illiterate as you can imagine, but she says her
>> "bank", which sounds like something with brokerage, has informed her that
>> in the future she MUST do everything on line. 
> 
> Find a new bank/brokerage which doesn't require this.

Good advice.

>> She is so security-conscious
>> that she won't even use a credit card online
> 
> Good for her! She's absolutely correct.

No, she is not. Using a credit card online is the SAFEST way to use a
credit card.

>> But someone she met at the library showed her a thumb drive(I presume, from
>> her description) and told her she could carry her info around on it.  
> 
> Oh, god, NO! Besides the software security issues (see below), thumb 
> drives are fragile. They are great for sneakernet or additional 
> TEMPORARY storage, but that's it. A small static discharge that you 
> don't even notice can kill a thumb drive, especially the generic cheapos.

I've carried a USB drive on my keychain for about 10 years. Not the same
one, but one of varying capacities. The current one is 4 years old and is
2GB in size, more than enough space to carry the really important encrypted
files I need. It lives in my pocket, jumbled around with keys and coins and
paperclips and the occasional dog biscuit.

I've never had a problem with it, or any other USB flash drive losing
anything.

> Anything she loads on a public computer will be there on that hard 
> drive. Even if she doesn't load data directly, it may appear, possibly 
> unencrypted, in cache files of the system or browser. And this liability 
> doesn't address the keylogger vulnerability.

Nope, not necessarily. You can run firefox off a thumb drive without
putting anything at all on the computer, for example. You can also encrypt
the USB drive.

-- 
this is not a signture

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#1297

In article <io9lq3$32g$1@dont-email.me>,
 Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Long intro, but only needs a short answer 8-)
> 
> I know there are some multi-platform people here so I thought I'd ask you. 
> She is about as computer-illiterate as you can imagine, but she says her
> "bank", which sounds like something with brokerage, has informed her that
> in the future she MUST do everything on line. She is so security-conscious
> that she won't even use a credit card online and is certain that the
> computers at the library are unsafe for anything beyond simple e-mail,
> which she only began to use after I helped her open a Yahoo account some
> time ago.
> 
> She is thinking about getting a computer of her own, but her finances are
> quite limited, so if she does, it would be a cheap little netbook, and
> she'd need a printer as well.  I've been googling around for ideas, and
> hope to at least convince her to take the long drive to the nearest Best
> Buy, at least.  (I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to depend on WalMart!)
> That seems to offer some decent deals, at least, since she won't consider
> shopping on line.
> 
> But someone she met at the library showed her a thumb drive(I presume, from
> her description) and told her she could carry her info around on it.  I
> have no experience with them, so I don't know the limitations.  Could she
> carry everything sensitive around on one and leave no traces thereof in a
> computer she used it on? It seems to me she'd need a computer to put info
> ON the thing, as well as to use it.  I really can't see her dealing with
> any kind of protection program.

I don't know what her financial limitations are exactly, but I've bought 
three nice little 12-in G4 1.33mHz iBook laptops with upgraded memory 
off ebay from various sellers, and they've all looked virtually like new 
and have lasted really well. Two of them are running Tiger, the other 
one has 1G of memory and runs Leopard. Price ranges around $200-225 if 
you keep a watch. They are nice little durable laptops and my kids have 
been real pleased with them.
As for the bank, she should probably be looking around to see what else 
is out there. The thumb drive idea is the pits. Not secure and could 
very well fail anyway.
But, this being the 21st century, it's really time she learned about 
computers if she wants to survive. They're here, people might as well 
learn how to use them. Speaking from my personal experience, a Mac is a 
great way to start the journey down the road to civilization.
-- 
Start every day with a big smile and get it over with!

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#1302

In article <io9lq3$32g$1@dont-email.me>, Erilar
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Long intro, but only needs a short answer 8-)
> 
> I know there are some multi-platform people here so I thought I'd ask you. 
> She is about as computer-illiterate as you can imagine, but she says her
> "bank", which sounds like something with brokerage, has informed her that
> in the future she MUST do everything on line. She is so security-conscious
> that she won't even use a credit card online and is certain that the
> computers at the library are unsafe for anything beyond simple e-mail,
> which she only began to use after I helped her open a Yahoo account some
> time ago.
> 
> She is thinking about getting a computer of her own, but her finances are
> quite limited, so if she does, it would be a cheap little netbook, and
> she'd need a printer as well.  I've been googling around for ideas, and
> hope to at least convince her to take the long drive to the nearest Best
> Buy, at least.  (I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to depend on WalMart!)
> That seems to offer some decent deals, at least, since she won't consider
> shopping on line.

if she's not computer literate, then i'd strongly suggest a refurb ipad
for $350. if the bank/brokerage she's using has their own app, all the
better. if she doesn't mind a smaller display, an ipad touch might
work. you can even deposit checks with some banks by taking a photo of
the check, one of the most useful things ever.

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#1314

On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:47:32 UTC, Erilar 
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Long intro, but only needs a short answer 8-)
> 
> I know there are some multi-platform people here so I thought I'd ask you. 
> She is about as computer-illiterate as you can imagine, but she says her
> "bank", which sounds like something with brokerage, has informed her that
> in the future she MUST do everything on line. She is so security-conscious
> that she won't even use a credit card online and is certain that the
> computers at the library are unsafe for anything beyond simple e-mail,
> which she only began to use after I helped her open a Yahoo account some
> time ago.
> 
> She is thinking about getting a computer of her own, but her finances are
> quite limited, so if she does, it would be a cheap little netbook, and
> she'd need a printer as well.  I've been googling around for ideas, and
> hope to at least convince her to take the long drive to the nearest Best
> Buy, at least.  (I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to depend on WalMart!)
> That seems to offer some decent deals, at least, since she won't consider
> shopping on line.
> 
> But someone she met at the library showed her a thumb drive(I presume, from
> her description) and told her she could carry her info around on it.  I
> have no experience with them, so I don't know the limitations.  Could she
> carry everything sensitive around on one and leave no traces thereof in a
> computer she used it on? It seems to me she'd need a computer to put info
> ON the thing, as well as to use it.  I really can't see her dealing with
> any kind of protection program.
 
Get her an iPad. With the iPad 2 out, there ought to be bargains 
available in used iPad 1s.

-- 
John Varela

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#1388

In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qd4N1ML9CyRb@localhost>,
 "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:

> Get her an iPad. With the iPad 2 out, there ought to be bargains 
> available in used iPad 1s.

One of my local shops is offering _very good_ prices on iPad 1s.

-- 
Paul Sture

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#1396

Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qd4N1ML9CyRb@localhost>,
>  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> Get her an iPad. With the iPad 2 out, there ought to be bargains 
>> available in used iPad 1s.
> 
> One of my local shops is offering _very good_ prices on iPad 1s.

Somehow I suspect you live in a much more heavily- populated area than we
do.  I really wish I COULD get her into an iPad.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#1523

On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 18:59:19 UTC, Erilar 
<drache@chibardun.netinvalid> wrote:

> Paul Sture <paul.nospam@sture.ch> wrote:
> > In article <51W5y0sPNk52-pn2-qd4N1ML9CyRb@localhost>,
> >  "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> Get her an iPad. With the iPad 2 out, there ought to be bargains 
> >> available in used iPad 1s.
> > 
> > One of my local shops is offering _very good_ prices on iPad 1s.
> 
> Somehow I suspect you live in a much more heavily- populated area than we
> do.  I really wish I COULD get her into an iPad.
 
There is eBay.

-- 
John Varela

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