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| Started by | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| First post | 2016-01-13 19:47 +0000 |
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Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-13 19:47 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-13 22:19 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-13 17:34 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 16:03 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:29 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-13 18:45 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 16:08 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 13:01 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 19:05 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 19:17 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 14:33 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 14:45 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:28 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> - 2016-01-14 20:09 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:44 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 15:49 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 20:58 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-14 21:29 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> - 2016-01-14 14:24 -0800
Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-14 23:09 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 02:37 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 07:28 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 11:17 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 14:38 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 02:29 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:06 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-25 17:15 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-15 08:31 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-15 18:11 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 19:01 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-15 14:21 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-15 19:57 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-01-15 21:10 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-15 21:30 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 22:39 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-01-15 22:39 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-16 09:10 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:09 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-21 01:05 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-21 12:15 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration billy@MIX.COM - 2016-01-22 03:54 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 14:42 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 15:53 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-14 17:44 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-01-14 00:54 +0000
Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-13 20:22 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2016-01-13 21:13 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-14 16:57 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-14 17:15 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-01-14 17:44 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-01-15 02:21 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 22:13 -0500
Re: Xterm configuration Martin Frost me at invalid stanford daht edu <nospam@stanford.edu.invalid> - 2016-01-13 19:51 -0800
Re: Xterm configuration "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-01-20 21:58 -0500
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 19:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Xterm configuration |
| Message-ID | <n769l4$971$1@pcls7.std.com> |
I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable. I will have several windows which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx terminals. First, how do I add borders? I will have several windows on the screen at once, with a black background, and when they overlap it's hard to tell where one window ends and another begins because no border separates them. How do I enable a program to change the title in the title bar? (not the escape sequence, but the resource to enable xterm to do so) How do I cut from an xterm window and paste it elsewhere (for example paste a URL into Safari)? And vice versa? X seems to use a separate paste buffer from the rest of the system. Are there any good VTxxx or other fonts available? Any other hints to make it like a DEC VTxxx or DECterm window. I already have a good key definition file.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 22:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnn9djfs.gkk.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #34292 |
In message <n769l4$971$1@pcls7.std.com> Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: > I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and > Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable. I will have several windows > which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx > terminals. > First, how do I add borders? I will have several windows on the screen at > once, with a black background, and when they overlap it's hard to tell > where one window ends and another begins because no border separates > them. You might want to find a group that specifically covers X11. > How do I enable a program to change the title in the title bar? (not the > escape sequence, but the resource to enable xterm to do so) See above. > How do I cut from an xterm window and paste it elsewhere (for example > paste a URL into Safari)? And vice versa? X seems to use a separate > paste buffer from the rest of the system. Yeah. Middle click pastes. I think right click copies? Been ages since I used X11. > Are there any good VTxxx or other fonts available? > Any other hints to make it like a DEC VTxxx or DECterm window. I already > have a good key definition file. I use Terminal.app for ssh to other systems. It's miles better than xterm. -- "There's sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they don't go anywhere."
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 17:34 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5696d104$0$1555$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #34292 |
On 2016-01-13 14:47, Michael Moroney wrote: > I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and > Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable. I will have several windows > which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx > terminals. > > First, how do I add borders? Not sure. My XQuarts puts normal windows on the Mac desktop. This could be with the Xquartz preferences, make sure you use the standard window manager. > How do I enable a program to change the title in the title bar? (not the > escape sequence, but the resource to enable xterm to do so) here are my Xterm resources. They are in ~/.Xresources XTerm*deleteIsDEL: True XTerm.decTerminalId: 220 XTerm.vt100.eightBitInput: true XTerm.vt100.eightBitOutput: true XTterm.vt100.eightBitControl: true XTerm*vt00.scrollBar: true XTerm*rightScrollBar: true XTerm*saveLines: 500 XTerm.title: JF's XTERM XTerm*font: 9x15 XTerm*allowWindowOps: true Note that I have my login script define the prompt to display the cuttent directory in the window title via escape sequences, so the Xterm.title doesn't stay long > How do I cut from an xterm window and paste it elsewhere (for example > paste a URL into Safari)? And vice versa? X seems to use a separate > paste buffer from the rest of the system. the relationaship between the X pasteboard and the OS-X one is defined in the XQuartz preferences (X11 -> Preferences menu at the top of the Mac screen). You can set it so that when you do a X11 "copy" (from the Mac menu of X11) that it goes into the Mac clipboard so it can be pasted into a Mac application. Some applicatiosn also have a Edit -> Copy which will make it into the Mac's clipboard. But selecting text in Xterm, you generally have to use the X11-> EDIT-> Copy menu to get it over to the Mac side. Mine also automatically makes the MAC's clipboard available to paste in X11 (alt leftclick for me). So I can copy a url in Firefox, and then type curl -I <alt left-click> to get the URL and press return. > Any other hints to make it like a DEC VTxxx or DECterm window. I already > have a good key definition file. here is what I have. Tough one is the "fn" key on the Mac which does not generate any X event so has to be moved. keycode 79 = KP_F1 keycode 89 = KP_F1 keycode 83 = KP_F3 keycode 75 = KP_F4 keycode 113 = Help keycode 115 = Menu keycode 125 = DRemove keycode 113 = Insert keycode 127 = Select keycode 123 = Find keycode 59 = Delete keycode 111 = F11 F11 F11 F11 keycode 114 = F16 F16 F16 F16 keycode 72 = F17 F17 F17 F17 keycode 87 = F18 F18 F18 F18 keycode 88 = F19 F19 F19 F19
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 16:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n78gsi$79i$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #34294 |
JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> writes: >here are my Xterm resources. They are in ~/.Xresources Thanks for this. >> Any other hints to make it like a DEC VTxxx or DECterm window. I already >> have a good key definition file. >here is what I have. Tough one is the "fn" key on the Mac which does not >generate any X event so has to be moved. >keycode 79 = KP_F1 >keycode 89 = KP_F1 >keycode 83 = KP_F3 >keycode 75 = KP_F4 >keycode 113 = Help >keycode 115 = Menu >keycode 125 = DRemove >keycode 113 = Insert >keycode 127 = Select >keycode 123 = Find >keycode 59 = Delete >keycode 111 = F11 F11 F11 F11 >keycode 114 = F16 F16 F16 F16 >keycode 72 = F17 F17 F17 F17 >keycode 87 = F18 F18 F18 F18 >keycode 88 = F19 F19 F19 F19 This is pretty much what I used. However I noticed you have a couple of duplicate definitions. First, you have keycode 79 and 89 defined as KP_F1. Second you define keycode 113 as Help then define keycode 113 as Insert. Typos?
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 14:29 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5697f707$0$33580$b1db1813$2411a48f@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #34300 |
On 2016-01-14 11:03, Michael Moroney wrote: > KP_F1. Second you define keycode 113 as Help then define keycode 113 > as Insert. Typos? The "Find" key is positioned where the Mac keyboard has "fn". Unfortunatly, "fn" generates no keycode, none nada. it is a dead key from X's point of view. So Find had to be remapped and I put it just above at F13 which is where Help would me. Looking at my .Xresources, my guess is that I left the 113 = Help in there, knowing it would be overriden a few lines down as a reference in case I wanted to go back to it. Perhaps I should have done a F13 = Find and SHIFT F13 = HELP type of definition
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-01-13 18:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-7EC7DB.18453113012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #34292 |
In article <n769l4$971$1@pcls7.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > I'm trying to use xterm on this newish to me Mac with El Capitan and > Xquartz, and am trying to make it usable. I will have several windows > which connect via SSH to other systems and want them to emulate DEC VTxxx > terminals. Instead of running xterm remotely, why not run Terminal on the Mac and then use SSH in the terminal window? That's what I do. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 16:08 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n78h6o$79i$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #34295 |
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes: >Instead of running xterm remotely, why not run Terminal on the Mac and >then use SSH in the terminal window? That's what I do. I need one that emulates the DEC VTxxx terminals properly. All the ones I've tried either have emulation bugs, missing emulation or I can't define the keypad to be like a VTxxx's keypad. The best I've seen is PuTTY on a PeeCee. I found a PuTTY for the Mac but like Xterm needs Xquartz and is horribly slow and buggy, it's different from the PC version.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 13:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-A196CD.13013814012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #34301 |
In article <n78h6o$79i$2@pcls7.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes: > > >Instead of running xterm remotely, why not run Terminal on the Mac and > >then use SSH in the terminal window? That's what I do. > > I need one that emulates the DEC VTxxx terminals properly. All the ones > I've tried either have emulation bugs, missing emulation or I can't define > the keypad to be like a VTxxx's keypad. The best I've seen is PuTTY on a > PeeCee. I found a PuTTY for the Mac but like Xterm needs Xquartz and is > horribly slow and buggy, it's different from the PC version. In Preferences->Advanced there's a checkbox "Strict VT100 keypad behavior". That doesn't do what you want? -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 19:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n78rh0$85p$2@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #34302 |
Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes: >In Preferences->Advanced there's a checkbox "Strict VT100 keypad >behavior". That doesn't do what you want? I see no such option. Closest thing I see is "Allow VT100 application keypad mode".
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 19:17 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfqai3FrmrrU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34303 |
On 2016-01-14, Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> writes: > >>In Preferences->Advanced there's a checkbox "Strict VT100 keypad >>behavior". That doesn't do what you want? > > I see no such option. Closest thing I see is "Allow VT100 application > keypad mode". What doesn't Terminal do that you need? -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 14:33 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <5697f817$0$25165$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #34304 |
On 2016-01-14 14:17, Jolly Roger wrote: > What doesn't Terminal do that you need? Still need X to run X applications on the remote host with the window popping up on your desktop. And from an existing xterm, you can xterm & and pop a new xterm window already logged in to the remote host. No need to create a termiunal window, then ssh to the remote host, login, and set your environment to patch the other.
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 14:45 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-73CE14.14453614012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #34306 |
In article <5697f817$0$25165$c3e8da3$e408f015@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2016-01-14 14:17, Jolly Roger wrote: > > > What doesn't Terminal do that you need? > > Still need X to run X applications on the remote host with the window > popping up on your desktop. You need X, but not xterm. > And from an existing xterm, you can xterm & and pop a new xterm window > already logged in to the remote host. No need to create a termiunal > window, then ssh to the remote host, login, and set your environment to > patch the other. Not sure what "set your environment to patch the other" means. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 20:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfqemtFsop4U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34306 |
On 2016-01-14, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote: > On 2016-01-14 14:17, Jolly Roger wrote: > >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? > > Still need X to run X applications on the remote host with the window > popping up on your desktop. That has little to do with xterm. And I was asking the OP specifically. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n78vad$kj6$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #34304 |
So far I see most of the options I want to turn on or off (except borders) in the control-mouse button menus. Now to find all the resource names so I don't have to set and unset them each time.. Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: >What doesn't Terminal do that you need? I'm looking for a terminal emulator that can faithfully emulate a VT220 or newer terminal to use with software that uses its functions heavily, including some more obscure features. So far other emulators have either been incomplete, buggy or I can't get the keypad to work right (usually trying to get the "clear" key to act as PF1). I don't remember what problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first thing I tried to use. I've spotted an apparent bug with Xterm but so far it is the best, other than PuTTY on a PC.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 20:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfqfkuFt1vbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34309 |
Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: > >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? > > I don't remember what > problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first thing > I tried to use. Okay... You can't realistically expect anyone to be able to help you figure out whether Terminal is up to the task without more specific details though. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 15:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <barmar-FCDF77.15494714012016@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> |
| In reply to | #34312 |
In article <dfqfkuFt1vbU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> wrote: > > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: > > > >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? > > > > I don't remember what > > problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first thing > > I tried to use. > > Okay... You can't realistically expect anyone to be able to help you figure > out whether Terminal is up to the task without more specific details > though. He's said several times that the keypad doesn't work the same as a real VT220. -- Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 20:58 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dfqgepFt1jmU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34313 |
On 2016-01-14, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > In article <dfqfkuFt1vbU1@mid.individual.net>, > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> wrote: >> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: >> > >> >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? >> > >> > I don't remember what >> > problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first thing >> > I tried to use. >> >> Okay... You can't realistically expect anyone to be able to help you figure >> out whether Terminal is up to the task without more specific details >> though. > > He's said several times that the keypad doesn't work the same as a real > VT220. Then he is contradicting himself above, where he states he doesn't remember what problems he had with *Terminal*. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 21:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n793ut$umi$1@pcls7.std.com> |
| In reply to | #34315 |
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: >On 2016-01-14, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: >> In article <dfqfkuFt1vbU1@mid.individual.net>, >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: >> >>> Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> wrote: >>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: >>> > >>> >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? >>> > >>> > I don't remember what >>> > problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first thing >>> > I tried to use. >>> >>> Okay... You can't realistically expect anyone to be able to help you figure >>> out whether Terminal is up to the task without more specific details >>> though. >> >> He's said several times that the keypad doesn't work the same as a real >> VT220. >Then he is contradicting himself above, where he states he doesn't >remember what problems he had with *Terminal*. The problems I've had with all terminal emulators I've tried so far are they are buggy or incomplete in their VT220 emulation, and/or the keypad does not work correctly. I don't remember *which* of these issues specifically applies to Terminal, but it was at least one of them. I am willing to try Terminal again, esp. if someone has tips for any non-obvious settings, for example "To make 'clear' act as VTxxx PF1 do this".
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| From | Michael Vilain <vilain@NOspamcop.net> |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 14:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <vilain-E0BCA3.14242614012016@news.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #34316 |
In article <n793ut$umi$1@pcls7.std.com>, moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: > > >On 2016-01-14, Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > >> In article <dfqfkuFt1vbU1@mid.individual.net>, > >> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Michael Moroney <moroney@TheWorld.com> wrote: > >>> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> writes: > >>> > > >>> >> What doesn't Terminal do that you need? > >>> > > >>> > I don't remember what > >>> > problems I had with Terminal other than it was pretty much the first > >>> > thing > >>> > I tried to use. > >>> > >>> Okay... You can't realistically expect anyone to be able to help you > >>> figure > >>> out whether Terminal is up to the task without more specific details > >>> though. > >> > >> He's said several times that the keypad doesn't work the same as a real > >> VT220. > > >Then he is contradicting himself above, where he states he doesn't > >remember what problems he had with *Terminal*. > > The problems I've had with all terminal emulators I've tried so far are > they are buggy or incomplete in their VT220 emulation, and/or the keypad > does not work correctly. I don't remember *which* of these issues > specifically applies to Terminal, but it was at least one of them. > > I am willing to try Terminal again, esp. if someone has tips for any > non-obvious settings, for example "To make 'clear' act as VTxxx PF1 do > this". Realistically, your requirement for a non-buggy full-VT220 compatible emulator. If you search MacUpdate for "Terminal Emulator" you'll see a bunch. Wyse, back in the 80s and 90s, made their money building terminals with a variety of emulations. I was contracted at one point to write a test suite that verified it their latest and greatest worked with DEC's automation package ALL-IN-1. MacWyse has a VT220 emulation that may fit your criteria. The trouble is, it's $95. http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/9448/macwise If you're serious about "all the emulators I tried had bugs", then you might try MacWyse and see if it works for you. If it also has the bugs you're seeing, then perhaps it's a universal reading of DEC's VT220 spec that's been propagated down through the years. In any case, you'll be able to complain to someone and since you bought their product, they have to listen. FOSS software developers, maybe not so much. If you don't want to pony up to pay for a real emulator with supported VT220 support, you can download xterm's code and dive in. Personally, I prefer an emulator that does multiple things. I use MobaTerm on Windows because it does ssh, VNC, X, file copy, and multiple windows to the servers I login to. You might get more bang from http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/30267/zoc-terminal for $80. VT100 support is most of the terminal packages but VT220 seems to be something you have to pay for. That's your call. -- DeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... [I filter all Goggle Groups posts, so any reply may be automatically ignored]
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| From | billy@MIX.COM |
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| Date | 2016-01-14 23:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <n799qj$p70$1@reader2.panix.com> |
| In reply to | #34316 |
In comp.sys.mac.system Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote:
> The problems I've had with all terminal emulators I've tried so far are
> they are buggy or incomplete in their VT220 emulation, and/or the keypad
> does not work correctly. I don't remember *which* of these issues
> specifically applies to Terminal, but it was at least one of them.
>
> I am willing to try Terminal again, esp. if someone has tips for any
> non-obvious settings, for example "To make 'clear' act as VTxxx PF1 do
> this".
iTerm may work for you, but it has its own set of bugs. I haven't
tried it in a few months now, but it can at least come close.
http://iterm2.com
It's a work in progress... and free.
As for PF1, the best key remapping tool on the planet is here -
https://pqrs.org/osx/karabiner/index.html.en
Highly, highly recommended. Also free.
That said, DEC terminals have their own bugs, and at times
emuating them correctly means also emulating the bugs. I
don't know of any OS X emulator that good, but you might
give this one a try -
https://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/index.html
https://www.vandyke.com/products/securecrt/mac_capabilities_features.html
It costs, but it is also very well supported, and thus
you can complain and maybe get what you need from them.
What am I, a heavy user of DEC systems, using? Apple's
Terminal emulator and Karabiner. There are a few problems
displaying the 'graphics' chars in, say, the title bar of
VAX Notes (stops at 80 cols instead of 132), but overall
I'm happy enough with it.
As for fonts, I'm using Monaco, which is for me the best
looking of those supplied by Apple.
Billy Y..
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