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| Started by | sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> |
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| First post | 2015-08-08 18:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2015-08-09 09:13 -0400 |
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Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-08 18:08 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-08 14:30 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-08 19:10 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-08 19:25 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-08 15:37 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-08 21:45 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-08 17:17 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 16:41 -0600
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-09 14:11 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-08-09 10:20 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 15:16 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-09 20:09 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-09 22:32 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:36 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-09 22:37 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-09 17:41 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-09 22:48 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 22:19 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-10 08:38 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Calum <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> - 2015-08-10 10:28 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-10 11:00 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-08-10 10:26 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-10 19:07 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-10 15:47 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-11 20:08 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-11 18:14 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-12 16:54 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-12 18:32 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-13 01:06 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-13 09:19 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-13 14:58 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 15:16 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-14 06:00 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 18:23 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-14 10:57 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-14 13:48 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-15 20:29 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-16 09:14 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-17 00:23 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-16 20:30 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-17 13:27 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-17 13:24 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-19 21:45 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-17 13:24 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-18 06:22 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-18 16:47 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-14 01:40 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-14 13:47 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-13 19:32 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 19:38 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-18 15:04 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-19 16:16 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-20 20:07 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 09:36 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-23 23:06 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-13 19:32 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-14 01:44 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-14 12:13 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-14 03:32 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-14 23:56 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-14 13:46 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-14 16:07 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) - 2015-08-15 23:23 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-15 04:39 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-15 17:37 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-17 13:20 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-15 21:06 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-15 20:29 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-14 12:52 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-13 19:32 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 19:40 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-14 03:37 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-14 01:51 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-12 14:36 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-13 18:44 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-13 15:27 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 19:37 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-13 15:54 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-13 20:09 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-13 16:34 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-15 20:29 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-15 22:31 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-17 00:23 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-14 10:57 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-10 13:40 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-10 15:33 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 15:47 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-10 08:51 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-10 17:28 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:33 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-10 17:53 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 15:36 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 08:02 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 15:42 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-10 11:57 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 16:14 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> - 2015-08-10 09:43 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-10 12:55 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 17:07 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-10 04:08 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> - 2015-08-09 18:53 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 00:00 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Dedomen <avdija@eeepc.link.ba> - 2015-08-10 14:09 +0200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-10 14:18 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 18:53 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2015-08-10 21:25 +0100
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-10 20:56 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-10 18:47 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-10 16:37 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:23 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-09 23:13 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 23:32 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-10 20:50 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2015-08-10 04:12 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-10 21:03 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Dedomen <avdija@eeepc.link.ba> - 2015-08-10 14:07 +0200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-10 20:52 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> - 2015-08-10 19:07 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-08-08 18:17 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-08 22:25 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-08 22:32 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-09 09:22 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-09 13:06 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-09 17:33 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2015-08-10 09:15 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-10 14:22 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-10 16:23 -0700
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-11 12:00 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-12 01:08 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-11 22:49 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2015-08-12 17:47 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-13 21:44 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2015-08-09 01:44 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2015-08-09 15:15 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-09 09:18 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-09 22:41 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-09 22:18 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-09 16:36 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? sctvguy1 <sctvguy1@invalid.net> - 2015-08-09 19:27 -0500
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-08-09 22:41 -0400
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? jamiekg@wizardling.geek.nz (Jamie Kahn Genet) - 2015-08-10 17:29 +1200
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> - 2015-08-10 18:27 +0000
Re: Why won't Apple update apps w/o updating the OS? Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2015-08-09 09:13 -0400
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 13:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmsrscc.2qq5.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #31110 |
In message <1m95i4i.49933j1p1vfhzN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: >> In message <1m94z96.kx4mm01q88cesN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> >> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: >> > We don't know how much longer those browsers will continue to support >> > Snow Leopard, but I expect it won't be much longer. >> >> I am quite surprised that Chrome still supports Snow Leopard, but I >> suspect a large portion of the "Other" on this chart are 10.6 machines: >> >> <http://update.omnigroup.com> > Some historic points of comparison... > I haven't paid as much attention to Chrome, but Firefox dropped support > for Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard on Intel Macs as of version 17 in November > 2012, which is about 17 months after Apple's final full security update > for Leopard (June 2011). (PowerPC Macs and Mac OS X 10.4 on Intel Macs > were dropped by Firefox 4 in March 2011.) There were *many* reasons to drop support for 10.5 though. The difference between 10.5 and 10.6 is dramatic for a developer. > The PowerPC vs Intel question complicates the comparison, because > Firefox had already dropped PowerPC support, which means their Intel > user base on 10.5 would have been much smaller at the same relative > point. That too. -- "He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." Winston Churchill
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 16:07 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <55ce124d$0$90943$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #31102 |
In article <1m94z96.kx4mm01q88cesN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > >(There is a separate mechanism known as "XProtect" which Apple uses to >block known malicious software or insecure/outdated web plugins. As of >this week, that mechanism was still being updated on Snow Leopard.) David, how does that happen? As you noted, Apple hasn't issued any system software updates for Snow Leopard in two years. Patty
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| From | dempson@actrix.gen.nz (David Empson) |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 23:23 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <1m97wyf.1jsema9143yz4aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> |
| In reply to | #31118 |
Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > In article <1m94z96.kx4mm01q88cesN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > > > >(There is a separate mechanism known as "XProtect" which Apple uses to > >block known malicious software or insecure/outdated web plugins. As of > >this week, that mechanism was still being updated on Snow Leopard.) > > David, how does that happen? As you noted, Apple hasn't issued any > system software updates for Snow Leopard in two years. The XProtect updates are distribued via a special mechanism, not via Software Update (or App Store). In its default configuration, each Mac running Snow Leopard or later checks with Apple every day for updates to two files: one contains signatures for a relatively small set of known malicious software (which blocks launching of recognised trojan horses), the other contains blocking rules for web plugins (e.g. old versions of Flash). The files which get updated are in /System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/ and are called XProtect.plist XProtect.meta.plist (The "meta" one is for blocking web plugins.) This mechanism was introduced in Snow Leopard and is supported on all later OS X versions. So far, Apple has continued to supply updates of these files as far back as Snow Leopard. The setting which controls the update checks has moved around a bit. Digging through my virtual machines: 10.6.8: System Preferences > Security > General: "Automatically install important security updates". 10.7.5: System Preferences > Security > (unlock) > Advanced button > "Automatically install important security updates". 10.8.5: System Preferences > Software Update: "Automatically check for updates" must be enabled, along with "Install system data files and security updates". 10.9.5: System Preferences > App Store: "Automatically check for updates" must be enabled, along with "Install system data files and security updates". 10.10.5: same as 10.9.5. -- David Empson dempson@actrix.gen.nz
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| From | Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 04:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <150820150439483650%michelle@michelle.org> |
| In reply to | #31123 |
In article <1m97wyf.1jsema9143yz4aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > 10.9.5: System Preferences > App Store: "Automatically check for > updates" must be enabled, along with "Install system data files and > security updates". > > 10.10.5: same as 10.9.5. Same in 10.11 beta
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 17:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <55cf78c0$0$54579$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #31123 |
In article <1m97wyf.1jsema9143yz4aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > >The XProtect updates are distribued via a special mechanism, not via >Software Update (or App Store). In its default configuration, each Mac >running Snow Leopard or later checks with Apple every day for updates to >two files: one contains signatures for a relatively small set of known >malicious software (which blocks launching of recognised trojan horses), >the other contains blocking rules for web plugins (e.g. old versions of >Flash). > >The files which get updated are in > >/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/ > >and are called > >XProtect.plist >XProtect.meta.plist Aha, you're right! I opened the CoreTypes bundle and sure enough, those two files were updated just 10 days ago. Interesting! Thanks. Patty
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 13:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <wrqdnf3B8epUik_InZ2dnUU7-f-dnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #31125 |
On 2015-08-15 13:37, Patty Winter wrote: > In article <1m97wyf.1jsema9143yz4aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: >> >> The XProtect updates are distribued via a special mechanism, not via >> Software Update (or App Store). In its default configuration, each Mac >> running Snow Leopard or later checks with Apple every day for updates to >> two files: one contains signatures for a relatively small set of known >> malicious software (which blocks launching of recognised trojan horses), >> the other contains blocking rules for web plugins (e.g. old versions of >> Flash). >> >> The files which get updated are in >> >> /System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/ >> >> and are called >> >> XProtect.plist >> XProtect.meta.plist > > Aha, you're right! I opened the CoreTypes bundle and sure enough, > those two files were updated just 10 days ago. Interesting! Thanks. Only 28 May on my machine ... hmmm.
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 21:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmsvahb.nn0.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #31123 |
In message <1m97wyf.1jsema9143yz4aN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> In article <1m94z96.kx4mm01q88cesN%dempson@actrix.gen.nz>, >> David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: >> > >> >(There is a separate mechanism known as "XProtect" which Apple uses to >> >block known malicious software or insecure/outdated web plugins. As of >> >this week, that mechanism was still being updated on Snow Leopard.) >> >> David, how does that happen? As you noted, Apple hasn't issued any >> system software updates for Snow Leopard in two years. > The XProtect updates are distribued via a special mechanism, not via > Software Update (or App Store). In its default configuration, each Mac > running Snow Leopard or later checks with Apple every day for updates to > two files: one contains signatures for a relatively small set of known > malicious software (which blocks launching of recognised trojan horses), > the other contains blocking rules for web plugins (e.g. old versions of > Flash). > The files which get updated are in > /System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/ > and are called > XProtect.plist > XProtect.meta.plist Mine are in /System/Library/CoreServices/XProtect.bundle/Contents/Resources/ Might be a 10.11 change. -- Advance and attack! Attack and destroy! Destroy and rejoice!
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| From | Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-15 20:29 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <2071676678461362440.998670drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #31102 |
David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: > Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: > : > >> >> And why would I have had any reason to install those particular downgrades? > > Security. > > If you have a standalone Mac which doesn't access the Internet, leaving > it running Snow Leopard so you can use old software is a reasonable > choice. > In other words, I need to get moving on my search for replacements for things other than my graphics program. But the graphics program isn't the only problem. I still have to use the old laptop to sync my iPad because of the iTunes problem: I've already seen it will be a major task to organize my iBooks content for the new setup, and am afraid of what THAT will look like on my iPad. I understand the bookshelves have been wiped out. Will I still be able to rearrange books within categories with my finger as I currently can, or will some arbitrary system take over? -- biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 12:52 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <YqydnVoBfItLgVPInZ2dnUU7-SednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #31088 |
On 2015-08-13 15:32, Erilar wrote: > David Empson <dempson@actrix.gen.nz> wrote: >> Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> >> Erilar skipped 10.7, 10.8 and 10.9. She persists in blaming Yosemite for >> being unable to run abandoned PowerPC applications (e.g. AppleWorks and >> Color It!) despite being told repeatedly that the same applications >> would have also not worked on the three preceding major OS X versions. >> >>> I bought a MacBook Air a few weeks ago and have successfully installed >>> some of my old programs. Yes, the same ones that are running on my iMac >>> with Snow Leopard. So far, there have been two apps I've had to update. >>> Hardly a surprise, going from 10.6 to 10.10. (My old MacBook was running >>> 10.4, so I moved apps from the newer iMac instead.) > > And why would I have had any reason to install those particular downgrades? Nobody is forcing you to upgrade your OS. End of Rosetta was well broadcast and announced when Lion (10.7) was announced. In the meantime, staying with older versions you miss out on tighter integration with iOS devices (if that's of use to you), most (or all) of iCloud. Likewise various Apple apps that may be of use (Photos, Pages, Numbers, ...) and that are compatible (and free) with later OS versions. As for you, there's nothing wrong with dragging out adoption of OS updates. On machines where I still use Windows it's been sufficient to have WinXP and I still maintain one machine in that state. (Another is stopped at Win7). But if there were particular apps that needed an updated machine then I would go forward. But if you stay anchored in the past, things will get increasingly less functional and supported.
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| From | Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 19:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1315497315461184379.712389drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #31076 |
Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: > In article <1267367920461016371.859860drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, > Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>> In article >>> <1200648994460926288.982237drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe >>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >>> >>> yosemite is free. >>> >>> that's not a very good way to make money. >> >> Making software useless so people need to buy replacements or at least new >> versions, if such are available is free??? > > I know that a lot of software stopped working between 10.6 and 10.7 > because of the removal of Rosetta from OS X, but, pray tell, what > were the disastrous effects of going from 10.9 to 10.10? I just > googled for "Mac OS X Yosemite software compatibility" and saw very > few reports of problems, most probably from the early days of the release. > Or are you just indulging in hyperbole? > > I bought a MacBook Air a few weeks ago and have successfully installed > some of my old programs. Yes, the same ones that are running on my iMac > with Snow Leopard. So far, there have been two apps I've had to update. > Hardly a surprise, going from 10.6 to 10.10. (My old MacBook was running > 10.4, so I moved apps from the newer iMac instead.) > > > Patty You obviously have different software requirements than I have. -- biblioholic medievalist
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 19:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d34a67FfmpcU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #31089 |
On 2015-08-13, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: > Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> In article <1267367920461016371.859860drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, >> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>> In article >>>> <1200648994460926288.982237drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe >>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> yosemite is free. >>>> >>>> that's not a very good way to make money. >>> >>> Making software useless so people need to buy replacements or at least new >>> versions, if such are available is free??? >> >> I know that a lot of software stopped working between 10.6 and 10.7 >> because of the removal of Rosetta from OS X, but, pray tell, what >> were the disastrous effects of going from 10.9 to 10.10? I just >> googled for "Mac OS X Yosemite software compatibility" and saw very >> few reports of problems, most probably from the early days of the release. >> Or are you just indulging in hyperbole? >> >> I bought a MacBook Air a few weeks ago and have successfully installed >> some of my old programs. Yes, the same ones that are running on my iMac >> with Snow Leopard. So far, there have been two apps I've had to update. >> Hardly a surprise, going from 10.6 to 10.10. (My old MacBook was running >> 10.4, so I moved apps from the newer iMac instead.) > > You obviously have different software requirements than I have. Notably, she does not seem to have the "must run ancient software without updating it", and "must not force me to change any of my behaviors" requirements. ; ) -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 03:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmsqom8.2o2h.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #31092 |
In message <d34a67FfmpcU3@mid.individual.net> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > On 2015-08-13, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >> Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >>> In article <1267367920461016371.859860drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >>>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: >>>>> In article >>>>> <1200648994460926288.982237drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe >>>>> r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yosemite is free. >>>>> >>>>> that's not a very good way to make money. >>>> >>>> Making software useless so people need to buy replacements or at least new >>>> versions, if such are available is free??? >>> >>> I know that a lot of software stopped working between 10.6 and 10.7 >>> because of the removal of Rosetta from OS X, but, pray tell, what >>> were the disastrous effects of going from 10.9 to 10.10? I just >>> googled for "Mac OS X Yosemite software compatibility" and saw very >>> few reports of problems, most probably from the early days of the release. >>> Or are you just indulging in hyperbole? >>> >>> I bought a MacBook Air a few weeks ago and have successfully installed >>> some of my old programs. Yes, the same ones that are running on my iMac >>> with Snow Leopard. So far, there have been two apps I've had to update. >>> Hardly a surprise, going from 10.6 to 10.10. (My old MacBook was running >>> 10.4, so I moved apps from the newer iMac instead.) >> >> You obviously have different software requirements than I have. > Notably, she does not seem to have the "must run ancient software > without updating it", and "must not force me to change any of my > behaviors" requirements. ; ) Considering how little software stopped working between 10.7 and 10.11 and the astonishingly stupid comments I've seen her make about Pixelmator I've written her off as a troll. -- Cecil is made of blood and unfinished leather
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| From | Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-14 01:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <55cd49ac$0$90972$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> |
| In reply to | #31089 |
In article <1315497315461184379.712389drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >Patty Winter <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote: >> >> I bought a MacBook Air a few weeks ago and have successfully installed >> some of my old programs. Yes, the same ones that are running on my iMac >> with Snow Leopard. So far, there have been two apps I've had to update. >> Hardly a surprise, going from 10.6 to 10.10. (My old MacBook was running >> 10.4, so I moved apps from the newer iMac instead.) > >You obviously have different software requirements than I have. Every person on Earth has different software requirements. What's your point? Did you miss the part where I said that I still have 10.6 running on my iMac? I intentionally bought the iMac before Snow Leopard went away so that I could preserve certain apps. Now, I am preparing for the day when I will no longer have Snow Leopard. Note the word "preparing." By the time that happens, I will have found suitable alternatives to my PPC apps. (Although I will still shed a tear for Eudora...) I didn't blindly dive into a new OS without doing my research. And I certainly don't hold Apple responsible for moving on from a very outdated hardware platform. I'm just grateful we had Rosetta available as long as we did. Patty
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| From | Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> |
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| Date | 2015-08-12 14:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrnmsmmje.1m8t.g.kreme@amelia.local> |
| In reply to | #31058 |
In message <1200648994460926288.982237drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org> Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: > Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >> In article <mq9qsn$op7$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Calum >> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote: >> >>> On 10/08/2015 08:38, Tim Streater wrote: >>> >>>> My point exactly. Nothing new to see here. So the point of El Cap was >>>> *what*, precisely? >>> >>> As its related-to-the-previous-version name suggests, it's mostly a >>> >bugfix and performance improvement release, just as Snow Leopard was >>>> >compared to Leopard, and Mountain Lion was compared to Lion. >> >> Humph, allow me to rephrase the question: So the point of Yosemite was >> *what*, precisely? > To make money?? How do you figure that? -- Truth is seen through keyholes
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| From | Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 18:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1954955713461184206.457340drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org> |
| In reply to | #31075 |
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote: > In message <1200648994460926288.982237drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-september.org> > Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: >> Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> wrote: >>> In article <mq9qsn$op7$1@speranza.aioe.org>, Calum >>> <com.gmail@nospam.scottishwildcat> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/08/2015 08:38, Tim Streater wrote: >>>> >>>>> My point exactly. Nothing new to see here. So the point of El Cap was >>>>> *what*, precisely? >>>> >>>> As its related-to-the-previous-version name suggests, it's mostly a >>>>> bugfix and performance improvement release, just as Snow Leopard was >>>>>> compared to Leopard, and Mountain Lion was compared to Lion. >>> >>> Humph, allow me to rephrase the question: So the point of Yosemite was >>> *what*, precisely? > >> To make money?? > > How do you figure that? > It won't let me use software that has survived "up"grades past. Replacements, if available, are vastly inferior or expensive or both. "Free? " -- biblioholic medievalist
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 15:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130820151527016500%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #31085 |
In article <1954955713461184206.457340drache-notchibardun.net@news.eternal-septembe r.org>, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: > >>> Humph, allow me to rephrase the question: So the point of Yosemite was > >>> *what*, precisely? > > > >> To make money?? > > > > How do you figure that? > > > It won't let me use software that has survived "up"grades past. powerpc apps will not work, but many of them are universal or intel native by now which will work. if not, then the app has been abandoned. intel native apps will work as-is or possibly needing an update. > Replacements, if available, are vastly inferior or expensive or both. blame that on the companies who wrote those apps. > "Free? " yosemite is free. app updates may or may not be free but that's entirely up to the developer of the apps.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 19:37 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d349vcFfmpcU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #31085 |
On 2015-08-13, Erilar <drache@notchibardun.net> wrote: > > It won't let me use software that has survived "up"grades past. It's common knowledge that software needs to be upgraded to support newer operating systems. You decided to upgrade your OS without making sure your old, crufty, ancient apps will continue to work, and now you are mad at the OS for it. > Replacements, if available, are vastly inferior or expensive or both. > "Free? " There are plenty of great third-party alternatives to older software that no longer works in today's operating systems, including ones you've no doubt ignored or discounted without a good understanding of them. Nobody forced you to upgrade your operating system. If doing so requires you to update third-party software, blame yourself - not the operating system. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 15:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130820151554023757%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #31090 |
In article <d349vcFfmpcU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > Nobody forced you to upgrade your operating system. If doing so requires > you to update third-party software, blame yourself - not the operating > system. she got a new computer so she didn't have much choice there.
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| From | Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 20:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <d34br5Fgbp8U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #31093 |
On 2015-08-13, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote: > In article <d349vcFfmpcU1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger ><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Nobody forced you to upgrade your operating system. If doing so requires >> you to update third-party software, blame yourself - not the operating >> system. > > she got a new computer so she didn't have much choice there. But she could have purchased an older model instead. It's not like she isn't in full control of her situation. -- E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter. I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead. JR
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| From | nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2015-08-13 16:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <130820151634078074%nospam@nospam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #31094 |
In article <d34br5Fgbp8U1@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote: > >> Nobody forced you to upgrade your operating system. If doing so requires > >> you to update third-party software, blame yourself - not the operating > >> system. > > > > she got a new computer so she didn't have much choice there. > > But she could have purchased an older model instead. It's not like she > isn't in full control of her situation. true but finding a used computer in good shape can sometimes be a hassle.
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