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Cannot change name of photo

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First post2011-03-31 17:48 +1100
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  Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-03-31 17:48 +1100
    Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-03-31 18:27 +1100
      Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-12 14:20 +1000
        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-12 14:54 +1000
          Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-16 12:30 +1000
            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-16 13:08 +1000
              Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-17 15:01 +1000
                Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-17 20:07 +1000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-17 06:49 -0400
                    Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-18 03:39 +1000
                      Re: Cannot change name of photo Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-17 14:05 -0400
                        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-18 04:27 +1000
                          Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-18 22:50 +0000
                            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-19 10:40 +1000
                              Re: Cannot change name of photo Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-04-18 22:48 -0400
                                Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-19 14:55 +1000
                                Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-20 20:53 +0000
                                  Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-21 07:20 +1000
                                    Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-23 02:43 +0000
                                      Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-23 18:30 +1000
                        Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-19 12:57 +1000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-17 14:11 +0000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-17 14:13 +0000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-19 12:56 +1000
    Re: Cannot change name of photo Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> - 2011-03-31 08:18 -0400
      Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-12 14:16 +1000
    Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-03-31 16:21 +0000
      Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-03-31 18:33 -0400
        Re: Cannot change name of photo Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2011-03-31 21:16 -0500
          Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-01 13:49 +0000
        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-01 13:20 +1100
          Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-03-31 22:51 -0400
          Re: Cannot change name of photo Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> - 2011-03-31 23:04 -0500
            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-01 15:43 +1100
              Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-02 01:15 -0400
                Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-02 18:14 +1100
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-02 12:18 -0400
                    Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-03 08:17 +1100
                      Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-02 23:23 -0400
                        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-03 13:35 +1100
          Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-03 21:20 +0000
            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-04 08:41 +1000
              Re: Cannot change name of photo Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-04 00:03 +0100
              Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-04 15:30 -0400
                Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-05 08:30 +1000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-04 22:30 -0400
                    Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-05 13:23 +1000
                      Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-05 11:22 -0400
                        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-06 13:17 +1000
                          Re: Cannot change name of photo Tim Streater <timstreater@waitrose.com> - 2011-04-06 09:50 +0100
                            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-06 19:36 +1000
              Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-06 01:22 +0000
                Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-06 13:32 +1000
                  Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-06 23:19 +0000
                    Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-07 09:24 +1000
                    Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-07 11:49 -0400
                      Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-08 02:57 +1000
                        Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-07 21:09 +0000
                          Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-08 09:25 +1000
                            Re: Cannot change name of photo "John Varela" <newlamps@verizon.net> - 2011-04-08 20:16 +0000
                              Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-09 08:09 +1000
                                Re: Cannot change name of photo John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2011-04-08 23:46 -0700
                                  Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-09 17:59 +1000
                                    Re: Cannot change name of photo John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2011-04-09 09:25 -0700
                                      Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-10 05:57 +1000
        Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-01 13:49 +0000
        Re: Cannot change name of photo Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-02 01:09 -0400
          Re: Cannot change name of photo Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-04 22:32 -0400
            Re: Cannot change name of photo nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2011-04-04 22:36 -0500
              Re: Cannot change name of photo Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-04 23:09 -0400
            Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-05 00:08 -0400
              Re: Cannot change name of photo "Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> - 2011-04-05 08:46 -0500
                Re: Cannot change name of photo Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2011-04-05 11:13 -0400
              Re: Cannot change name of photo Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-06 00:55 -0400
      Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-02 18:25 +1100
        Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-02 18:28 +1100
          Re: Cannot change name of photo Erilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid> - 2011-04-02 13:22 +0000
            Re: Cannot change name of photo dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> - 2011-04-03 07:57 +1100
    Re: Cannot change name of photo Wes Groleau <Groleau+news@FreeShell.org> - 2011-04-02 01:12 -0400
      Re: Cannot change name of photo David Ross <david@djross.com.au> - 2011-04-02 17:59 +1100

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#1453

FromDavid Ross <david@djross.com.au>
Date2011-04-19 12:57 +1000
Message-ID<david-05CBC7.12572319042011@news.bigpond.com>
In reply to#1390
In article <tom_stiller-B15878.14054917042011@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <dorayme-5F095F.03394618042011@news.albasani.net>,
>  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > In article 
> > <tom_stiller-36D9F6.06494517042011@news.individual.net>,
> >  Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > In article <dorayme-D6F96B.20073617042011@news.albasani.net>,
> > >  dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > ...
> > > > There is "Save as" and there is the simpler changing the name in 
> > > > Finder, the latter would not affect quality while the former 
> > > > might (but probably only marginally in this case).
> > > 
> > > There is also the Finder's "Duplicate" function.
> > 
> > I mentioned this in the same post.
> 
> No, you didn't. You mentioned changing the name in the Finder which the 
> OP had already tried and, if I recall correctly, was the topic of the 
> post which started this thread.
> 
> I suggested duplicating the original file to see if the name of the 
> duplicate could be changed.

A good idea Tom, and that was the first thing I tried - without success

David

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#1376

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2011-04-17 14:11 +0000
Message-ID<ioese7$h4v$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1373
dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> 
> 
> There is "Save as" and there is the simpler changing the name in 
> Finder, the latter would not affect quality while the former 
> might (but probably only marginally in this case).
> 
The latter is what I usually do.
>> 

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#1377

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2011-04-17 14:13 +0000
Message-ID<ioesim$he2$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#1373
dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> 
> 
> There is "Save as" and there is the simpler changing the name in 
> Finder, the latter would not affect quality while the former 
> might (but probably only marginally in this case).
> 
The latter is what I usually do.
>> 

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#1452

FromDavid Ross <david@djross.com.au>
Date2011-04-19 12:56 +1000
Message-ID<david-EFCCE1.12555819042011@news.bigpond.com>
In reply to#1373
In article <dorayme-D6F96B.20073617042011@news.albasani.net>,
 dorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

...
> > 
> > I just tried mailing it to myself as you suggested and found I could 
> > save it under a new name - mmm
> 
> > 
> > However, I would still like to know why I get the "you don't have 
> > permission to rename the item "DSC01198.JPG" message.  This more what 
> > one expects from Windows!  Macs just do not usually do such strange 
> > things to ones files
> > 
> > Anyway, I have a copy of the pic to you - I put it in a folder as saving 
> > it from an email seems to get rid of whatever it is that stops it from 
> > being renamed.  Will appreciate you comments
> > 
> 
> I opened it in Fireworks no problem? Dragging to an open browser 
> window also opened it fine. 
Yes, opening it in any app was not a problem

In my Get Info I have read and write 
> permission while "everyone" has "read only". I had no problem 
> changing the name using your select file name/Enter technique. 

So sending it thru the mail changes something even if its in a folder

> Nor - and perhaps you might try this if you have not already, 
> select/Command D (to duplicate) - duplicating and changing name 
> of duplicate.

Yep, I had tried that

> How does your Sony save to disk? 

I dont have a Sony, that pic was taken by my daughter who does.  But 
usually I dont have any hassles with the pics she sends, and many of the 
pics I cant rename are not from her, but were taken with either my 
Panasonic TZ3 or Fuji Finepix
> 
> I simply don't know why you can't rename them straight off 
> (assuming you transfer first to your Mac)?

Me neither!  Hence these posts
> 
> Have you got another Mac

Yep, tried copying them to my MacbookPro, but no luck

Thanks for all your feedback

David

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#956

FromTom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com>
Date2011-03-31 08:18 -0400
Message-ID<tom_stiller-797746.08185731032011@news.individual.net>
In reply to#953
In article <david-DFA210.17484331032011@news.bigpond.com>,
 David Ross <david@djross.com.au> wrote:

> Hi
> I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
> attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
> permission to change the name.
> 
> I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
> allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
> copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
> 
> No Luck with any of these approaches
> 
> Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
> 
> Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine
> 
> David

Do you have write privileges in the directory which contains the photos?

-- 
Tom Stiller

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#1250

FromDavid Ross <david@djross.com.au>
Date2011-04-12 14:16 +1000
Message-ID<david-2389FC.14161212042011@news.bigpond.com>
In reply to#956
In article <tom_stiller-797746.08185731032011@news.individual.net>,
 Tom Stiller <tom_stiller@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <david-DFA210.17484331032011@news.bigpond.com>,
>  David Ross <david@djross.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> > I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
> > attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
> > permission to change the name.
> > 
> > I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
> > allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
> > copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
> > 
> > No Luck with any of these approaches
> > 
> > Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
> > 
> > Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine
> > 
> > David
> 
> Do you have write privileges in the directory which contains the photos?

I think so, as there are other photos in the same folder and I can 
rename them OK

David

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#958

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2011-03-31 16:21 +0000
Message-ID<in29lh$kq4$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#953
David Ross <david@djross.com.au> wrote:
> Hi
> I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
> attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
> permission to change the name.
> 
> I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
> allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
> copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
> 
> No Luck with any of these approaches
> 
> Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
> 
> Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine
> 
> David
Open in GC, Save As.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#966

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2011-03-31 18:33 -0400
Message-ID<310320111833189966%star@sky.net>
In reply to#958
David Ross:
> > Hi
> > I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
> > attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
> > permission to change the name.
> > 
> > I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
> > allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
> > copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
> > 
> > No Luck with any of these approaches
> > 
> > Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
> > 
> > Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine

Erilar:
> Open in GC, Save As.

I would not recommend that someone open and re-save a photo in
GraphicConverter without telling the person to save them under a new
name to preserve the 16-bit original. GC is fine for what it is, but
what it is is a low-end photo editor, meant for preparing photos for
WWW display. Most importantly, it can only save in 8-bit color, and no
matter what else it does, that keeps it in the little league, as it
destroys much of the color information in a photograph (24 bit = a
palette of over 16 million color shades, while 8-bit = a 256-color
palette). (24-bit color is referred to as "Millions of Colors" in Mac
language.)

Photographss meant for art printing or other professional purposes,
such as the ones that I happen to be showing off at the moment
<http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>, ;) need Photoshop or other
professional software.

Davoud

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#970

FromJolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Date2011-03-31 21:16 -0500
Message-ID<jollyroger-E8F57F.21162931032011@news.individual.net>
In reply to#966
In article <310320111833189966%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
wrote:

> David Ross:
> > > Hi
> > > I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
> > > attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
> > > permission to change the name.
> > > 
> > > I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
> > > allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
> > > copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
> > > 
> > > No Luck with any of these approaches
> > > 
> > > Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
> > > 
> > > Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine
> 
> Erilar:
> > Open in GC, Save As.
> 
> I would not recommend that someone open and re-save a photo in
> GraphicConverter without telling the person to save them under a new
> name to preserve the 16-bit original. GC is fine for what it is, but
> what it is is a low-end photo editor, meant for preparing photos for
> WWW display. Most importantly, it can only save in 8-bit color, and no
> matter what else it does, that keeps it in the little league, as it
> destroys much of the color information in a photograph (24 bit = a
> palette of over 16 million color shades, while 8-bit = a 256-color
> palette). (24-bit color is referred to as "Millions of Colors" in Mac
> language.)
> 
> Photographss meant for art printing or other professional purposes,
> such as the ones that I happen to be showing off at the moment
> <http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>, ;) need Photoshop or other
> professional software.
> 
> Davoud

Not to mention opening a file and saving it is a fairly inefficient way 
to *rename* a file.

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#980

FromErilar <drache@chibardun.netinvalid>
Date2011-04-01 13:49 +0000
Message-ID<in4l4n$ell$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#970
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> In article <310320111833189966%star@sky.net>, Davoud <star@sky.net> 
> wrote:
> 
>> David Ross:
>>>> Hi
>>>> I have a number of Photos which I wish to rename.  However, when I 
>>>> attempt to rename them I get an error message saying I do not have 
>>>> permission to change the name.
>>>> 
>>>> I have gone to 'get info' and changed the Sharing and Permissions to 
>>>> allow Me and everyone to have read and write priviliges, have tried 
>>>> copying the photo, and tried opening it in Preview and then saving it.
>>>> 
>>>> No Luck with any of these approaches
>>>> 
>>>> Of course I have also repaired permisions, twice
>>>> 
>>>> Any ideas? Because I have exhausted mine
>> 
>> Erilar:
>>> Open in GC, Save As.
>> 
>> I would not recommend that someone open and re-save a photo in
>> GraphicConverter without telling the person to save them under a new
>> name to preserve the 16-bit original. GC is fine for what it is, but
>> what it is is a low-end photo editor, meant for preparing photos for
>> WWW display. Most importantly, it can only save in 8-bit color, and no
>> matter what else it does, that keeps it in the little league, as it
>> destroys much of the color information in a photograph (24 bit = a
>> palette of over 16 million color shades, while 8-bit = a 256-color
>> palette). (24-bit color is referred to as "Millions of Colors" in Mac
>> language.)
>> 
>> Photographss meant for art printing or other professional purposes,
>> such as the ones that I happen to be showing off at the moment
>> <http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>, ;) need Photoshop or other
>> professional software.
>> 
>> Davoud
> 
> Not to mention opening a file and saving it is a fairly inefficient way 
> to *rename* a file.

I have other methods that are simpler, but harder to describe and not
necessarily as transferrable.

-- 
Erilar, biblioholic medievalist with iPad

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#971

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2011-04-01 13:20 +1100
Message-ID<dorayme-70053E.13205001042011@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#966
In article <310320111833189966%star@sky.net>,
 Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Photographss meant for art printing or other professional purposes,
> such as the ones that I happen to be showing off at the moment
> <http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>, ;) need Photoshop or other
> professional software.

What is the point of the speckled background rather than a 
restful plain colour, is there not enough going on with the 
pictures to delight the viewers? What is the point of the 
underline under some of the photos, is this supposed to be 
obvious?

-- 
dorayme

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#972

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2011-03-31 22:51 -0400
Message-ID<310320112251102167%star@sky.net>
In reply to#971
Davoud:
> > <http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>

dorayme:
> What is the point of the speckled background rather than a 
> restful plain colour, is there not enough going on with the 
> pictures to delight the viewers? What is the point of the 
> underline under some of the photos, is this supposed to be 
> obvious?

Your points are well taken. I'll revisit the design of these pages when
I get some spare time.

Davoud
Posted from Mac 7 of 10.

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#973

FromJeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org>
Date2011-03-31 23:04 -0500
Message-ID<8vl163FtchU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#971
On 11-03-31 9:20 PM, dorayme wrote:
> In article<310320111833189966%star@sky.net>,
>   Davoud<star@sky.net>  wrote:
>
>> Photographss meant for art printing or other professional purposes,
>> such as the ones that I happen to be showing off at the moment
>> <http://www.primordial-light.com/aves.html>, ;) need Photoshop or other
>> professional software.
>
> What is the point of the speckled background rather than a
> restful plain colour, is there not enough going on with the
> pictures to delight the viewers? What is the point of the
> underline under some of the photos, is this supposed to be
> obvious?

But when the photos are so spectacular, I didn't notice any of that 
other stuff.

Cheers,

-j


-- 
Jeffrey Goldberg          http://goldmark.org/jeff/
I rarely read HTML or poorly quoting posts
Reply-To address is valid

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#974

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2011-04-01 15:43 +1100
Message-ID<dorayme-7E4078.15432101042011@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#973
In article <8vl163FtchU1@mid.individual.net>,
 Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote:

> But when the photos are so spectacular, I didn't notice any of that 
> other stuff.

I see so many spectacular photos so often that all I notice is 
the rest. Seems a shame for decent photos to be dumped into so 
bad a page. 

You do realise, of course, that your post will further cement 
your reputation as a nice guy and mine as the meanest of 
part-time resident trolls?

-- 
dorayme

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#1011

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2011-04-02 01:15 -0400
Message-ID<020420110115057380%star@sky.net>
In reply to#974
Jeffrey Goldberg :
> > But when the photos are so spectacular, I didn't notice any of that 
> > other stuff.

Thanks!

dorayme:
> I see so many spectacular photos so often that all I notice is 
> the rest. Seems a shame for decent photos to be dumped into so 
> bad a page. 

Soooo horrible it is? A passel of my friends, acquaintances, strangers,
and enemies have seen that page and you are the /only/ one to comment
on the presentation.

/But/ as I said earlier, I agree it needs re-examined with a view
toward cleanliness. Warning: the horizontal lines may be thinned, but
they will stay, as they separate species; some species have more than
one photo.

> You do realise, of course, that your post will further cement 
> your reputation as a nice guy and mine as the meanest of 
> part-time resident trolls?

No worries, mate. That's already set in concrete, etched in granite,
diamond-engraved in chrome-moly-tungsten steel, plasma-welded, anchored
in bedrock in a region that has been geologically stable for > 1 bn.
years, polished to a high gloss, waxed, and dusted off periodically;)

Davoud

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#1015

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2011-04-02 18:14 +1100
Message-ID<dorayme-B1E12A.18140602042011@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#1011
In article <020420110115057380%star@sky.net>,
 Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> /But/ as I said earlier, I agree it needs re-examined with a view
> toward cleanliness. Warning: the horizontal lines may be thinned, but
> they will stay, as they separate species; some species have more than
> one photo.

No need to warn me, make sure the lines make it somehow 
*obviously useful* to your visitors and do not assume they will 
be because *you* have intentions. Remember, all the intentions in 
the world did not help the ME crises.

And while you are at it, why the transitional doctype? What are 
you transitioning from? Why even the useless xhtml? And why, 
given you go and do these two latter things, not at least get rid 
of the mistakes that validators can easily point you to? In case 
you don't know, even Mac Safari can be decked out with extensions 
and links in the top of the browser, including one that sends 
your page to the competent W3C HTML Validator. 

If you are simply anxious to get your pics shown, then you can 
easily do this without trying to make a fancy page. Don't worry, 
Goldberg won't notice and will still be delighted by your 
pictures.

-- 
dorayme

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#1021

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2011-04-02 12:18 -0400
Message-ID<020420111218137771%star@sky.net>
In reply to#1015
dorayme:

> And while you are at it, why the transitional doctype? What are 
> you transitioning from? Why even the useless xhtml? And why, 
> given you go and do these two latter things, not at least get rid 
> of the mistakes that validators can easily point you to? In case 
> you don't know, even Mac Safari can be decked out with extensions 
> and links in the top of the browser, including one that sends 
> your page to the competent W3C HTML Validator. 

My web pages are intended for viewing by people, not robots. Of the
thousands of people who have seen my sites over the years, a grand
total of /one/ has complained--and I keep a tight count of complaints.
I know what my web pages look like in Firefox and Safari under Mac OS
and in Firefox, IE, and Safari under Windows. They look just fine in
every case.

> If you are simply anxious to get your pics shown, then you can 
> easily do this without trying to make a fancy page. Don't worry, 
> Goldberg won't notice and will still be delighted by your 
> pictures.

What I'm not going to worry about is what you /or/ your robots think of
my web pages!

Davoud

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#1028

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2011-04-03 08:17 +1100
Message-ID<dorayme-079E1A.08170103042011@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#1021
In article <020420111218137771%star@sky.net>,
 Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> dorayme:
> 
> > And while you are at it, why the transitional doctype? What are 
> > you transitioning from? Why even the useless xhtml? And why, 
> > given you go and do these two latter things, not at least get rid 
> > of the mistakes that validators can easily point you to? In case 
> > you don't know, even Mac Safari can be decked out with extensions 
> > and links in the top of the browser, including one that sends 
> > your page to the competent W3C HTML Validator. 
> 
> My web pages are intended for viewing by people, not robots. 

You do not care about search engines? No wonder the Middle East 
troubles are in such a mess with barely conscious over-proud, 
arrogant and ignorant folk like you 'diplomating' it. 

> Of the
> thousands of people who have seen my sites over the years, a grand
> total of /one/ has complained

Actually that makes it no people complaining, you don't think I 
am human do you? You are so naive. 

> --and I keep a tight count of complaints.

You mean you have an apparatus to handle no complaints? You are 
quite a fellow! People tend not to complain in most cases if they 
are not paying for something. And good enough for them does not 
mean you should take the same attitude.

> I know what my web pages look like in Firefox and Safari under Mac OS
> and in Firefox, IE, and Safari under Windows. They look just fine in
> every case.
>


Actually, my objections began in my mind because this is not so 
at all. Your taste is gauche. I suppose you are some sort of 
relativist about aesthetics, polling the masses is your standard. 
You probably have shares in McDonald's in your fine foods 
portfolio.
 
> > If you are simply anxious to get your pics shown, then you can 
> > easily do this without trying to make a fancy page. Don't worry, 
> > Goldberg won't notice and will still be delighted by your 
> > pictures.
> 
> What I'm not going to worry about is what you /or/ your robots think of
> my web pages!
> 

You publicly have no qualms showing what an ignorant man you are? 
That you do not care for well established standards fashioned by 
legions of intelligent people for the sole purpose of making 
websites usable to the maximum number of people. You blinkered 
dolt! 

I have always had suspicions about you and now the evidence comes 
flooding in. You were a diplomat in the Middle East? If I had a 
heart, it would be bleeding right now for the poor schmucks over 
there that have suffered so much under the various tyrannies 
(including that of the basically racist state of Israel), 
tyrannies that have been fawned over and aided and abetted by 
barely conscious folk like you.

-- 
dorayme

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#1039

FromDavoud <star@sky.net>
Date2011-04-02 23:23 -0400
Message-ID<020420112323141651%star@sky.net>
In reply to#1028
Davoud:
> > My web pages are intended for viewing by people, not robots. 

dorayme:
> You do not care about search engines?

I don't think about search engines much; family and friends know where
to find my work. I have nothing to sell, nothing important to say, and
I'm not in competition with any other site for hits. I just googled
"raptors" and "Maryland" (minus a couple of terms) and my page was in
the top 100 of 2,280,000 results--and it has been up for about three
days. I expect it to rise after I find time to refine the keywords.
Google "macintosh" and "astronomy" with no modifiers. My page
<http://www.primordial-light.com/macastronomer.html> is #10 of
2,230,000 results (as of this moment). I'm only sorry that I didn't put
a counter on that page until well after MacLife magazine did a
three-page article about me
<http://www.maclife.com/article/feature/using_macs_take_pictures_galaxie
s_far_far_away>. It was that page, by the way, that brought me to the
attention of the editor of MacLife. The counter (which does not count
my own visits) is at 7461 just now. The total number is probably twice
that. Amazing, considering that I put the page up and did not promote
it. The world amateur astronomy community is a small one, and the Mac
astronomy community is just a tiny slice of the total.

> No wonder the Middle East 
> troubles are in such a mess with barely conscious over-proud, 
> arrogant and ignorant folk like you 'diplomating' it.

I played a very modest role in brokering the peace treaty between Egypt
and Israel.

> > Of the
> > thousands of people who have seen my sites over the years, a grand
> > total of /one/ has complained

> Actually that makes it no people complaining, you don't think I 
> am human do you?

I know that I should spend more time thinking about you, but it's
springtime in the right-side-up world and between my wife's farm, which
is located about three miles up the road, and our own two acres, I've
been really, really busy.

> > --and I keep a tight count of complaints.

> You mean you have an apparatus to handle no complaints? You are 
> quite a fellow!

Of course not. I can barely count. But "one" is a fairly easy number to
remember.

> > I know what my web pages look like in Firefox and Safari under Mac OS
> > and in Firefox, IE, and Safari under Windows. They look just fine in
> > every case.

> Actually, my objections began in my mind....

Bzzzzzt! Which is it--meat or silicon?

> ....because this is not so at all. Your taste is gauche.

Ah, I have encountered the Grand Arbiter of Taste. Being a machine
intelligence as you are, there is no way I can question Your authority
on matters of taste. I am honored and humbled that You would stoop to
condemn my disgusting taste and my miserable, unworthy work.

Davoud

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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#1040

Fromdorayme <dorayme@optusnet.com.au>
Date2011-04-03 13:35 +1100
Message-ID<dorayme-A3BEC2.13352603042011@news.albasani.net>
In reply to#1039
In article <020420112323141651%star@sky.net>,
 Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:

> Davoud:
> > > My web pages are intended for viewing by people, not robots. 
> 
> dorayme:
> > You do not care about search engines?
> 
> I don't think about search engines much; family and friends know ...
> days. I expect it to rise after I find time to refine the keywords.
...

Keywords in the head play hardly any role (Google long ago woke 
up to their abuse).


> > > Of the
> > > thousands of people who have seen my sites over the years, a grand
> > > total of /one/ has complained
> 
> > Actually that makes it no people complaining, you don't think I 
> > am human do you?
> 
> I know that I should spend more time thinking about you, 

No need to be so sarcastic seeing how nice I have been to you. I 
have looked carefully at the things you claim are taking up your 
time and I cannot accept them as being more worthy than me.

...

> I am honored and humbled that You would stoop to
> condemn my disgusting taste and my miserable, unworthy work.
>
 
No need to exaggerate or be sarcastic. Be diplomatic. <g>.

-- 
dorayme

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