Re: Intel CPU prices going up?

From	Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-10, comp.sys.intel, alt.windows7.general
Subject	Re: Intel CPU prices going up?
Date	2018-10-18 18:44 +0100
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On 18/10/2018 03:59, Eric Stevens wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:37:27 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 17/10/2018 11:45, Eric Stevens wrote:
>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 20:52:59 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seriously?! Gamma rays? Gimme a break!
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrik_Svensmark
>>>
>>> His work has been largely confirmed by CERN and others.
>>
>> Not so fast, if you please ...
>> [...]
> 
> If you can cite secondary sources so then can I  :-).
> 
> See
> https://www.skepticalscience.com/cern-cloud-proves-cosmic-rays-causing-global-warming-basic.htm
> 
>    "At the moment, it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray
>     effect on clouds and climate, but it's a very important first step"

Exactly, 'says nothing', and since then there has only been controversy, 
no killer results to settle the question either way.  As I have said 
already, that suggests that the effect of cosmic rays on cloud formation 
and therefore climate is small compared with other more important 
factors such as CO2, for which we had clear, unambiguous laboratory 
results as long ago as the 1850s, and a good correlation from Berkeley, 
as already linked.

> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-017-02082-2
> 
> [ selective quoting removed ] 
>
> ... a second step.

No, the effect is not large enough to explain the current level of 
warming, as the discussion section makes clear:

"it can be inferred from that a 20% variation in the ion production can 
impact the growth rate in the range 1–4% (under the pristine 
conditions). It is suggested that such changes in the growth rate can 
explain the ~2% changes in clouds and aerosol change observed during 
Forbush decreases7"

There is also another problem with the theory.  After 9/11, all flights 
were banned for some days afterwards, and some US scientists noticed 
during this period how clear and sunny were the skies in the absence of 
con-trails.  This led them to investigate what is now often referred to 
as 'Global Dimming', which is increased cloud cover and changes in its 
nature, caused by the widespread presence of pollutants in the 
atmosphere, reflecting more of the sun's radiation back into space. 
Global dimming is widely accepted to have caused cooling 
contemporaneously with CO2 producing warming which has led us to 
underestimate the effect of the latter ...

http://www.globalissues.org/article/529/global-dimming

Now, if it is really true that cosmic rays are causing clouds, it's 
certain that those clouds, besides trapping heat by absorbing radiation 
from the ground, will also reflect a portion of the incident energy from 
the sun back into space.  AFAIK, no-one has tested which will actually 
be greater, and thereby whether cooling or warming will actually occur!

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