Re: Take that Obama! China builds world's fastest supercomputer without U.S. chips

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.sys.intel, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: Take that Obama! China builds world's fastest supercomputer without U.S. chips
Date	2016-06-22 08:40 -0700
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On 6/22/16, 7:15 AM, in article j4xaz.24034$sN4.5819@fx18.iad, "Wolf K"
<wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2016-06-22 09:05, chrisv wrote:
>> Wolf K wrote:
>> 
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Snit so wittily quipped:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate
>>>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.
>>>> 
>>>> Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.
>>>> 
>>>> In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.
>>>> 
>>>> Idiot.
>>> 
>>> If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.
>> 
>> That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
>> increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.
> 
> The net effect is the monetising of the costs. The costs are what they
> are, whether monetised or not. Pollution is a cost, whether you clean it
> up or not. Only question: cheaper to clean it up now, or let it go?
> 
>> I'm not saying that this is a bad trade-off, but it *is* a trade-off.
>> If we take a shit on mother Earth, we can afford more "stuff".
> 
> Necessities aren't a trade-off. You can trade-off amenities and
> luxuries, but not necessities.
> 
>>> Life isn't about making money.
>> 
>> "Making money" is a huge part of life.
> 
> I'll rephrase: Thinking of making money as a purpose of the economy is
> like thinking of pumping blood as the purpose of the body.
> 
>>> Idiot.
>> 
>> Stating facts to debunk the "Snit" thing's "logic" hardly me an
>> "idiot".
> 
> I was using your argument pattern. Shouldn't have done that. Please
> forgive my discourtesy.
> 
> Facts don't prove or debunk. It's their arrangement into propositions
> that prove or debunk. And the facts must be both relevant (relatively
> easy) and complete (quite difficult). Incomplete facts may lull us into
> thinking there is no problem.
> 
>> On the other hand, your reading into my post something that was not
>> there...
> 
> I don't think so. While your point was valid enough, it was unsound,
> because it was a) incomplete; and b) confused money and cost. $1 is to
> cost as 1ft is to size. That's all. The cost of pollution must still be
> paid, whether it's measured in dollars or not. And it will be paid, if
> not now then later.
> 
> Bottom line: Housekeeping will cost you. If you don't do it now, you'll
> have to do it later. Then it will cost more.
> 
> PS: Money is a measure of cost, not cost as such. Trouble is, most
> people fallen into the mistake of believing that if there's no $$$
> attached, there's no cost. Surely you know better than that.
> 
> Have a good day,

What we need to do is find the approximate cost from the pollution in terms
of how much it will cost to people and environmental cleanup... then include
the cost in the price of products. Stop socializing the costs. But
conservatives LOVE socialism for the rich.


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