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Re: Take that Obama! China builds world's fastest supercomputer without U.S. chips

From Jack Ryan <mixmaster@remailer.cpunk.us>
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Subject Re: Take that Obama! China builds world's fastest supercomputer without U.S. chips
Message-ID <1502ac56515b883baf3a23b25017d3c2@remailer.cpunk.us> (permalink)
Date 2016-06-22 07:18 -0400
Newsgroups alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.politics.obama, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.sys.intel
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In article <FbadnYJnYNE3d_TKnZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>
gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

>Yes, heavily edited.
>
>  [ ... ]
>
>>>>>> Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.
>
>  [ ... ]
>
>  You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
>  for over four BILLION years? Throughout that time, the climate has
>  been both significantly warmer and significantly cooler than it is
>  now. All without intervention by that minor skin irritation called
>  "humanity".

But usually at a much slower pace than what we see now.

>
>  Climate change is simply a fact of life to be noted; sometimes it'll
>  be warmer, sometimes colder, mor stormy or less. It has never been a
>  static system, and never will be until the sun goes nova and blasts
>  away the atmosphere and oceans. And at that point humanity will have
>  spread to other star systems, or vanished and been replaced.

Spread to other star systems?  Through wormhole bridges I guess.  ;)

>
>  The doomsday screaming is a combination of politics and fraud.
>
>  [ ... ]
>
>>>> The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money in
>>>> the long run.
>  [ ... ]
>
>  Nope. Spain tried to convert to solar and wind; it's destroyed their
>  economy. Even Google tried to power a data center with wind/solar, and
>  even they couldn't make it work.

http://qz.com/680661/germany-had-so-much-renewable-energy-on-sunday-that-it-had-to-pay-people-to-use-electricity/

Energy prices went down, the initial subsidies are now cut.  A win-win
situation for the producers of renewable power and the population.

Only German politicians are just too stupid to make the former energy
monopolists, who unfortunately own the transmission grid, build more
lines to bring that power to the consumer.  Or are they mobbed-up by
these big energy companies, which with their ancient nuclear and coal
plants suffer from cheap decentralized power production?

>
>
>  The best energy source available in terms of reliability and
>  cleanliness is nuclear.

Nuclear power clean?  More than a hundred years ago Roentgen discovered
x-rays, followed by Becquerel, who discovered the phenomenon of
radioactivity.  You should learn about that.

So where to put radioactive waste for hundreds or thousands of years?
Don't forget about these hidden costs of nuclear energy, and the costs
of nuclear pollution in case something goes wrong.

Or think about ground water poisoned by natural gas fracking chemicals.

And read the WSJ article
Six Myths About Renewable Energy
The impact on jobs and other assumptions that don't hold up anymore 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432404579052900100464562

Why does a society, armed to the teeth to defend its freedom, bind
itself to big energy monopolists, who dictate what's good or bad?

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