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  Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? castlevarich <castlevarich@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 09:25 -0800
    Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 23:24 +0100
      Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:45 +0000
        Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 12:07 +0100
          Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 12:11 +0000
            Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-03-08 12:43 +0000
              Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 14:13 +0100
                Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:03 +0100
          Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:56 +0000
            Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:10 +0000
              Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:13 +0100
              Re: Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:10 +0000
                Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ???? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 21:23 +0000

#4041 — Latin 2 fonts on RISC OS anybody ????

Hi, everybody

Does anybody have a FREE RISC OS font that contains the
Latin 2, ISO 8859-2 Central European characters in it ???

I know that EFF does some, but I'm looking for one that
could be made into a free download, complete with a
keyboard driver.

Jon Robinson, Leeds

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#4051

In message <4d5b1aee-b4a7-4113-be6e-312a426d03c4@q18g2000yqh.googlegro 
ups.com>
          castlevarich <castlevarich@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Does anybody have a FREE RISC OS font that contains the
> Latin 2, ISO 8859-2 Central European characters in it ???

Trinity, Homerton, Corpus, for a start. They all contain the full 
Latin-2 set, and a few other Latin sets, too. Run !XChars, click on 
the tiny option button to the left of the font name and choose Latin-2 
encoding. That shows you what the font looks like when opened with 
Latin-2 encoding. If you had a word processor that supported font 
encodings you could use these characters in your documents, but sadly, 
our word processors do not allow you to choose the encoding.

In case of an emergency, you can type *alphabet latin2 on the command 
line to change the global system default and then all word processors 
will display and print the Latin2 characters in the above fonts 
instead of Latin1. Type *alphabet latin1 to switch back.

> I know that EFF does some, but I'm looking for one that
> could be made into a free download, complete with a
> keyboard driver.

I suppose what you want is not just a font that contains the Latin-2 
characters as you requested above, but a Latin-2 font that is directly 
encoded in Latin-2, so you can use it in applications that do not know 
about encodings and simply open the font in its default encoding.

I have never seen one apart from those by EFF.

-- 
Martin
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        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4059

In article <2bf4ec6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> I suppose what you want is not just a font that contains
> the Latin-2 characters as you requested above, but a
> Latin-2 font that is directly encoded in Latin-2, so you
> can use it in applications that do not know about
> encodings and simply open the font in its default
> encoding.

And, I assumed from the original posting, one that prints
out in Latin-2.

For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2 (=
Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters correctly (I
use Trinity as my standard font in Pluto), but what prints
out is Latin-1.

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Russell
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#4062

In message <526d2b50b9see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <2bf4ec6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
> Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>> I suppose what you want is not just a font that contains
>> the Latin-2 characters as you requested above, but a
>> Latin-2 font that is directly encoded in Latin-2, so you
>> can use it in applications that do not know about
>> encodings and simply open the font in its default
>> encoding.

> And, I assumed from the original posting, one that prints
> out in Latin-2.

Unless the font is broken it will print the way it displays. In fact, 
for non-PostScript printing screen display and printing are identical 
as far as the font is concerned. PostScript is a different matter. A 
broken font could display correctly but print incorrectly to 
PostScript.

> For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2 (=
> Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters correctly (I
> use Trinity as my standard font in Pluto), but what prints
> out is Latin-1.

That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4064

In article <d7db326d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526d2b50b9see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News
> <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> > In article <2bf4ec6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
> > Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> >> I suppose what you want is not just a font that
> >> contains the Latin-2 characters as you requested
> >> above, but a Latin-2 font that is directly encoded in
> >> Latin-2, so you can use it in applications that do not
> >> know about encodings and simply open the font in its
> >> default encoding.

> > And, I assumed from the original posting, one that
> > prints out in Latin-2.

> Unless the font is broken it will print the way it
> displays. In fact, for non-PostScript printing screen
> display and printing are identical as far as the font is
> concerned. PostScript is a different matter. A broken
> font could display correctly but print incorrectly to
> PostScript.

Would this apply to PCL?

> > For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2 (=
> > Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters
> > correctly (I use Trinity as my standard font in Pluto),
> > but what prints out is Latin-1.

> That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.

Thank you for that.

Given the sometimes strange things that Pluto does with UTF
encoded e-mail (as we have discussed sometime earlier)
perhaps I should not be surprised?

Presumably the fact that cutting and pasting Latin-2 text
into an Easiwriter document, using Trinity, gives me
Latin-1 text, is down to EW not supporting font encodings?

Any chance that that might change?
:-)

I have absolutely no idea hw difficult it is to implement.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4066

On 08/03/2012 12:11, Russell Hafter News wrote:
> In article<d7db326d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
> Wuerthner<spamtrap@mw-software.com>  wrote:
>> In message<526d2b50b9see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>>            Russell Hafter News
>> <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>  wrote:
>
>>> In article<2bf4ec6c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
>>> Martin Wuerthner<spamtrap@mw-software.com>  wrote:
>
>>>> I suppose what you want is not just a font that
>>>> contains the Latin-2 characters as you requested
>>>> above, but a Latin-2 font that is directly encoded in
>>>> Latin-2, so you can use it in applications that do not
>>>> know about encodings and simply open the font in its
>>>> default encoding.
>
>>> And, I assumed from the original posting, one that
>>> prints out in Latin-2.
>
>> Unless the font is broken it will print the way it
>> displays. In fact, for non-PostScript printing screen
>> display and printing are identical as far as the font is
>> concerned. PostScript is a different matter. A broken
>> font could display correctly but print incorrectly to
>> PostScript.
>
> Would this apply to PCL?
>
>>> For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2 (=
>>> Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters
>>> correctly (I use Trinity as my standard font in Pluto),
>>> but what prints out is Latin-1.
>
>> That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.
>
> Thank you for that.
>
> Given the sometimes strange things that Pluto does with UTF
> encoded e-mail (as we have discussed sometime earlier)
> perhaps I should not be surprised?
>

It's been a while since I last used Pluto, having changed to MPro a few 
years back, but I seem to remember that it uses the printer's builtin 
text font for printouts, not RISC OS outline fonts. Many modern printers 
don't have built in text fonts anymore, and this was one of the reasons 
for ditching Pluto even though there were a couple of features that I 
still miss.

Grahame.

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#4069

In article <jja9i4$hsp$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
   Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> wrote:

> It's been a while since I last used Pluto, having changed to MPro a few 
> years back, but I seem to remember that it uses the printer's builtin 
> text font for printouts, not RISC OS outline fonts. Many modern printers 
> don't have built in text fonts anymore, and this was one of the reasons 
> for ditching Pluto even though there were a couple of features that I 
> still miss.

This is easily got round by exporting the e-mail/article into the excellent
NetSurf, where it will appear in printable form in the font Corpus by
default.

This is why I make such a fuss if textfile-loading becomes broken in
NetSurf as has happened.  It's just /so/ useful!

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4079

In message <526d3e5198UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
          "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <jja9i4$hsp$1@speranza.aioe.org>,
>    Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> wrote:

>> It's been a while since I last used Pluto, having changed to MPro a few
>> years back, but I seem to remember that it uses the printer's builtin
>> text font for printouts, not RISC OS outline fonts. Many modern printers
>> don't have built in text fonts anymore, and this was one of the reasons
>> for ditching Pluto even though there were a couple of features that I
>> still miss.

> This is easily got round by exporting the e-mail/article into the excellent
> NetSurf, where it will appear in printable form in the font Corpus by
> default.

Which works fine except in this specific case because text files do 
not have any encoding information, so the text will be interpreted as 
Latin-1. Back to square one...

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4068

In article <d7db326d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> > For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2 (=
> > Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters correctly (I
> > use Trinity as my standard font in Pluto), but what prints
> > out is Latin-1.

> That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.

Unless he's got "Use printer's text font" ticked perhaps, it's what I
normally use

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4076

In article <526d3ccc84Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <d7db326d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
> Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> > > For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2
> > > (= Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters
> > > correctly (I use Trinity as my standard font in
> > > Pluto), but what prints out is Latin-1.

> > That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.

> Unless he's got "Use printer's text font" ticked perhaps,
> it's what I normally use

Printing is supposed to be in Trinity, but I see that that
option is also ticked in the print dialogue.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4080

In message <526d540327see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <526d3ccc84Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> In article <d7db326d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
>> Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>>>> For example, if an e-mail is received in iso-8859-2
>>>> (= Latin-2), Pluto displays the latin-2 characters
>>>> correctly (I use Trinity as my standard font in
>>>> Pluto), but what prints out is Latin-1.

>>> That points to a fault in Pluto, not the font.

>> Unless he's got "Use printer's text font" ticked perhaps,
>> it's what I normally use

> Printing is supposed to be in Trinity, but I see that that
> option is also ticked in the print dialogue.

OK, in that case Pluto sends plain text to the printer and neither the 
RISC OS font nor the RISC OS printer driver is involved.

There is no way Pluto can tell the printer what the encoding is 
because that is a printer specific feature.  Of course, it could be 
done for PCL printers, but Pluto would have to have special support 
for that. Basically, Pluto would have to have its own drivers for all 
sorts of printers. Back to the 80s! But then, plain text printing is 
very much 80s.

I do not think Pluto should attempt to print anything except ASCII 
characters directly to a printer via plain text printing. Even with 
Latin-1 characters outside the ASCII range, e.g., accented characters, 
there is no guarantee that the printer will print anything sensible.

If Pluto can print via the RISC OS printer driver like most other 
applications (which, I presume, it does if you untick that option), 
then that should work with Latin-2 text just fine.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4084

In article <526d540327see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <526d3ccc84Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

[ ... ]

> > Unless he's got "Use printer's text font" ticked perhaps,
> > it's what I normally use

> Printing is supposed to be in Trinity, but I see that that
> option is also ticked in the print dialogue.

I don't understand what you mean; there is no option for Trinity
in the print dialogue.

Pluto has 2 places for setting printing choices: 'Use printer's
text font' means exactly what it says and is possibly useful if
someone uses a really old printer. If that box is not ticked a
graphic font is used as set in Iconbar_menu -> Preferences ->
Fonts -> Print,  which may be any font available on your machine
/and/ with size, proportion and line spacing as set on the boxes
on the right. This font may be in Trinity but I prefer to use a
monospaced font, such as Corpus.Medium, with sizes to match as
far as is possible the screen display, usually Homerton.Medium
but switchable (Ctrl-Shift-F) to Corpus.Bold. This allows printed
emails to match closely the screen display.


Brian.

-- 
______________________________________________________________

Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK  
______________________________________________________________

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#4086

In article <526d648173bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>, Brian
Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526d540327see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:
> > In article <526d3ccc84Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
> > <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> [ ... ]

> > > Unless he's got "Use printer's text font" ticked
> > > perhaps, it's what I normally use

> > Printing is supposed to be in Trinity, but I see that
> > that option is also ticked in the print dialogue.

> I don't understand what you mean; there is no option for
> Trinity in the print dialogue.

No, I am talking about the bit below...

> Pluto has 2 places for setting printing choices: 'Use
> printer's text font' means exactly what it says and is
> possibly useful if someone uses a really old printer. If
> that box is not ticked a graphic font is used as set in
> Iconbar_menu -> Preferences -> Fonts -> Print,  which may
> be any font available on your machine /and/ with size,
> proportion and line spacing as set on the boxes on the
> right. This font may be in Trinity

... here, where I have Trinity set as the print font and as
the text font, ie on screen display. I find this much easier
on the eye than Corpus.

I can switch to Corpus if someone has sent an e-mail that
depends on mono-spacing for comprehension.

> but I prefer to use a monospaced font, such as
> Corpus.Medium, with sizes to match as far as is possible
> the screen display, usually Homerton.Medium but
> switchable (Ctrl-Shift-F) to Corpus.Bold. This allows
> printed emails to match closely the screen display.

Trying it now, I see why I have 'Use printer's text font'
ticked.

If I leave it unticked, I get the error 'Undefined font
handle (print cancelled)'. Worse, clicking on OK freezes the
entire machine most of the time, requiring a full reset.

I suspect I discovered this years ago, left 'Use printer's
text font' ticked and long ago forgot why.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
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