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Spelling reform on the keyboard?

Started by	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
First post	2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4009 — Spelling reform on the keyboard?

From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
Subject	Spelling reform on the keyboard?
Message-ID	<77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>

I am a spelling reformer and a member of
http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds. One of the
things we do is to use two letters together to write one sound, eg
'th' for the teeth on tongue sound in "the". The trouble with that we
sometimes want to use them to sound separately, as in "foothold". So
we need more letters, handwriting is not a problem, we can all learn,
the big obstacle is mechanised text, and here technical progress has
been in favour of reform, there are more letters, with unicode
codings. All modern screens and printers will show and print these
characters.  We cannot let a subsequent text editor combine t + h to 
give  Þ unless it has a great deal of knowledge of what is and is not 
corrent, in effect a spell-checker. How can we produce them on a 
qwerty keyboard?

On possibility is to re-map the keyboard, as is done for German and
the Scandinavian languages. How easy is it to produce such a
re-mapping in way that can be supplied to users? There seems to be a
limit to the number of new letters that can be produced, am I right?

Another possibility is to use two keys held down together to produce 
the new letter, for example t pressed down with h produces the symbol 
for the voiced th in 'the' = Þ, and d pressed down with h produces the 
symbol for the unvoiced th in 'thistle' = ð. These letters exist in 
both capital and small forms, Þ þ Ð ð, so capitalisation has to be 
thought of. The "other" keys might be ctrl and alt-ctrl.


Spell-checkers are not a problem, they can be modified. All 
dictionaries are databases recording the standard spelling of a word, 
its grammatical changes (the plural form, the tenses etc), a 
definition of its meaning and the pronunciation, even if they don't 
show all these entries. The pronunciation can be reworked into 
whatever standard has been chosen. What's needed is to reverse the 
correct and incorrect, make the phonetic form correct and the standard 
form incorrect.

The bottle-neck is getting it right in the first place, to produce the 
new letters straight off the keyboard. What are the possibilities?

Michael Bell

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#4016

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
Message-ID	<526cac3a90Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4009

In article <77e2a26c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> I am a spelling reformer and a member of
> http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
> English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds.

If it ain't broke don't try to mend it.

The system we have works, without having to generate all sorts of strange
characters like a lot of foreign languages have to, by putting weird
combinations of dots and ^ over their letters, so leave well alone.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

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#4018

From	Chris Bell <news@highpath.net>
Date	2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
Message-ID	<526cb14943news@highpath.net>
In reply to	#4016

Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

> > I am a spelling reformer and a member of
> > http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
> > English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds.

> If it ain't broke don't try to mend it.

> The system we have works, without having to generate all sorts of
> strange characters like a lot of foreign languages have to, by
> putting weird combinations of dots and ^ over their letters, so leave
> well alone.

I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic, like
Welsh and other helpful languages.  It would make everything so much
easier for everyone - especially, of course, foreigners!

But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing
it here at all?

Chris.

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#4024

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
Message-ID	<526cb91e51Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4018

In article <526cb14943news@highpath.net>,
   Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic, like
> Welsh and other helpful languages.

The Welsh also use combinations of letters, compare d with dd

Americans have already gone phonetic, color for example, which has no
impact on the keyboard.

> But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing
> it here at all?

Agreed.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

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#4027

From	Chris Bell <news@highpath.net>
Date	2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
Message-ID	<526cc00de4news@highpath.net>
In reply to	#4024

Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> > I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic,
> > like Welsh and other helpful languages.

> The Welsh also use combinations of letters, compare d with dd

Yes, but 'd' is always pronounced 'd' and 'dd' is always pronounced as
a hard 'th' - no exceptions.  Once they know the rules, anyone could
read a Welsh book out loud and Welsh speakers would understand every
word - that can't be done with English!  Anyway, for those who haven't
seen it yet, this imminent piece of European legislation should give us
all hope...

EEC # 18362/351237/1.34
Brussells, 16.01.11
Subject: New European Spelling

The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been
reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
communications, rather than German, which was the other possibility. 
As part of the negotiations, Her Majesty's Government conceded that
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a
five-year phased plan for what will be known as EuroEnglish (Euro for
short).  In the first year, 's' will be used instead of the soft 'c'. 
Sertainly, sivil servants will resieve this news with joy.  Also, the
hard 'c' will be replaced with 'k'.  Not only will this klear up
konfusion, but typewriters kan have one less letter.  There will be
growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year, when the troublesome 'ph'
will be replaced by 'f'.  This will make words like 'fotograf' 20 per
sent shorter.  In the third year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling
kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are
possible.  Governments will enkorage the removal of double letters,
which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling.  Also, al wil agre
that the horible mes of silent 'e's in the languag is disgrasful, and
they would go.  By the fourth year, peopl wil be reseptiv to steps such
as replasing 'th' by 'z' and 'w' by 'v'.  During ze fifz year, ze
unesesary 'o' kan be dropd from vords kontaining 'ou', and similar
changes vud of kors be aplid to ozer kombinations of leters.  After zis
fifz yer, ve vil hav a reli sensibil riten styl.  Zer vil be no mor
trubils or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi tu understand ech
ozer. Ze drem vil finali kum tru.

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#4029

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
Message-ID	<526cc1b838Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4027

In article <526cc00de4news@highpath.net>,
   Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been
> reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
> communications,

Yes, I've seen it before <g>

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4038

From	Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]>
Date	2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
Message-ID	<mpro.m0ixsa009g3f8009k@ypical.nospam.invalid>
In reply to	#4029

In message <526cc1b838Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
     Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <526cc00de4news@highpath.net>,
>    Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> > The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been
> > reached to adopt English as the preferred language for European
> > communications,
> 
> Yes, I've seen it before <g>

That's frightening. Read something similar in my yoof... Reader's Digest
Junior Treasury, I think. Called Kaos in Ce Klasrum or some such.

-- 
Fred

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#4030

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
Message-ID	<526cc22ad5Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4027

In article <526cc00de4news@highpath.net>,
   Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> Yes, but 'd' is always pronounced 'd' and 'dd' is always pronounced as
> a hard 'th' - no exceptions.  Once they know the rules, anyone could
> read a Welsh book out loud and Welsh speakers would understand every
> word - that can't be done with English!

But Michael, it seems, wouldn't be happy with that either. He would want a
seperate symbol to replace dd, hence his need for a new keyboard!

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4034

From	M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
Message-ID	<526cc47a33riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
In reply to	#4027

In article <526cc00de4news@highpath.net>,
   Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:
> > > I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was
> > > phonetic, like Welsh and other helpful languages.

> > The Welsh also use combinations of letters, compare d with dd

> Yes, but 'd' is always pronounced 'd' and 'dd' is always pronounced
> as a hard 'th' - no exceptions.  Once they know the rules, anyone
> could read a Welsh book out loud and Welsh speakers would
> understand every word - that can't be done with English!  Anyway,
> for those who haven't seen it yet, this imminent piece of European
> legislation should give us all hope...

> EEC # 18362/351237/1.34
> Brussells, 16.01.11
> Subject: New European Spelling

May I carrect ye dait? It was 2011-4-1.

I'm always amused that the obsolete OldEnglish letter "thorn" (= "th")
is still mistaken for Y in "Ye olde teashoppe". 

If a (paid-for) new keyboard for distribution is seriously required,
your man is at EFF, catering for RISC OS & Microsoft.

Personally I think Webster has a lot to answer for, without further
(farther?) muddying the water.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#4037

From	Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
Message-ID	<526ccdb861bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4034


> I'm always amused that the obsolete OldEnglish letter "thorn" (= "th")

OldEnglish?? Anglo-Saxon and Icelandic/Norse, surely.

> is still mistaken for Y in "Ye olde teashoppe". 

I'm a bit bemused by Martin's observation that þ and ð are standard
Latin-1 characters. There have been claims that the Runic alphabet was
derived *from* Latin. And as for Chris's Subject: New European Spelling, I
hope that's a joke. Let's get the Euro zone economy right before they
tackle really difficult stuff like spelling. I don't know, what are we
coming to. 8-)

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#4048

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.636239797383817520@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4024

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 12:58:15 +0000 (GMT), Stuart 
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Americans have already gone phonetic, color for example,

Why don't you try "Kansas" vs "Arkansas"?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4026

From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
Message-ID	<5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
In reply to	#4018

In message <526cb14943news@highpath.net>
          Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> wrote:

> Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:

>>> I am a spelling reformer and a member of
>>> http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
>>> English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds.

>> If it ain't broke don't try to mend it.

>> The system we have works, without having to generate all sorts of
>> strange characters like a lot of foreign languages have to, by
>> putting weird combinations of dots and ^ over their letters, so leave
>> well alone.

> I agree with Michael and wish that English spelling was phonetic, like
> Welsh and other helpful languages.  It would make everything so much
> easier for everyone - especially, of course, foreigners!

> But this isn't a computing problem, so what's the point in discussing
> it here at all?

> Chris.

How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a 
computing problem.

Michael Bell



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#4028

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
Message-ID	<526cbf084dSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4026

In article <5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
   Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a 
> computing problem.

Only to yourself and about a dozen others methinks

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4032

From	Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date	2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
Message-ID	<abb5c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to	#4028

In message <526cbf084dSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
>    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
>> How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a
>> computing problem.

> Only to yourself and about a dozen others methinks

Last time I looked there were quite a few more people around who 
wanted to type text in languages other than English, and they all have 
the same problem.

Whether you want to type text in Icelandic or in a newly invented 
spelling for English does not make any difference, the requirements 
are the same.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4228

From	workstuff@mail.com
Date	2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
Message-ID	<167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#4032

In message <abb5c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
          Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> In message <526cbf084dSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
>           Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <5e70bc6c52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>,
> >    Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> wrote:
> >> How to get different characters from a standard keyboard *is* a
> >> computing problem.
> 
> > Only to yourself and about a dozen others methinks
> 
> Last time I looked there were quite a few more people around who 
> wanted to type text in languages other than English, and they all have 
> the same problem.
> 
Indeed. Whilst my BB works fine with a Norwegian USB keyboard (with the
exception of the @ symbol which is "Alt-Gr 2" but that is another
problem all together), and on my Iyonix, æ and ø are just an Alt click
away å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine. It requires me to
remember Alt 229 and Alt 197. Then there are Swedish "umlauts" to deal
with every now and again (just read the post from Mr Hafter about how
to deal with umlauts in RISC OS. Thanks!).

I also use MacOSX and Linux computers to write Norwegian emails, both
have their own way of dealing with such characters. My Win 7 PC at
work has a Norwegian keyboard, but as yet I have not taken the time to
find out how to get a "ä", "Ö" or and "é" out of it let alone a "£"
sign.

<aside> Oh and my Linux netbook has a UK keyboard whilst my Macbook has
US keyboard. </aside>

Cheers
 Stan


-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

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#4230

From	Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date	2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
Message-ID	<526f5ed713Paul@sprie.nl>
In reply to	#4228

In article <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
   <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:

>  å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine

Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A).
Here, watch: å! And again: å.
Easy, really.

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4232

From	workstuff@mail.com
Date	2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
Message-ID	<43d6626f52.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#4230

In message <526f5ed713Paul@sprie.nl>
          Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

> In article <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
> 
> >  å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine
> 
> Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A).
> Here, watch: å! And again: å.
> Easy, really.
>
a
a
Ah... you mean "Alt . a". That must have been the only combination I
didn't try after reading the other post. Not sure how I missed it.

Fåntåstic. Dank je wel.
 Cheers Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

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#4249

From	JTM <usenetbin@free.fr>
Date	2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
Message-ID	<526fbd9354usenetbin@free.fr>
In reply to	#4232

In article <43d6626f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
   <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
> In message <526f5ed713Paul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers
>           <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

> > In article <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
> >    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >  å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine
> > 
> > Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A). Here, watch: å!
> > And again: å. Easy, really.
> >
> a a Ah... you mean "Alt . a". That must have been the
> only combination I didn't try after reading the other
> post. Not sure how I missed it.

> Fåntåstic. Dank je wel. Cheers Stan

Or on this french imac keyboard "Alt : q" gives å
Not in common use in East Lancashire or in
this part of France.  But I do like to see these characters
and wonder how they're pronounced.

John

-- 
 John Mulrooney
NOTE Email address IS correct but might not be checked for a while.

The brave do not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.

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#4254

From	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
Message-ID	<5ffae26f52.michaelbell@michael.beaverbell.co.uk>
In reply to	#4249

In message <526fbd9354usenetbin@free.fr>
          JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> wrote:

> In article <43d6626f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
>> In message <526f5ed713Paul@sprie.nl> Paul Sprangers
>>           <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:

>>> In article <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
>>>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine
>>> 
>>> Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A). Here, watch: å!
>>> And again: å. Easy, really.
>>>
>> a a Ah... you mean "Alt . a". That must have been the
>> only combination I didn't try after reading the other
>> post. Not sure how I missed it.

>> Fåntåstic. Dank je wel. Cheers Stan

> Or on this french imac keyboard "Alt : q" gives å
> Not in common use in East Lancashire or in
> this part of France.  But I do like to see these characters
> and wonder how they're pronounced.

> John

The letter Å in Norwegian is pronounced half-way between the vowel in 
"hole" and the vowel in "haul", and there is a great deal of 
variation, not just regional variation, but also when a speaker 
repeats the same word in the same sentence. Nobody speaks or hears 
with perfect accuracy, it is part of learning a language to know the 
*range* of sounds which count as "the same".

Michael Bell

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#4256

From	workstufff@mail.com
Date	2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
Message-ID	<1972e36f52.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#4249

In message <526fbd9354usenetbin@free.fr>
          JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> wrote:

[snip]
> Or on this french imac keyboard "Alt : q" gives å
> Not in common use in East Lancashire or in
> this part of France.  But I do like to see these characters
> and wonder how they're pronounced.
> 
http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17
gives you an idea of how Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the
net for sites that provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.
Cheers
Stan
-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

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