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  help please ... not booting properly Chris <decordova@ukgateway.net> - 2012-04-29 12:37 +0100
    Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 12:57 +0100
      Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 14:07 +0200
        Re: help please ... not booting properly Tennant Stuart <tennant@orpheus.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 23:37 +0100
          Re: help please ... not booting properly "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 06:20 +0000
          Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 08:32 +0200
          Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 10:18 +0100
    Re: help please ... not booting properly Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-04-29 13:14 +0100
      Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 14:04 +0100
      Re: help please ... not booting properly Chris <decordova@ukgateway.net> - 2012-04-29 13:29 +0100
        Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 16:24 +0200
        Re: help please ... not booting properly Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-04-29 15:42 +0100
          Re: help please ... not booting properly Chris <decordova@ukgateway.net> - 2012-04-29 16:29 +0100
            help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 17:48 +0200
              Re: help please ... not booting properly SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-04-29 16:59 +0100
                Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 03:32 -0700
                  Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 14:03 +0200
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-04-30 13:31 +0100
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 05:53 -0700
                        Re: help please ... not booting properly Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 15:24 +0100
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 16:44 +0200
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 16:05 +0100
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 08:20 -0700
                        Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 21:19 +0200
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-03 09:47 -0700
                        saving a Taskwindow Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 17:00 +0100
                          Re: saving a Taskwindow John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 18:15 +0100
                          Re: saving a Taskwindow Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-05-07 19:24 +0100
                            Re: saving a Taskwindow Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-05-07 20:07 +0100
                              Re: saving a Taskwindow John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 22:02 +0100
                                Re: saving a Taskwindow Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-05-07 22:08 +0100
                                  Re: saving a Taskwindow Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-05-07 23:14 +0100
                                    Re: saving a Taskwindow Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-05-08 00:10 +0100
                                      Re: saving a Taskwindow Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 11:34 +0100
                                        Re: saving a Taskwindow Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-05-08 15:12 +0100
                                      Re: saving a Taskwindow John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 03:46 +0100
                                  Re: saving a Taskwindow Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 04:29 +0200
                                    Re: saving a Taskwindow Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-05-08 03:45 +0100
                              Re: saving a Taskwindow Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 06:13 +0100
                                Re: saving a Taskwindow Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-05-08 08:01 +0200
                                  Re: saving a Taskwindow Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 07:27 +0100
                                    Re: saving a Taskwindow Brian Debenham <brian@bdebenham.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 08:14 +0100
                                      Re: saving a Taskwindow Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 09:00 +0100
                                        Re: saving a Taskwindow "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-05-08 11:24 +0100
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 18:28 +0100
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 05:44 -0700
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 14:16 +0100
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 21:26 +0200
                        Re: help please ... not booting properly Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-30 22:20 +0100
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-04-30 22:49 +0100
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-04-30 22:42 +0100
              Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 03:30 -0700
                Re: help please ... not booting properly Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 13:59 +0100
                Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 21:31 +0200
                  Re: help please ... not booting properly Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-30 22:35 +0100
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-01 16:34 +0200
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-05-01 16:01 +0100
                  Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-03 09:54 -0700
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 19:16 +0200
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 17:54 +0000
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 18:32 +0100
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-03 18:02 +0000
                      Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-04 03:38 -0700
                        Re: help please ... not booting properly cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-05-04 12:48 +0100
                          Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-04 08:07 -0700
                            Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-04 09:06 -0700
                              Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 17:12 +0000
                                Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-04 10:20 -0700
                                  Re: help please ... not booting properly "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 19:36 +0200
                                    Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-05-04 11:07 -0700
                                      Re: help please ... not booting properly "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 18:40 +0000
                                        Re: help please ... not booting properly Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-05-04 21:03 +0100
                                      Re: help please ... not booting properly cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-05-08 08:49 +0100
                                  Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 18:15 +0000
                                    Re: help please ... not booting properly cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-05-04 19:47 +0100
                                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-04 22:26 +0000
                                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 05:10 +0200
                                      Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-05 08:16 +0000
            Re: help please ... not booting properly Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-04-29 16:42 +0100
            Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 17:04 +0000
              Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 03:27 -0700
                Re: help please ... not booting properly cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> - 2012-04-30 04:29 -0700
                Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 22:24 +0200
        Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-29 15:39 +0100
          Re: help please ... not booting properly Barry Gray <barrygray@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 14:51 +0100
            Re: help please ... not booting properly druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-04-30 22:34 +0100
              Re: help please ... not booting properly Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-01 16:39 +0200
            Re: help please ... not booting properly Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-04-30 22:57 +0100
            Re: help please ... not booting properly "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-04-30 23:57 +0100
              Re: help please ... not booting properly Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-05-01 14:05 +0100
                Re: help please ... not booting properly Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-05-01 15:33 +0000
                  Re: help please ... not booting properly Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-05-01 17:46 +0100
                    Re: help please ... not booting properly Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-05-01 21:21 +0100

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#5421 — Re: saving a Taskwindow

In article <528c80d1cfzuiderduin@hotmail.com>,
   Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <528c7c5e12dave@triffid.co.uk>,
>    Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <528c44e5c7chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>,
> >    Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:
> > > In article <528c4101b3see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
> > >    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > > > I always wondered what 'Suspend' was about. I have always
> > > > used 'Kill'.

> > > If you use 'Suspend', then you will find 'Resume' will become
> > > available, so you can use it as a taskwindow again. Kill will end the
> > > taskwindow capability permanently.

> > Perhaps someone would be kind enough to note for me just where these
> > menu options are?

> > I use the Ctrl F12 TaskWindow quite a bit and have never seen, nor can
> > now find a menu option with 'Suspend' or 'Resume' in it.

> Open a StrongED TaskWindow and click Menu on the word 'TaskWindow' in
> the bottom bar. Suspend, Resume and Kill task should be the last three
> items on the menu.

> > I've just re-read the thread from Jim's post on... Why would you need
> > to 'Suspend' anyway?

> > Here (eg. after Status [Return] I just press f3 and I get a 'Save as'
> > dialogue with "TaskWindow" in the dialogue ready to be saved (I could
> > as per usual, change the word in the writable to anything suitable).

> > ??

> Indeed.

> Regards,
> Frank

Ah! I see.
I'm using Zap.

Having played around a bit I find that Edit  also has the same menu
options, but as I haven't seen Edit on my Icon bar for... Well, it's too
long to remember when...

Thanks
Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#5422 — Re: saving a Taskwindow

I've just had look round my !Zap (only 1.45) and the options are there:

Mode -> Taskwindow -> Suspend

etc.

Brian

-- 
Brian Debenham
brian@bdebenham.co.uk
StrongARMed and dangerous !
Chelmsford CAMRA: http://www.chelmsfordcamra.org.uk/

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#5424 — Re: saving a Taskwindow

On 8 May 2012  Brian Debenham <brian@bdebenham.co.uk> wrote:

> I've just had look round my !Zap (only 1.45) and the options are there:

> Mode -> Taskwindow -> Suspend

And there are the same options in StrongED (menu over a window in 
TaskWindow mode).

With best wishes,

Peter.

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and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
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#5426 — Re: saving a Taskwindow

In article <a6b28b8c52.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
   Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 8 May 2012  Brian Debenham <brian@bdebenham.co.uk> wrote:

> > I've just had look round my !Zap (only 1.45) and the options are there:

> > Mode -> Taskwindow -> Suspend

> And there are the same options in StrongED (menu over a window in 
> TaskWindow mode).

And in Edit. ;-)

-- 
*Be more or less specific *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#5248

In article <60ce858852.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>,
   <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <almarsoft.519487987837099675@news.orange.fr>
>           Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), cdec 
> > <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > back .... so why is the backplane shown at the opposite side - the
> > > front?
> > 
> > Um, try looking at it the other way up?
>  
> It is a picture of the motherboard - not the computer.

> Battery over near the Powersupply fan - it I remember correctly.
> Probable get away with sniping of the legs - 1/4 inch up - and when
> cleaned up - soldering a new battery in place.

> APDL are one that can supply batteries.

> If battery coated in bits of white - need small wire cutters - cut
> battery out pretty smartish.

I had a looka at my battery in my RISC PC a month ago.
It was crusted in white,  with green corrosion on the motherboard!
I took the motherboard out and unsoldered the battery.

I cleaned up the motherboard with iso-propyl alcohol, and soldered in a
Maplins 2/3 AA tagged NiMH battery (Number VN25 costing about £3)

When I turned the computer on, it said it was midnight on January 1st
1900! I reset the date and time, and turned the computer off, and on
again. To my great relief, it had remembered everything.

Alan Griffin

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#5231

On Apr 30, 1:03 pm, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-use...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), cdec
>
> <chrisdecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > back .... so why is the backplane shown at the opposite side - the
> > front?
>
> Um, try looking at it the other way up?
>
> > Maybe a simple thing like a possible flat battery is going to be the
> > thing that makes me swicth over completely to the dark side ....
>
> :o(((
>
> You know, all computers with clocks and settings memory inside will
> have a battery someplace, and you might find the average PC to be
> just as complicated inside. And if you've never looked in a modern
> one, the processor heatsink will be a scary-WTF moment.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Rick.

Did you read this bit?
"audio, monitor, keyboard, mouse at back .... so why is the backplane
shown at the opposite side - the front? "

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#5237

In message <42b40930-3f42-42c8-9d3a-93ae98fa8480@p6g2000yqi.googlegrou 
ps.com>
          cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Apr 30, 1:03 pm, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-use...@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), cdec
>>
>> <chrisdecord...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> back .... so why is the backplane shown at the opposite side - the
>>> front?
>>
>> Um, try looking at it the other way up?
>>
>>> Maybe a simple thing like a possible flat battery is going to be the
>>> thing that makes me swicth over completely to the dark side ....
>>
>> :o(((
>>
>> You know, all computers with clocks and settings memory inside will
>> have a battery someplace, and you might find the average PC to be
>> just as complicated inside. And if you've never looked in a modern
>> one, the processor heatsink will be a scary-WTF moment.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Rick.

> Did you read this bit?
> "audio, monitor, keyboard, mouse at back .... so why is the backplane
> shown at the opposite side - the front? "

Cos the back plane connector is towards the front!


-- 
Chris Hughes
Come to the Wakefield Show - 28th April 2012
http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk

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#5253

On 30/04/2012 14:44, cdec wrote:

> Did you read this bit?
> "audio, monitor, keyboard, mouse at back .... so why is the backplane
> shown at the opposite side - the front? "

Your expansion ports are all on the back, yes? If you have a SCSI card, 
or scanner interface, or MIDI card, etc etc, all of these appear on the 
back of the computer.

With me so far?

Well, on the OTHER side of the expansion port is a circuit board that is 
something like 12-15cm in length.

Here's some really lame ASCII art:

                     Video Serial Etc  Expansion ports
   .-----------------####--####--####--============--------.
   | Back of computer                  |          | |      |
   |                                   |Expansion | | P  s |
   |                                   |card      | | o  u |
   |                                   |(aka      | | w  p |
   |                                   | "podule")| | e  p |
   |                                   |          | | r  l |
   |                                   |          | |    y |
   |                                   '--######--' |      |
   |            Backplane is here -->  ---######--- |      |
   |                                                '------|
   |                                                       |
   | Front of computer                                     |
   '-------------------------------------------------------'

Does this make more sense now?



Best wishes,

Rick.

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#5260

In article
<4f9ee782$0$12504$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Does this make more sense now?

Once I switched the dispaly to a monospaced font.
:-)

Seems to be a nomenclature problem.

It is not at all clear why something something much closer
to the front of the computer than the back should
nevertheless have the word 'back' in its name.

I had never thought about this before - but if asked, I
would have assumed that the backplane was the piece of metal
etc which Rick labelled 'Back of computer' - the bit I plug
keyboard/monitor/mouse/printers into.

I stand corrected!

-- 
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#5264

On 30 Apr, Russell Hafter News wrote in message
    <5288b64922see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>:

> Seems to be a nomenclature problem.
> 
> It is not at all clear why something something much closer to the front of
> the computer than the back should nevertheless have the word 'back' in its
> name.

It's the plane onto whoch the backs of the podule Eurocards plug.  It also
happens to be a standard term for a PCB doing what the RiscPC backplane
does, in any equipment rack.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#5263

In message <almarsoft.519487987837099675@news.orange.fr>
     Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:32:59 -0700 (PDT), cdec 
> <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > back .... so why is the backplane shown at the opposite side - the
> > front?
> 
> Um, try looking at it the other way up?
> 
> 
> > Maybe a simple thing like a possible flat battery is going to be the
> > thing that makes me swicth over completely to the dark side .... 
> :o(((
> 
> You know, all computers with clocks and settings memory inside will 
> have a battery someplace, and you might find the average PC to be 
> just as complicated inside. And if you've never looked in a modern 
> one, the processor heatsink will be a scary-WTF moment.

....and if you really want to freak, look inside an iMac. No don't. You'll
never get it back together again.

-- 
Fred

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#5225

On Apr 29, 4:48 pm, "John Williams (News)" <UCE...@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <52c66b1155decord...@ukgateway.net>,
>    Chris <decord...@ukgateway.net> wrote:
>
> > How easy is the battery to find?
>
> It's at right-angles to the board - why re-invent the wheel?
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.btinternet.com/~icen...
>
> may help
>
> Consider alternatives like:
>
>  http://www.bapfish.org.uk/
>
> that's my advice!
>
> Also, think about cleaning the area with spirit vinegar then distlled water
> (if you have a condensing tumble-drier, use that - also in the steam iron!).
>
> Good luck!
>
> John
>
> --
> John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
> Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
> Who is John Williams?http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

I can't see it on that photo, although when I look at the page, I can
- but it says 'solder'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where on earth do you get a battery like that, and does it really mean
SOLDER!!!!!!!!! ?

Will my PC place be able to do this for me?

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#5233

In article
<0361f57e-d2ec-4735-9885-b8268db3ae84@er9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
   cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can't see it on that photo, although when I look at the page, I can
> - but it says 'solder'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Where on earth do you get a battery like that,

I think APDL or CJE could find you something suitable

> and does it really mean SOLDER!!!!!!!!! ?

Surely you must know someone who can solder!

> Will my PC place be able to do this for me?

Depends. If it's PC world forget it, even independants just plug a few
things together, load an O.S. and just flog it to you.

Look for local amateur radio club, model engineering society.....

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#5254

On 30/04/2012 12:30, cdec wrote:

> Where on earth do you get a battery like that,

Specialist place. CJE?


> and does it really mean SOLDER!!!!!!!!! ?

It does indeed. These things are *attached* to the motherboard. It's a 
pain, for sure.


> Will my PC place be able to do this for me?

Depends. If your PC place is shiny gloss and salesmen wearing suit and 
ties, keep on walking, those people are unlikely to have ever held a 
soldering iron in their lives.

If your PC place is run by a scruffy bloke that talks in run-on 
sentences, has piles of circuit boards on the counter, and the place 
seems in total disarray (it isn't, a trained geek will know exactly 
what's going on), then you've found somebody competent.

Failing that... you're changing a *battery* in a computer. A TV repair 
guy ought to be more than capable.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#5262

In article
<4f9ee8a2$0$21460$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>, Rick
Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > Will my PC place be able to do this for me?

> Depends. If your PC place is shiny gloss and salesmen
> wearing suit and ties, keep on walking, those people are
> unlikely to have ever held a soldering iron in their
> lives.

Why not just say PC World...

> If your PC place is run by a scruffy bloke that talks in
> run-on sentences, has piles of circuit boards on the
> counter, and the place seems in total disarray (it isn't,
> a trained geek will know exactly what's going on), then
> you've found somebody competent.

There certainly used to be a firm like this in the back
streets of Whitehaven, but I have not looked (or needed to
look) for a few years. When I went in some years ago trying
to find a parallel cable they did give me a slightly funny
look, before saying 'no', but the last time I was in looking
for an ethernet cable they charged me far less than I
expected, so they must be OK in some areas.

I am not sure if my next-door neighbour, who does know his
Windows software stuff goes as far as weilding a soldering
iron - must ask.

(If you ever do need Windows support, Chris, let me know and
I can put you in touch with him...)

> Failing that... you're changing a *battery* in a
> computer. A TV repair guy ought to be more than capable.

We still have those around here too.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#5276

On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:35:02 +0100, Russell Hafter News 
<see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> Why not just say PC World...

Because, sadly, PC World isn't the only place that dresses the sales 
people like insurance pushers; putting emphasis on sales techniques 
instead of technical know-how. I was actually in a shop when the guy 
read off the amount of memory to tell a girl who was interested that 
that was the speed of the processor. Hehe, even *she* caught that 
one, but in a female way she tactfully rolled her eyes and said 
nothing. Didn't buy either.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#5280

In message <almarsoft.5915923748007830648@news.orange.fr>
     Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hehe, even *she* caught that 
> one, but in a female way she tactfully rolled her eyes and said 
> nothing. Didn't buy either.

I might try that technique next time I'm in PC World. That'll really get
them worried.

-- 
Fred

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#5325

On Apr 30, 8:31 pm, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-use...@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> > Will my PC place be able to do this for me?

> If your PC place is run by a scruffy bloke that talks in run-on
> sentences, has piles of circuit boards on the counter, and the place
> seems in total disarray (it isn't, a trained geek will know exactly
> what's going on), then you've found somebody competent.

My PC place, smartish but individually owned, did it for me and
emailed:

."..have fitted the battery and now get no picture on a standard PC
monitor. "

Hope this isn't a major problem .... I use one of those flat screen PC
things. I'll fetch it back tomorrow and see what happens.

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#5326

In article
<15efc8f0-e289-4dd9-a48d-80f761897414@y11g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
   cdec <chrisdecordova@gmail.com> wrote:

> ."..have fitted the battery and now get no picture on a standard PC
> monitor. "

> Hope this isn't a major problem .... I use one of those flat screen PC
> things. I'll fetch it back tomorrow and see what happens.

Of course, the CMOS has been powered down and has lost /all/ your settings!

If you saved them as advised, restoring them will be simple.

Otherwise it'll be a bit of command line stuff to get things back working
properly.

I'd start with configuring the hard disc to boot after doing a Ctrl/Delete
power on to restore factory defaults.

Even if you type it blind, F12 then configure boot [Return]. You may have
to do configure drive 4 first.

If restarting gets a display, status [Return] at the F12 prompt will give
you loads of other stuff to check.

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#5328

On  3-May-2012, "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> Of course, the CMOS has been powered down and has lost /all/ your
> settings!
>
> If you saved them as advised, restoring them will be simple.
>
> Otherwise it'll be a bit of command line stuff to get things back working
> properly.
>
> I'd start with configuring the hard disc to boot after doing a Ctrl/Delete
> power on to restore factory defaults.
>
> Even if you type it blind, F12 then configure boot [Return]. You may have
> to do configure drive 4 first.

No, this was only necessary with ro 3.1. From RO 3.5 and above a hard drive
is assumed so these are the defaults.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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