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  New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 08:07 -0700
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-09-11 18:36 +0100
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-11 19:53 +0200
        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 12:31 -0700
          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 23:19 +0100
            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-11 22:33 +0000
              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 11:08 +0100
          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Dave Stratford <daves@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 01:31 +0100
            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 09:56 +0100
              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 13:54 +0200
                Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 13:50 +0100
                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 14:39 +0100
                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 16:19 +0200
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome CMS <musicman56@web.de> - 2012-09-12 17:19 +0000
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 18:19 +0200
                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-13 10:58 -0700
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 19:29 +0100
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 22:12 +0000
                              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-14 00:40 +0200
                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-14 00:45 +0200
                              Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 11:22 +0100
                                Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-14 07:50 -0700
                                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 16:08 +0100
                                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 17:49 +0100
                                  Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 00:27 +0100
                                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 07:28 -0700
                                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-17 12:55 -0700
                                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 06:59 +0100
                                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 10:53 +0100
                                            Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-09-18 11:42 +0100
                                          Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 12:44 +0100
                                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-18 11:42 +0100
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 13:35 +0100
                    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:58 +0000
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-09-12 18:23 +0200
                      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:36 +0100
                        Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:49 +0100
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-11 19:34 -0700
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:44 +0100
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 06:52 -0700
    Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> - 2012-09-12 08:01 -0700
      Re: New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:59 +0000

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#6412 — New fonts for RISC OS, comments welcome

I've been working at converting open source typefaces to RISC OS format. I've just finished my first conversion (Pablo Impallari's Cabin) and I'm looking for comments/additional testing. This release (and all that will come in the future) can be found at https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/

Thanks,
Mike

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#6419

Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
> I've been working at converting open source typefaces to RISC OS format.
> I've just finished my first conversion (Pablo Impallari's Cabin) and I'm
> looking for comments/additional testing. This release (and all that will
> come in the future) can be found at
> https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/

I notice you have  Cabin.zip,ddc  on the site.
The corect filetype for ZIPs is now A91.

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#6420

In message <gemini.504f769a0004ee920da4%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>
          SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Michael J. Kerpan wrote:
>> I've been working at converting open source typefaces to RISC OS format.
>> I've just finished my first conversion (Pablo Impallari's Cabin) and I'm
>> looking for comments/additional testing. This release (and all that will
>> come in the future) can be found at
>> https://sites.google.com/site/riscosfonts/

> I notice you have  Cabin.zip,ddc  on the site.
> The corect filetype for ZIPs is now A91.

Actually, files to be downloaded using a browser should not have any 
numeric extension at all. Michael, you will make life easier for most 
users by simply naming the file Cabin.zip.

-- 
Martin
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        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6422

Thank you for the hints. I've renamed the file to Cabin.zip.

Please do let me know of any other problems you might find. I'd be especially interested in knowing how the fonts work on RISC OS 6 (if anyone has it), as I can only test with RISC OS 4.02 and RISC OS 5.

Mike

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#6424

Downloaded and installed them in Fonts. Seemed to go ok. Then went to load
Netsurf - doesn't, and complains the unicode font library can't be
initialised. Removed Cabin, and things back to normal. Re-installed it,
Netsurf doesn't load again. 4.39 soft load.

-- 
*One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6425

On 11 Sep 2012, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> Downloaded and installed them in Fonts. Seemed to go ok. Then went to
> load Netsurf - doesn't, and complains the unicode font library can't
> be initialised. Removed Cabin, and things back to normal. Re-installed
> it, Netsurf doesn't load again. 4.39 soft load.

No problem here with Cabin, NetSurf 2.9, RO 4.39, RPCEmu 0.8.9. NetSurf
scans the new font, which can then be used for display.

Cabin looks fine - many thanks to Michael.

Tony

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#6430

On 11 Sep 2012  Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 11 Sep 2012, "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

>> Downloaded and installed them in Fonts. Seemed to go ok. Then went to
>> load Netsurf - doesn't, and complains the unicode font library can't
>> be initialised. Removed Cabin, and things back to normal. Re-installed
>> it, Netsurf doesn't load again. 4.39 soft load.

> No problem here with Cabin, NetSurf 2.9, RO 4.39, RPCEmu 0.8.9. NetSurf
> scans the new font, which can then be used for display.

Again, no problem here. ARMini, RISC OS 5.19, (16 May 2012), Net Surf 
2.9.

> Cabin looks fine - many thanks to Michael.

And from me too.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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#6426

In article <f4af2322-ef84-49f8-bbb5-a28b38e36bfc@googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for the hints. I've renamed the file to Cabin.zip.

> Please do let me know of any other problems you might find. I'd be
> especially interested in knowing how the fonts work on RISC OS 6 (if
> anyone has it), as I can only test with RISC OS 4.02 and RISC OS 5.

> Mike

Seems to work okay, after a quick test only you understand, on RO6.20 and
4.42.

Dave

-- 
Dave Stratford - ZFCB
http://daves.orpheusweb.co.uk/

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#6428

In article <52cdc9b502daves@orpheusmail.co.uk>,
   Dave Stratford <daves@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <f4af2322-ef84-49f8-bbb5-a28b38e36bfc@googlegroups.com>,
>    Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thank you for the hints. I've renamed the file to Cabin.zip.

> > Please do let me know of any other problems you might find. I'd be
> > especially interested in knowing how the fonts work on RISC OS 6 (if
> > anyone has it), as I can only test with RISC OS 4.02 and RISC OS 5.

> > Mike

> Seems to work okay, after a quick test only you understand, on RO6.20 and
> 4.42.

I've just tried again this morning, with Cabin in Fonts. Netsurf reports
the same problem and won't load. Remove Cabin, and without a re-boot it
does. And I love Cabin - thanks Michael. ;-)

Perhaps I should try re-installing Netsurf with Cabin in place? I take it
the Unicode fonts library isn't any part of Fonts?

-- 
*INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6435

In message <52cdf80513dave@davenoise.co.uk>
          "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> I've just tried again this morning, with Cabin in Fonts. Netsurf reports
> the same problem and won't load. Remove Cabin, and without a re-boot it
> does. And I love Cabin - thanks Michael. ;-)

NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the 
available fonts to build a table of which font supports which 
characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any 
other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over 
any problems with the font.

> Perhaps I should try re-installing Netsurf with Cabin in place? I take it
> the Unicode fonts library isn't any part of Fonts?

No, it is part of NetSurf, and I doubt re-installing NetSurf with 
Cabin in place will make any difference at all. In fact, there are few 
cases in recorded history where re-installing a program has solved any 
problem on a RISC OS system, so I am surprised that people still 
suggest that every now and then as a general cure.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6436

In article <bd3d08ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <52cdf80513dave@davenoise.co.uk>
>           "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > I've just tried again this morning, with Cabin in Fonts. Netsurf
> > reports the same problem and won't load. Remove Cabin, and without a
> > re-boot it does. And I love Cabin - thanks Michael. ;-)

> NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
> available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
> characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any
> other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over any
> problems with the font.

Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?

> > Perhaps I should try re-installing Netsurf with Cabin in place? I take
> > it the Unicode fonts library isn't any part of Fonts?

> No, it is part of NetSurf, and I doubt re-installing NetSurf with 
> Cabin in place will make any difference at all. In fact, there are few 
> cases in recorded history where re-installing a program has solved any 
> problem on a RISC OS system, so I am surprised that people still 
> suggest that every now and then as a general cure.

Just clutching at straws. ;-)

-- 
*Fax is stronger than fiction *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6437

In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> > NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
> > available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
> > characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any
> > other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over any
> > problems with the font.

> Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?

Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'

-- 
*All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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#6443

In message <52ce11e363dave@davenoise.co.uk>
          "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
>    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>> NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
>>> available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
>>> characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any
>>> other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over any
>>> problems with the font.

>> Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?

> Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'

Well, if NetSurf starts up without Cabin installed and refuses to 
start up with Cabin installed, then that case is pretty clear, isn't 
it? That still does not prove that Cabin is really faulty, but it does 
prove that the startup problem is caused by Cabin.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6446

In article <ed8115ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
<URL:mailto:spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <52ce11e363dave@davenoise.co.uk>
>           "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
> >    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
> >>> available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
> >>> characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any
> >>> other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over any
> >>> problems with the font.
> 
> >> Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?
> 
> > Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'
> 
> Well, if NetSurf starts up without Cabin installed and refuses to 
> start up with Cabin installed, then that case is pretty clear, isn't 
> it? That still does not prove that Cabin is really faulty, but it does 
> prove that the startup problem is caused by Cabin.
> 


I have deleted the 'Encoding' Files in the Cabin Directory. After that
Netsurf is working

michael

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#6452

In message <ant1217030b0=WG%@x.yz.z>
          CMS <musicman56@web.de> wrote:

> In article <ed8115ce52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin Wuerthner
> <URL:mailto:spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
>> In message <52ce11e363dave@davenoise.co.uk>
>>           "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <52ce0d6329dave@davenoise.co.uk>,
>>>    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> NetSurf (or rather its Unicode font library "Rufl") scans all the
>>>>> available fonts to build a table of which font supports which
>>>>> characters. So, NetSurf takes a far closer look at your fonts than any
>>>>> other application and is therefore much more likely to stumble over any
>>>>> problems with the font.
>> 
>>>> Thanks. So is it necessarily with Cabin - or could it be another one?
>> 
>>> Sorry, should have read 'a problem with Cabin'
>> 
>> Well, if NetSurf starts up without Cabin installed and refuses to
>> start up with Cabin installed, then that case is pretty clear, isn't
>> it? That still does not prove that Cabin is really faulty, but it does
>> prove that the startup problem is caused by Cabin.

> I have deleted the 'Encoding' Files in the Cabin Directory. After that
> Netsurf is working

Not sure whether that is a good idea. That probably has consequences 
for PostScript printing and PDF generation.

The most likely problem with NetSurf is that this font has a private 
encoding file with 286 entries, i.e., more than 256. Not sure whether 
that is invalid, but it is certainly unusual. Traditionally, RISC OS 
fonts with more than 256 glyphs use a base encoding. NetSurf (or, more 
accurately, Rufl) probably only expects 256 entries in a private 
encoding file.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6485

On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:19:35 PM UTC-4, Martin Wuerthner wrote:

> 
> The most likely problem with NetSurf is that this font has a private 
> 
> encoding file with 286 entries, i.e., more than 256. Not sure whether 
> 
> that is invalid, but it is certainly unusual. Traditionally, RISC OS 
> 
> fonts with more than 256 glyphs use a base encoding. NetSurf (or, more 
> 
> accurately, Rufl) probably only expects 256 entries in a private 
> 
> encoding file.

IIRC, Netsurf is actually one of the programs that CAN not only handle but make use of large fonts. The tool I used for the conversions was created by NetSurf team and it lists conversion of large fonts with good Unicode coverage as one of its features. Given that the fonts have worked for some on NetSurf with OS 4.x (and have worked for everybody using 5.x who's reported back), I wonder if perhaps some of the problems people might be having might stem from missing/improperly installed Unicode support libraries.

Mike

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#6498

In article <5b84287b-3b50-4c9d-8acd-91a60648ed75@googlegroups.com>,
   Michael J. Kerpan <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:
> IIRC, Netsurf is actually one of the programs that CAN not only handle
> but make use of large fonts. The tool I used for the conversions was
> created by NetSurf team and it lists conversion of large fonts with good
> Unicode coverage as one of its features. Given that the fonts have
> worked for some on NetSurf with OS 4.x (and have worked for everybody
> using 5.x who's reported back), I wonder if perhaps some of the problems
> people might be having might stem from missing/improperly installed
> Unicode support libraries.

Well, I simply installed Netsurf using the install progs - boot merge and
system merge.

-- 
*No sentence fragments *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
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#6499

On 13 Sep 2012, "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> I wonder if perhaps some of the problems people might be having might
> stem from missing/improperly installed Unicode support libraries.

Could the presence/absence of a unicode font be relevant? I have
cyberbit installed on RO 4.39, and have no problem with your fonts.

Tony

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#6500

In message <4fb0c4ce52.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
          Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 13 Sep 2012, "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:

> [snip]

>> I wonder if perhaps some of the problems people might be having might
>> stem from missing/improperly installed Unicode support libraries.

> Could the presence/absence of a unicode font be relevant? I have
> cyberbit installed on RO 4.39, and have no problem with your fonts.

That is not surprising, but it is not exactly the presence of the 
Unicode font that fixes the problem. If you have a Unicode font, then 
you must have the RO5 Unicode FontManager installed on your machine, 
and that is what makes the difference. NetSurf is happy with the Cabin 
font on a RO5 system or any other system with the RO5 FontManager.

The !ttf2f documentation states that its output is meant to be used 
with the Unicode FontManager.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#6501

In message <5b84287b-3b50-4c9d-8acd-91a60648ed75@googlegroups.com>
          "Michael J. Kerpan" <madcrow.maxwell@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 12, 2012 12:19:35 PM UTC-4, Martin Wuerthner wrote:

>> The most likely problem with NetSurf is that this font has a private
>> encoding file with 286 entries, i.e., more than 256. Not sure whether
>> that is invalid, but it is certainly unusual. Traditionally, RISC OS
>> fonts with more than 256 glyphs use a base encoding. NetSurf (or, more
>> accurately, Rufl) probably only expects 256 entries in a private
>> encoding file.

> IIRC, Netsurf is actually one of the programs that CAN not only handle
> but make use of large fonts. The tool I used for the conversions was
> created by NetSurf team and it lists conversion of large fonts with
> good Unicode coverage as one of its features. Given that the fonts
> have worked for some on NetSurf with OS 4.x (and have worked for
> everybody using 5.x who's reported back), I wonder if perhaps some of
> the problems people might be having might stem from missing/improperly
> installed Unicode support libraries.

In a sense, yes, but what is behind all this is the Unicode 
FontManager, which is not part of RISC OS 4/6. The NetSurf team has 
done some excellent work to make sure that NetSurf works on RO4/6 
systems (ordinary FontManager by default) and on RO5 systems (Unicode 
FontManager). Some users have installed the RO5 FontManager on their 
RO4/6 system, which improves the behaviour of NetSurf, but that is not 
a prerequisite for running NetSurf. !ttf2f produces fonts that really 
should be used with the RO5 FontManager.

-- 
Martin
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        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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