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| Started by | Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-09-12 10:31 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-09-13 20:25 +0100 |
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Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 10:31 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-12 11:16 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:11 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-12 16:17 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:04 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 20:10 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-13 06:47 +0100
Re: Spam? label Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 09:29 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-13 10:39 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-13 11:30 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-13 18:48 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-13 20:40 +0100
Re: Spam? label spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-14 08:01 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 11:26 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 11:45 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 13:51 +0100
Re: Spam? label "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 15:04 +0200
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 15:00 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 21:01 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 14:14 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 15:01 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 15:36 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 13:55 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 14:44 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 15:11 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 15:45 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 15:53 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 16:23 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 16:59 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 17:15 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 17:55 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 18:11 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-14 21:39 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-14 21:51 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-14 22:54 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-15 11:53 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 21:42 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 22:05 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 22:08 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 22:15 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 22:24 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-16 08:44 +0100
Re: Spam? label - my response to GJ's 3 test mails Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 22:58 +0100
Re: Spam? label - my response to GJ's 3 test mails Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-16 11:05 +0100
Re: Spam? label - my response to GJ's 3 test mails Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-18 07:59 +0100
Re: Spam? label - my response to GJ's 3 test mails Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-18 12:09 +0100
Re: Spam? label druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-16 17:41 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 09:19 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-15 12:04 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 13:41 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 13:56 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 17:56 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-15 20:53 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 21:23 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 23:06 +0100
Re: Spam? label spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-16 08:44 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 18:39 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 13:49 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 19:02 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 20:05 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 20:26 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 20:49 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-14 19:12 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 16:23 +0100
Re: Spam? label Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 16:46 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-14 19:18 +0100
Re: Spam? label druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-09-14 19:38 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-16 16:43 +0100
Re: Spam? label Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-09-12 12:20 +0200
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:20 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:26 +0100
Re: Spam? label Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 18:03 +0100
Re: Spam? label Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-09-22 17:05 +0100
Re: Spam? label Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 11:32 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-12 12:31 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-13 06:23 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-13 08:40 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-13 22:53 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:15 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:07 +0100
Re: Spam? label charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 14:43 +0100
Re: Spam? label Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-09-12 15:33 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 17:42 +0100
Re: Spam? label spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-12 17:42 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-12 18:36 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 19:14 +0100
Re: Spam? label Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-09-12 20:13 +0100
Re: Spam? label Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> - 2012-09-12 20:54 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-12 21:07 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-13 06:49 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-12 21:52 +0100
Re: Spam? label Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> - 2012-09-13 06:27 +0100
Re: Spam? label "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-13 19:08 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-13 20:54 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-13 22:43 +0100
Re: Spam? label "Rob Hemmings (news2)" <robnews@rgvk.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 12:41 +0100
Re: Spam? label spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-09-14 08:05 +0100
Re: Spam? label Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-09-14 10:07 +0100
Re: Spam? label Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-09-13 20:25 +0100
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 20:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cf39523aSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6542 |
In article <52cf376886see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > As a matter of interest, are the username and password here > the same as used to log in to your orpheus e-mail, either by > POP3 or by webmail? Yes. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 20:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cf3b6388see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6543 |
In article <52cf39523aSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52cf376886see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, > Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> > wrote: > > As a matter of interest, are the username and password > > here the same as used to log in to your orpheus e-mail, > > either by POP3 or by webmail? > Yes. It still does not accept e-mail from Orpheus user using a different ADSL supplier, and the following line in the POPStar log suggests that SMTP Authentication still is not available... 14 Sep 20:43:26 160 login = 0, plain = 0, cram-md5 = 0 AIUI, this means that Orpheus SMTP server does not do any of the three different Authentication protocols. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 19:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1sK4s.90067$aH7.14436@fx10.am4> |
| In reply to | #6528 |
On 14/09/2012 16:23, Alan Wrigley wrote: > Graham has POPstar set, correctly, to send mail to gjenkins.me.uk which is > hosted by Purley. All correct so far. > POPstar tries to connect to the Purley server, again correctly, but the BT > router intercepts the request, takes the mail and passes it on to the Purley > server. Well given the router provides the connection to the internet, this has to happen with all internet-bound traffic from his local network. > The latter checks it for spam because it has not come direct from a > customer. It's flagged for SPAM because the senders IP address is flagged in a black list. The email gets added to the inbound mailqueue as per any other email received by the SMTP server. The fact it's come directly from Grahams PC makes no different to the score it eventually receives. > So I'm afraid it's still for Neil to explain why the mail has such a high > spam count. See message ID nre4s.89948$XW7.10893@fx08.am4 > > What I can't explain in the above scenario is how the router connects to the > Purley server. Routers act as NAT devices - they translate internal network IP addresses to your single internet-facing IP so all connections appear to come from the ISP-provided IP address, hence the blacklisting. > It's all very strange but the key to all this does appear to > lie with Purley Hosting. Hopefully I've explain this above. Regards Neil Director www.purleyhosting.com
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 16:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cf231388see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6526 |
In article <gemini.machdc00buw1p02tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>, Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote: > Hmm... I've just had another thought about this. Is it > possible there's an SMTP relay embedded in the BT router > which intercepts all traffic and then passes it on? This > would explain two things: (a) why Graham is apparently > able to send mail unauthenticated via Purley and (b) why > Purley is scanning it for spam. But if this is the case, > why FFS? What purpose can it serve if it just sends the > mail on to the server it was destined for in the first > place? I have always understood, perhaps quite incorrectly, that BT's Home Hub has SMTP hard-wired via its own servers. So quite possibly what you say is true. I took a personal decision some time ago to have absolutely no further direct dealings with BT (except as a [very minor] shareholder) and everything I read about their services vindicates that decision. But e-mail sent directly via Purley Hosting, using SMTP Authentication, is not, quite specifically, and as Neil says, scanned. See headers below for a test e-mail I just sent:- (I have changed the left hand side of the e-mail addresses to xyzcgas, but no other changes) Delivered-To: aliceadsl.fr-xyzcgas@aliceadsl.fr Received: (qmail 1579 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2012 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from mx23-g26.free.fr (HELO server1.spellings.net) (212.27.42.85) by mrelay10-g25.free.fr with SMTP; 14 Sep 2012 15:15:07 -0000 Received: from server1.spellings.net ([178.239.169.72]) by mx1-g20.free.fr (MXproxy) for xyzcgas@aliceadsl.fr; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:15:07 +0200 (CEST) X-ProXaD-SC: state=HAM score=0 Received: from 94-30-63-16.xdsl.murphx.net ([94.30.63.16]:1410 helo=RiscPC2) by server1.spellings.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from <xyzcgas@phone.coop>) id 1TCXbk-0006WN-80 for xyzcgas@aliceadsl.fr; Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:15:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Russell Hafter <xyzcgas@phone.coop> To: xyzcgas@aliceadsl.fr Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 16:15:02 +0100 Subject: test Message-ID: <52cf224e5axyzcgas@phone.coop> Return-Receipt-To: xyzcgas@phone.coop User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.06-ds.5 Content-Type: text/plain X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-ID: 1TCXbk-0006WN-80 X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-From: xyzcgas@phone.coop X-Spam-Status: No X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server1.spellings.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - aliceadsl.fr X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - phone.coop -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 16:46 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <gemini.macju000drbdp02tw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6529 |
Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote: > See headers below for a test e-mail I just sent:- Pretty similar to the headers I saw from Graham. Unfortunately I think I may have got it wrong about the BT SMTP relay. I assumed (without ever having checked) that the first Received: line would be populated by local data that would in its entirety identify the sending machine, and the data in Graham's headers didn't appear likely to have come from a RISC OS machine. But neither does yours (apart from the helo=RiscPC2 which clearly marks it as a RO computer but doesn't identify it) so I checked my own outgoing email and the data has also been supplied by my ISP and not my computer. So my conclusion is that Graham and his computer are doing everything correctly. Alan -- RISC OS - you know it makes cents
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| From | Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 19:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <MxK4s.103693$jE4.47373@fx01.am4> |
| In reply to | #6529 |
On 14/09/2012 16:23, Russell Hafter News wrote: > But e-mail sent directly via Purley Hosting, using SMTP > Authentication, is not, quite specifically, and as Neil > says, scanned. It's not scanned *outbound* - that is important. When the email arrives (instantaneously, as it's a local delivery) to the delivery queue, it then DOES get scanned before processing (which could involve delivery to a local mailbox, or forwarding to an ISP mailbox) This means that it makes little difference whether you are using our SMTP server or BT Internets as the originating IP will still be BT Internet. Regards Neil
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| From | druck <news@druck.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-14 19:38 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <k2vtij$n30$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #6526 |
On 14/09/2012 15:53, Alan Wrigley wrote: > Hmm... I've just had another thought about this. Is it possible there's an > SMTP relay embedded in the BT router which intercepts all traffic and then > passes it on? It probably isn't the router, an ISP can intercept all attempts to connect to the SMTP port of any server, and redirect them to its own. The awful Freeserve used to do this back in the dial-up days, and is a good reason to look elsewhere. I recommend PlusNet for hassle free emailing using any from address. ---druck
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-16 16:43 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.mag90i005lj0b00nw@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6522 |
Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> wrote: >Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > >> The BT Home Hub 3 is supplied with a cd for setting it up. This >> program knows my first name, my second name and my >> grahamnpj@btinternet.com address which was supplied when I signed up >> fo Bt Total Broadband. I have just searched the CD for the address but >> it wasn't found. Presumably it is encoded somehow. The only chance to >> change any of those 3 items is on the page that quotes them. It offers >> a button to press if the info is not correct. Pressing this just tells >> you to contact a freephone number. The lady that I spoke to yesterday >> either didn't understand my request to change the address to my >> gjenkins one or she was correct in saying it couldn't be changed. I >> would like a second opinion on that. > >The grahamnpj@btinternet.com is your email address, not a server address. Or a username which just happens to look like an email address. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 12:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <52cdffa2eePaul@sprie.nl> |
| In reply to | #6429 |
In article <52cdfb395agraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > Could it be the number of addressees, or the PDF attachment? I don't think that it has anything to do with the number of addresses. I regularly do something similar with a much larger number, without any problem. That is, without any problem that I know of. But admittedly, I do have another provider. However, the attachment might cause the problem indeed. Have you tried to provide a download link, rather than send the actual file? As far as I am concerned, it's a much better way anyhow, not the least in terms of huge and cluttered inboxes. Pluto, for one, can get corrupted when archiving lots of mails with large attachments. I think it's worth trying, even if it doesn't solve the problem of spam labelled mails. Kind regards, Paul Sprangers
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| From | Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 15:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ce15ac51graham@gjenkins.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #6432 |
In article <52cdffa2eePaul@sprie.nl>, Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote: > In article <52cdfb395agraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins > <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > > Could it be the number of addressees, or the PDF attachment? > I don't think that it has anything to do with the number of > addresses. I regularly do something similar with a much larger > number, without any problem. That is, without any problem that I > know of. But admittedly, I do have another provider. > However, the attachment might cause the problem indeed. Have you > tried to provide a download link, rather than send the actual file? > As far as I am concerned, it's a much better way anyhow, not the > least in terms of huge and cluttered inboxes. Pluto, for one, can > get corrupted when archiving lots of mails with large attachments. > I think it's worth trying, even if it doesn't solve the problem of > spam labelled mails. > Kind regards, Paul Sprangers I'm afraid that I know nothing about how to set up a web page to hold the attachment so that wouldn't help me. I use a pdf because I use RiscOS whereas all the recipients are Microsoft users so pdf is a common type that all of us can read. Thanks for your interest. -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 17:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.ma8wc7008wfz502q0@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6442 |
Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > I'm afraid that I know nothing about how to set up a web page to hold the > attachment so that wouldn't help me. You don't need to define a web page at all, that is there's no need for any HTML. You would however need to use FTP (File Transfer Protocol) which means in turn you'd need to install the !FTPc application. Then you'd point FTPc at your web space - which I think you possibly do possess; http://www.gjenkins.me.uk/ has a 'placeholder' webpage belonging to Purley at it, but it /is recognised/ by a browser. Since you own the gjenkins.me.uk domain I would be very surprised if it doesn't come with a certain amount of webspace into which you can upload and store any file. Then you'd tell FTPc your webspace username & password (which Purley will be able to set up for you); then dragging the file concerned from your RO filer display to the FTPc window would cause FTPc to upload the file to your webspace. If, say, the file had been called "myfile" it would then for example appear at http://gjenkins.me.uk/myfile There's a way (which I can't quite remember) to write a RO filename - myfile\pdf or myfile/pdf or something which would cause it to arrive at the web space named myfile.pdf (or once it was uploaded just as myfile, you coud rename it via FTPc) so that the final URL was something like http://gjenkins.me.uk/myfile.pdf - which it needs to be so that other people downloading the file do see it as a PDF one. Apart from installing and making FTPc work once, it's really very easy. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 18:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <c49a24ce52.Kevin@talktalk.net> |
| In reply to | #6454 |
In message <mpro.ma8wc7008wfz502q0@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>
Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>There's a way (which I can't quite remember) to write a RO filename -
>myfile\pdf or myfile/pdf or something which would cause it to arrive at the
>web space named myfile.pdf (or once it was uploaded just as myfile, you
>coud rename it via FTPc) so that the final URL was something like
>http://gjenkins.me.uk/myfile.pdf - which it needs to be so that other people
>downloading the file do see it as a PDF one.
>
It would be myfile/pdf
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-22 17:05 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52d34599f0tim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6465 |
In article <c49a24ce52.Kevin@talktalk.net>, Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote: > In message <mpro.ma8wc7008wfz502q0@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> Jeremy > Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> > wrote: > >There's a way (which I can't quite remember) to write a RO filename - > >myfile\pdf or myfile/pdf or something which would cause it to arrive > >at the web space named myfile.pdf (or once it was uploaded just as > >myfile, you coud rename it via FTPc) so that the final URL was > >something like http://gjenkins.me.uk/myfile.pdf - which it needs to be > >so that other people downloading the file do see it as a PDF one. > > > It would be myfile/pdf And you could upload a (text or HTML) file called index/htm (index.htm) alongside it which contains only one line. (You can dress the file up with lots more <...> stuff but this isn't usually vital.) Providing a link on a web page to a local file = not hard and not to be shied away from as 'scary'!!! Note: some ISPs insist that all files kept in their web space is linked locally for the outside world to get at. I think this is an attempt to stop people using free web spaces as personal/private 'cloud' storage. If you want that, and have something other than RISC OS, you should be using Dropbox which allows you to share specific files (or whole directories) with a simple link. These days, you should probably also be setting up a Facebook page and sharing your content there too. And on Twitter and .... the choices are endless. Almost. Example 'simple links' page here: http://tjrh.eu/p Enjoy the photos. Please adapt the HTML or the letter for your nuisance callers. :-) -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ Batman, I never thought of that. You're right." Batman: "It's the very essence of our democracy."
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 11:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ce00bf9cSpambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6429 |
In article <52cdfb395agraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > Can anybody understand what I have explained above and possibly > suggest a way round it? Could it be the number of addressees, or the > PDF attachment? TIA for any replies. Every month I send an email out to 24 people using !Pluto's distribution list facility* and have never had any problems. Occasionally there might be an attachment but this is not common. My ISP is Orpheus. *This is much easier than your method as, once the list has been set up, I only have to type the list name in the "To" field and it goes to all the (BCC'd) addressees. -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 12:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ce063211see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6433 |
In article <52ce00bf9cSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52cdfb395agraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham
> Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote:
> > Can anybody understand what I have explained above and
> > possibly suggest a way round it? Could it be the number
> > of addressees, or the PDF attachment? TIA for any
> > replies.
> Every month I send an email out to 24 people using
> !Pluto's distribution list facility* and have never had
> any problems. Occasionally there might be an attachment
> but this is not common.
> My ISP is Orpheus.
In my experience (I use both) Orpheus is somewhat less
intolerant of spam than Purley Hosting.
Only very, very rarely do I see e-mails sent via Orpheus
tagged {Spam?], while those that come via Purley Hosting
quite often are.
This is a pretty fair comparison, because I get a lot of
spam from one particular spammer sent to both an Orpheus
hosted address and to a Purley Hosting address.
I know that Graham's question is about outgoing e-mails
getting tagged as {Spam?], but I asume that Purley Hosting
use the same algorithm on both incoming and outgoing
e-mails.
* Yes, recommended.
--
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> |
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| Date | 2012-09-13 06:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <G5e4s.61858$pt3.60886@fx25.am4> |
| In reply to | #6434 |
On 12/09/2012 12:31, Russell Hafter News wrote:
> In my experience (I use both) Orpheus is somewhat less
> intolerant of spam than Purley Hosting.
It's worth nothing that the SPAM thresholds can be adjusted if you need
to fine tune them. There are three classifications:
High (gets deleted) 20 and above
Low (gets delivered but flagged with Spam?) : 5-20
Clean (get delivered with no flag) : 5 or below
As others have stated on this thread, you can examine the email headers
to see what score an email has been given.
> I know that Graham's question is about outgoing e-mails
> getting tagged as {Spam?], but I asume that Purley Hosting
> use the same algorithm on both incoming and outgoing
> e-mails.
No, we don't scan outgoing email sent via our SMTP servers. As they are
only available to our customers (via authentication) we trust them not
to abuse 'em.
Cheers
Neil
Director
www.purleyhosting.com
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-13 08:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ce74d4d5see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6474 |
In article <G5e4s.61858$pt3.60886@fx25.am4>, Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> wrote: > On 12/09/2012 12:31, Russell Hafter News wrote: > > In my experience (I use both) Orpheus is somewhat less > > intolerant of spam than Purley Hosting. > It's worth nothing that the SPAM thresholds can be > adjusted if you need to fine tune them. There are three > classifications: > High (gets deleted) 20 and above > Low (gets delivered but flagged with Spam?) : 5-20 > Clean (get delivered with no flag) : 5 or below Quite. And I have myself steadily tweeked these settings on my accounts with you, based on what has come through. In particular, I have reduced the upper limit of 20 significantly, in stages, over the years. Orpheus, however, do not offer a control panel system in the way that Purley Hosting and many other hosting firms do. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-09-13 22:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52cec2e897see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6474 |
In article <G5e4s.61858$pt3.60886@fx25.am4>, Neil Spellings <neil@spellings.net> wrote: > On 12/09/2012 12:31, Russell Hafter News wrote: > > In my experience (I use both) Orpheus is somewhat less > > intolerant of spam than Purley Hosting. > It's worth nothing that the SPAM thresholds can be > adjusted if you need to fine tune them. There are three > classifications: I got more or less the same spam mail sent to me today to both Orpheus and Purley Hosting addresses. The body of the e-mail is the same, the subject line is different, and the To: addresses are obviously different. Unusually for this spammer, the sending e-mail address, the supposed SMTP server and its IP address are all the same. The difference in the spam scoring is instructive: X-orpheus-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-14.206, required 5, BAYES_00 -15.00, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RDNS_NONE 0.79) but X-PurleyHosting-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=5.985, required 4, BAYES_50 0.80, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 1.59, DCC_CHECK 1.10, HTML_MESSAGE 0.00, RDNS_NONE 0.79, SPF_PASS -0.00, URIBL_DBL_SPAM 1.70) There is a huge difference between the Orpheus spam score of -14.206 and the Purley Hosting score of 5.985 -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 15:15 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52ce1536d2graham@gjenkins.me.uk> |
| In reply to | #6433 |
In article <52ce00bf9cSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > In article <52cdfb395agraham@gjenkins.me.uk>, Graham Jenkins > <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > > Can anybody understand what I have explained above and possibly > > suggest a way round it? Could it be the number of addressees, or > > the PDF attachment? TIA for any replies. > Every month I send an email out to 24 people using !Pluto's > distribution list facility* and have never had any problems. > Occasionally there might be an attachment but this is not common. > My ISP is Orpheus. > *This is much easier than your method as, once the list has been > set up, I only have to type the list name in the "To" field and it > goes to all the (BCC'd) addressees. In my case the actual addressees vary each time depending on whether they have been selected for the team, so making a mailing list of them wouldn't help much. Anyway having sent my mail just to myself it still got labelled Spam? thus suggesting that the number of addressees was not responsible. Thanks for your interest. -- Graham N P Jenkins graham@gjenkins.me.uk
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-09-12 17:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.ma8vfq0087e0g02q0@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6441 |
Graham Jenkins <graham@gjenkins.me.uk> wrote: > Anyway having sent my mail just to myself it still got labelled Spam? thus > suggesting that the number of addressees was not responsible. If you look at the headers of the mail you should be able to see some indications why the mail was classed as spam. Cut & paste those into a reply here and we may be able to explain what the problem is. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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