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| Started by | "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> |
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| First post | 2012-08-14 10:35 +0100 |
| Last post | 2012-08-15 09:32 +0100 |
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Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 10:35 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-14 11:39 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-14 15:06 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-15 07:33 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 08:01 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-15 09:59 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 18:43 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:02 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:14 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 21:09 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-16 17:14 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 13:37 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 14:00 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 15:21 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 15:37 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-18 13:28 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 17:33 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 21:12 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 12:02 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 20:58 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-08-20 10:22 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-20 22:16 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 20:49 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 22:47 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 23:01 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-15 23:44 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-15 23:58 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-16 07:29 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-08-16 10:35 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-16 11:49 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2012-08-16 09:21 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-15 10:53 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 18:36 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-16 22:54 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 07:56 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 11:14 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-17 13:18 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-17 14:03 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 19:04 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 09:39 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 15:57 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 21:53 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 22:35 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 23:29 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Chris Shepheard <chris.shepheard@chrispics.co.uk> - 2012-08-20 21:01 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:41 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-19 10:11 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 14:40 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:57 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 10:23 +0100
Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 16:00 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-18 17:13 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 09:20 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 11:57 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 13:55 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 21:04 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-20 09:06 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-21 20:39 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2012-08-21 22:48 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 06:36 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-22 22:43 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 06:22 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 07:57 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 08:25 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 10:13 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-23 14:11 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2012-08-23 20:55 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-24 07:52 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-24 09:24 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-25 10:24 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-25 11:12 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-25 19:54 +0100
Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 07:57 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 10:32 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 15:48 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 08:07 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto workstuff@mail.com - 2012-09-19 22:28 +0200
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:49 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 14:37 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:59 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-23 22:09 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 08:57 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-22 17:28 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 20:27 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-23 08:30 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2012-08-23 11:15 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-08-23 12:38 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto NedA <news@ned.uk.invalid> - 2012-08-23 15:35 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-23 15:20 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 10:05 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 10:09 +0000
Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 11:54 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:09 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:23 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Grahame Parish <maillist.parish@millers-way.net> - 2012-08-22 12:51 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 15:33 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-25 16:39 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:32 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 11:54 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-27 12:07 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 13:40 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-02 12:49 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-08-25 14:44 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 13:52 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 17:51 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-22 19:40 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 20:47 +0200
Re: Android email and Pluto John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-08-26 22:44 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 00:01 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 08:14 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:14 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 13:12 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-08-27 10:22 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-08-27 13:13 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 16:11 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-08-27 16:06 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-02 16:21 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 12:45 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-22 22:32 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2012-08-22 23:05 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 10:42 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-08-23 10:15 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-08-23 12:20 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-08-19 20:08 +0100
Re: Android email and Pluto Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-08-15 09:32 +0100
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| From | M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-20 10:22 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c2222102riscos@mdharding.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6175 |
In article <a784d8c152.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> wrote: > In message <52bfca2893riscos@mdharding.org.uk> > M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote: > > But is that only applicable to Windows emailers, not VRPC? I ask > > this because last week I received a suspicious email from an > > acquaintance inviting me to click on a URL - which I didn't - and > > he confirmed he hadn't sent it. > That wouldn't be a virus, just a link to a website loaded with > exploits to install a virus, so AVG couldn't flag it up unless it > actually looked at the site or had it on a blackist of sites. Thanks for the reassurance, everyone. So I can still continue with Pluto, and don't have to migrate to Windows, which would have been a pain. (Sorry, but the old ones are often the best!) Michael Harding Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding riscos@mdharding.org.uk
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| From | Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-20 22:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <b78163c252.jess@itworkshop.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6180 |
In message <52c2222102riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> Thanks for the reassurance, everyone. So I can still continue with
> Pluto, and don't have to migrate to Windows, which would have been a
> pain. (Sorry, but the old ones are often the best!)
I've never really used Pluto, but it would be hard pressed to get away
with being even nearly as bad as the best mainstream windows email
client with how fussy we are.
I suspect it's on a par with Messenger Pro (apart from the bits that
need updating)
--
Jess Iyonix
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 20:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m8tb2m00p9yh001oo@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6102 |
M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> So I'm still using Pluto on a VRPC. Can someone please confirm or deny my
> suspicion that although I have AVG/free virus screening in place on this
> WindowsXP computer, that's likely to let through viruses and other nasties
> in emails arriving via Pluto (and that this would also apply to MPro)?
> Advice please.
I think you'd need to try it and see... As I understand it, VRPC internet
access works by asking the underlying windows internet access routines
('socket services') to do the work for them.
A/v software's email interception works, I think, by running a process on
Windows to which all commands (that you think you're sending to an ISP's
mail server) are sent, and it sends them out to the ISP's mail server in
turn. Responses to the commands, and the incoming data, are collected by
this process, which then feeds them back to the original caller, whether
that's a Windows email client or a VRPC one. This special mechanism needs
to be turned on, which is why the a/v software will have a config option for
it.
If it works like that I'd expect incoming mail (and perhaps outgoing mail
too) to be scanned by AVG no matter what client you're using, on Windows or
RO under VRPC.
--
Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own.
Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply
to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 22:47 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <eb31d3bf52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6102 |
In message <52bfc405b8riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <2bc6bcbf52.chris@o2.co.uk>,
> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <52bf8cd395bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
>> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>> In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>,
>>> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <52bf7f71c5bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
>>>> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> After using Pluto for years I tried MessengerPro. For me, it
>>>>> was a step back in time to the Newsbase/TTFN days. Nothing like
>>>>> Pluto's flexibility.
>>>> Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had
>>>> added an email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real
>>>> email client.
>>> Are you suggesting Pluto isn't?
>> Read what I said, not your imaged version.
> The slanging matches concerning the merits/demerits of Pluto and MPro
> are becoming tiresome. It's surely only been a couple of months since
> the last spat.
Its not a slanging match as far as I am concerned.
> Let's face it, I for one have Pluto arranged as I want it and all my
> email archives are in its innards. If I wanted to leave them there as
> archives and start afresh I'd switch over my VRPC to Windows and
> Thunderbird - in fact I already have one Thunderbird account on
> another computer to reroute emails to if they're beyond RISC OS
> capabilities.
Makes good sense
> So I'm still using Pluto on a VRPC. Can someone please confirm or
> deny my suspicion that although I have AVG/free virus screening in
> place on this WindowsXP computer, that's likely to let through
> viruses and other nasties in emails arriving via Pluto (and that this
> would also apply to MPro)? Advice please.
Interesting and good question.
AVG would not know anything about Pluto or any other RISC OS email
client for that matter. But since the VRPC files are really just
Windows files at end of the day they would get scanned by AVG, when
you did your regular or ad-hoc scan of the computer.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 23:01 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m8th6a00tzg9s01oo@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6108 |
Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > AVG would not know anything about Pluto or any other RISC OS email client > for that matter. But POP3 trafic to & from the ISP's server is POP3 traffic, no matter which OS originates it. > But since the VRPC files are really just Windows files at end of the day > they would get scanned by AVG, when you did your regular or ad-hoc scan of > the computer. Not much use if the data's stored compressed or squashed or whatever - as a Windows-based a/v app won't know how to reconstitute it. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 23:44 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52bfd8672dcvjazz@waitrose.com> |
| In reply to | #6109 |
In article <mpro.m8th6a00tzg9s01oo@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: > Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > > AVG would not know anything about Pluto or any other RISC OS email client > > for that matter. > But POP3 trafic to & from the ISP's server is POP3 traffic, no matter which > OS originates it. > > But since the VRPC files are really just Windows files at end of the day > > they would get scanned by AVG, when you did your regular or ad-hoc scan of > > the computer. When I had some problems with Virtual Acorn someone suggested AVG could somtimes interfere with it so I moved over to Microsoft Security Essentials. That stopped the VA problems. I've had a quick look at 'Settings' & found no mention of email traffic. Anyone know if MSE monitors POP3 traffic? Regards, -- Chris Newman
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| From | Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 23:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <74add9bf52.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6102 |
In message <52bfc405b8riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
[snip]
> So I'm still using Pluto on a VRPC. Can someone please confirm or
> deny my suspicion that although I have AVG/free virus screening in
> place on this WindowsXP computer, that's likely to let through
> viruses and other nasties in emails arriving via Pluto (and that this
> would also apply to MPro)? Advice please.
I think a look at your email headers might reveal the answer. I use
Avast here rather than AVG and emails fetched by Netfetch all (whether
stored in Messenger or Pluto) contain the following in the headers:
X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 120815-3, 15/08/2012), Inbound message
X-Antivirus-Status: Clean
Furthermore on rare occasions when Avast has identified emails being
loaded via Netfetch as having dangerous attachments it has sounded an
audio warning and a warning message has appeared on top of the VA
screen inviting me to deal with the suspect mail.
I doubt if the message apparently from a friend which you mention in
another post would be flagged if it wasn't actually carrying a virus
so as always vigilance is needed.
--
Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA
RISC OS 6.20
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| From | spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 07:29 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c002fdf4spam.pling@btinternet.com> |
| In reply to | #6102 |
In article <52bfc405b8riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote: > Can someone please confirm or > deny my suspicion that although I have AVG/free virus screening in > place on this WindowsXP computer, that's likely to let through > viruses and other nasties in emails arriving via Pluto (and that this > would also apply to MPro)? Advice please. The attachments are just rubbish data as far as the RISC OS side is concerned, however if you transferred the rubbish data to the windows side and then ran it from there, that's when the problems occur. All the wifes mail comes into the RPC that does the mail fetch. She then looks at any attachment with a view on whether to transfer elsewhere. Anything she is unsure of is where she consults the nearest IT savvie person (when I get home) -- Steve Pampling
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| From | Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 10:35 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c013fb34richtnews@uwclub.net> |
| In reply to | #6102 |
In article <52bfc405b8riscos@mdharding.org.uk>, M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote: > The slanging matches concerning the merits/demerits of Pluto and MPro > are becoming tiresome. It's surely only been a couple of months since > the last spat. It is indeed tiresome. > Let's face it, I for one have Pluto arranged as I want it and all my > email archives are in its innards. If I wanted to leave them there as > archives and start afresh I'd switch over my VRPC to Windows and > Thunderbird - in fact I already have one Thunderbird account on > another computer to reroute emails to if they're beyond RISC OS > capabilities. Absolutely! I, too, am used to Pluto and have it set up as required. Any problem emails are easily passed over to Thunderbird on the PC side. Having to learn and get used to another email program, however marvellous it might claim to be, is not a trivial matter. It would be a complete pain and is unnecessary. > So I'm still using Pluto on a VRPC. Can someone please confirm or > deny my suspicion that although I have AVG/free virus screening in > place on this WindowsXP computer, that's likely to let through > viruses and other nasties in emails arriving via Pluto (and that this > would also apply to MPro)? Advice please. I am currently getting a series of emails with the traditional 'click on the attachment to see ...', type of lure. Some contain a virus in the (html) attachment, others, by the looks of it, redirect to a web site where, no doubt, something unpleast awaits. Delving into the attachments using !Edit (no doubt someone will now tell me I should be using !Zap or one of the other 'superedits') I am pleased to see that AVG is identifying and dealing with those attachments that actually carry viruses. So, in short, it is at least stopping viruses getting in. R. -- Richard Travers richtnews@uwclub.net
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| From | Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 11:49 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c01abecesee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6118 |
In article <52c013fb34richtnews@uwclub.net>, Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> wrote: > > Let's face it, I for one have Pluto arranged as I want > > it and all my email archives are in its innards. If I > > wanted to leave them there as archives and start afresh > > I'd switch over my VRPC to Windows and Thunderbird - in > > fact I already have one Thunderbird account on another > > computer to reroute emails to if they're beyond RISC OS > > capabilities. > Absolutely! I, too, am used to Pluto and have it set up > as required. Any problem emails are easily passed over to > Thunderbird on the PC side. Having to learn and get used > to another email program, however marvellous it might > claim to be, is not a trivial matter. It would be a > complete pain and is unnecessary. Quite. The time taken to deal with PITA format e-mails in Pluto is insignificant with the time that would be required to learn to use a different e-mail program properly. Then there would be the time taken to transfer the address book and all the e-mails currently stored. I do use the windows version of Claws Mail on my Netbook, and while I find it less bad than Thunderbird, which I thought awful, I still dislike it because of its inflexibility, and find many of its aspects both rigid and incomprehensible. It cannot import Pluto's address book (does not understand CSV!) and I cannot find a way to get it to import raw e-mails from Pluto either. And the system for setting up filters is totally baffling. -- Russell http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk Russell Hafter Holidays E-mail to enquiries at our domain Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>
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| From | Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 09:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c00d345bbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6098 |
In article <2bc6bcbf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <52bf8cd395bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> > Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote: > > In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, > > Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > >> In message <52bf7f71c5bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> > >> Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote: > >>> After using Pluto for years I tried MessengerPro. For me, it was a > >>> step back in time to the Newsbase/TTFN days. Nothing like Pluto's > >>> flexibility. > >> Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had added an > >> email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real email client. > > Are you suggesting Pluto isn't? > Read what I said, not your imaged version. It is very fair to read your comment as Pluto is not a real email client. I imagined nothing. > >> Only one of the two is currently still developed, > > Really? Are you sure? I wouldn't be if I were you. > Yes. Unless you are telling us Pluo is having major updates done, now > and are actually being release. Recompiling for ARmv7 is not a major > update. Your language suggests you would like nothing better than to see its demise. > >> so these type of issues that Russell and others have are going to > >> increase. > > Could be. > >>> Used it, torn my hair out with it, gone back to Pluto. > >> Maybe because you were trying to force Messenger pro to be a "Pluto 2", > >> rather then keeping Pluto as your archive and setting up Messenger Pro > >> as intended. > > It can't organise things nicely, simple as that. > Because Pluto is a different beast, its designed as a text database > rather then as a email client. Funny, I've never heard of anyone buying it for anything other than a mail and news client. It does a better job so its not a real email client seems a strange argument to me. Must be the way you come to terms with its superiority. > Messenger Pro can organise things very nicely thank you. But not in > the same way. Yeah right. > >> But its your choice and you have to live with the problems. > > Indeed, but I've been spoilt by something better. > Is it really "better" if it has all these reported issues. Yes it is. I'm sorry I let Martin troll me into this, I'm out now. Bob.
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 10:53 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52bf91c00etim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6086 |
In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: [Snip] > Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had added an > email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real email client. [Snip] Pluto enables you to operate automated mailing lists, it manages distribution list subscriptions, and can perform Email forwarding. As well as all its textual database capabilities. MPro can handle fancy text emails. Meh. M Pro =/= Pluto. That MPro is currently being developed is a bonus perhaps, but if we can hope for 000s more RISC OS users (on lots of new Arm devices) there have been hints that Pluto could still rise again. -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "God send everyone their heart's desire !" Much Ado, Act iii, Sc.4
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-15 18:36 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <fb37bcbf52.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6090 |
In message <52bf91c00etim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>,
> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snip]
>> Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had added an
>> email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real email client.
> [Snip]
> Pluto enables you to operate automated mailing lists, it manages
> distribution list subscriptions, and can perform Email forwarding. As
> well as all its textual database capabilities.
> MPro can handle fancy text emails. Meh.
Messenger pro (RISC OS) does email forwarding, distribution lists, it
does not run mailing lists. But obviously you can filter mailing list
posts.
> M Pro =/= Pluto.
> That MPro is currently being developed is a bonus perhaps, but if we can
> hope for 000s more RISC OS users (on lots of new Arm devices) there have
> been hints that Pluto could still rise again.
So you think somehow we are going to get thousands of new RISC OS
users? It would need major improvements to the OS to bring it up to
date and the applications overall to stand any real chance. Where is
the money coming from?
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-16 22:54 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c057a533tim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6099 |
In article <fb37bcbf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > In message <52bf91c00etim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> > wrote: > > In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes > > <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > > [Snip] > >> Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had added an > >> email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real email client. > > [Snip] > > Pluto enables you to operate automated mailing lists, it manages > > distribution list subscriptions, and can perform Email forwarding. As > > well as all its textual database capabilities. > > MPro can handle fancy text emails. Meh. > Messenger pro (RISC OS) does email forwarding, distribution lists, So if I send SIGNON it will add me to a distribution list?! > it > does not run mailing lists. No. A Showstopper here. > But obviously you can filter mailing list > posts. I should hope so! > > M Pro =/= Pluto. > > That MPro is currently being developed is a bonus perhaps, but if we > > can hope for 000s more RISC OS users (on lots of new Arm devices) > > there have been hints that Pluto could still rise again. > So you think somehow we are going to get thousands of new RISC OS > users? Not really. The community isn't as friendly as it could be, and lacks a coherent portal. > It would need major improvements to the OS to bring it up to > date and the applications overall to stand any real chance. Where is > the money coming from? Good question and it does apply, though I think the subject was Pluto and not a perceived outdatedness of the entire RISC OS environment. -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "What is decreed must be" Twelfth N, Act i, Sc.5
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 07:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <804c89c052.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6126 |
In message <52c057a533tim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <fb37bcbf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
> <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <52bf91c00etim@invalid.org.uk> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> In article <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes
>>> <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [Snip]
>>>> Because Pluto is a text database (which happens to have had added an
>>>> email facility added), whereas Messenger Pro is a real email client.
>>> [Snip]
>>> Pluto enables you to operate automated mailing lists, it manages
>>> distribution list subscriptions, and can perform Email forwarding. As
>>> well as all its textual database capabilities.
>>> MPro can handle fancy text emails. Meh.
>> Messenger pro (RISC OS) does email forwarding, distribution lists,
> So if I send SIGNON it will add me to a distribution list?!
No, but it does have distribution lists. Distributions list does not
necessary mean automated Mailing list.
>> it
>> does not run mailing lists.
> No. A Showstopper here.
As a matter of interest why? There are plenty of free distribution
mailing list servers around like freelists, etc. so not really a show
stopper, even some hosting companies provide x number of automated
mailing lists within your hosting package.
>> But obviously you can filter mailing list
>> posts.
> I should hope so!
>>> M Pro =/= Pluto.
>>> That MPro is currently being developed is a bonus perhaps, but if we
>>> can hope for 000s more RISC OS users (on lots of new Arm devices)
>>> there have been hints that Pluto could still rise again.
>> So you think somehow we are going to get thousands of new RISC OS
>> users?
> Not really. The community isn't as friendly as it could be, and lacks a
> coherent portal.
It would be nice if we could get thousands more users, but sadly it
seems unlikely in reality. Without OS enhancements, including the
ability to be used on a Tablet - which is the way the market is
moving.....
Pluto's best bet would be, to made Shareware or similar. But that
would be up to to JD.
>> It would need major improvements to the OS to bring it up to
>> date and the applications overall to stand any real chance. Where is
>> the money coming from?
> Good question and it does apply, though I think the subject was Pluto and
> not a perceived outdatedness of the entire RISC OS environment.
They are connected, to get thousads more users you need a good reason
for them to move/swap to another OS. Sadly as the OS stands we would
need major changes to it to give it any chance. Nice though the idea
is.
--
Chris Hughes
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| From | Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 11:14 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c09b59b3bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6130 |
In article <804c89c052.chris@o2.co.uk>, Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: [ ... ] > It would be nice if we could get thousands more users, but > sadly it seems unlikely in reality. ..... Isn't that the objective of the current work by ROOL on getting RISC OS working on theRaspberry Pi? Ie, at least some school teachers will prefer that OS to Linux for producing a new wave of computer scientists. Brian. -- ______________________________________________________________ Brian Carroll, Ripon, North Yorkshire, UK ______________________________________________________________
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| From | Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 13:18 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <52c0a6c2d6Spambin@argonet.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6131 |
In article <52c09b59b3bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Carroll <bric-nospam@argonet.co.uk> wrote: > Isn't that the objective of the current work by ROOL on getting > RISC OS working on theRaspberry Pi? Ie, at least some school > teachers will prefer that OS to Linux for producing a new wave of > computer scientists. I was talking to an old collegue of mine on Tuesday, Paul Marshall, and he is interested in getting a Rasberry Pi and doing some RO programming again. Although he programs for Windows he isn't interested in Linux http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/ http://www.darkwood.demon.co.uk/RiscOS/AcornSet1.html -- Stuart Winsor Only plain text for emails http://www.asciiribbon.org
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| From | Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-17 14:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) |
| Message-ID | <mpro.m8whl5003o0gs011w@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid> |
| In reply to | #6130 |
Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > There are plenty of free distribution mailing list servers around like > freelists, etc. so not really a show stopper, even some hosting companies > provide x number of automated mailing lists within your hosting package. Plenty? Are there? I was looking at this a couple of days ago and found hardly any. Freelists is only suitable for technology-related subjects. -- Jeremy C B Nicoll - my opinions are my own. Email sent to my from-address will be deleted. Instead, please reply to newsreplyaaa@wingsandbeaks.org.uk replacing "aaa" by "284".
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| From | Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-18 19:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) |
| Message-ID | <52c14a4aadtim@invalid.org.uk> |
| In reply to | #6136 |
In article <mpro.m8whl5003o0gs011w@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>, Jeremy Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote: > Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote: > > There are plenty of free distribution mailing list servers around > > like freelists, etc. so not really a show stopper, even some hosting > > companies provide x number of automated mailing lists within your > > hosting package. > Plenty? Are there? I was looking at this a couple of days ago and > found hardly any. Freelists is only suitable for technology-related > subjects. I wasn't going to bite at the 'plenty' either - because it's so oft repeated as urban truth - but I looked recently too and baulked at Freelists' not-as-free-as-you-think-because-its-tech-only. Mostly because I don't leave Myonix up 24/7, I was looking for a list provider which could maybe have a web discussion group and include events and a calendar too. Unfortunately, the only free solution I found acceptable was Facebook: 'everybody' seems to use Facebook. Nobody uses only Google+. My G+ friends are active on FB but they have one massive disadvantage: some people simply won't do facebook because it can 'suck your life and time away'. And its a massive step away from an email distribution list. A culture shock some won't endure. They are fools but I cater for their foibles with an email 'newsletter'. Facebook does 'Groups' and 'New' Google groups is a possibility https://groups.google.com/forum/#!creategroup though javascript is mandatory at their webterface; as is their message scanning and targeted advertising. But these are email distribution lists which also have a web interface for discussions. From RISC OS, hosting seems to be the best option if you simply want the ability to send to a regular 'newsletter' to an email list. Pluto has the distinct advantage of allowing people to manage their own subscriptions to that list. T -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "He that filches from me my good name, robs me of that which not enriches him, but makes me poor indeed" Othello, Act iii, Sc.3
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| From | Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2012-08-19 09:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) |
| Message-ID | <9e609ac152.chris@o2.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #6155 |
In message <52c14a4aadtim@invalid.org.uk>
Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.m8whl5003o0gs011w@wingsandbeaks.org.uk.invalid>, Jeremy
> Nicoll - news posts <jn.nntp.scrap007@wingsandbeaks.org.uk> wrote:
>> Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> wrote:
>>> There are plenty of free distribution mailing list servers around
>>> like freelists, etc. so not really a show stopper, even some hosting
>>> companies provide x number of automated mailing lists within your
>>> hosting package.
>> Plenty? Are there? I was looking at this a couple of days ago and
>> found hardly any. Freelists is only suitable for technology-related
>> subjects.
> I wasn't going to bite at the 'plenty' either - because it's so oft
> repeated as urban truth - but I looked recently too and baulked at
> Freelists' not-as-free-as-you-think-because-its-tech-only.
I have to admit I was not aware freelists was "tech only".
> Mostly because I don't leave Myonix up 24/7, I was looking for a list
> provider which could maybe have a web discussion group and include events
> and a calendar too. Unfortunately, the only free solution I found
> acceptable was Facebook: 'everybody' seems to use Facebook. Nobody uses
> only Google+. My G+ friends are active on FB but they have one massive
> disadvantage: some people simply won't do facebook because it can 'suck
> your life and time away'. And its a massive step away from an email
> distribution list. A culture shock some won't endure. They are fools but
> I cater for their foibles with an email 'newsletter'.
I personally will not touch facebook with a barge pole. I had been
thinking of things like Google Groups, Yahoo groups, amongst others.
> From RISC OS, hosting seems to be the best option if you simply want the
> ability to send to a regular 'newsletter' to an email list. Pluto has the
> distinct advantage of allowing people to manage their own subscriptions
> to that list.
You can unsubscribe at anytime you want froma Google or Yahoo group
and can change various setting them seleves without intervention from
the list owner/moderator. I a feeling with are talking at cross
purposes here. ;-)
--
Chris Hughes
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