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What do people use RISCOS for these days

Started byPeter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com>
First post2012-04-21 09:27 -0700
Last post2012-04-23 12:37 +0100
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  What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com> - 2012-04-21 09:27 -0700
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days "Chris Bell (News)" <news@highpath.net> - 2012-04-21 17:49 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 18:24 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 18:25 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 20:34 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 21:08 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 22:36 +0200
            Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 22:10 +0100
              Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-22 16:41 +0100
                Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-22 18:19 +0100
                  Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-24 14:43 +0100
                    Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-24 17:54 +0100
                      Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-24 19:40 +0200
                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-24 19:47 +0100
                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-24 23:32 +0100
                          Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-25 11:18 +0100
                      Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-04-24 22:30 +0100
                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-24 23:46 +0100
                          Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 06:37 +0200
                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 12:26 +0200
                          Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-25 12:53 +0100
                            Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 15:20 +0200
                              Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 18:43 +0200
                                Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-04-25 22:08 +0100
                                  Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-26 12:56 +0100
                                    Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-26 14:42 +0200
                                    Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-26 14:50 +0200
                                      Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-26 22:24 +0100
                                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-27 01:17 +0200
                                          Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-27 03:03 +0200
                                            Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-27 10:11 +0100
                                              Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-27 11:32 +0200
                                                Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-27 12:06 +0100
                                                Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-27 15:34 +0100
                        Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Ashbery <basura@invalid.addr.uk> - 2012-04-25 13:36 +0100
                          Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-25 14:54 +0100
                Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-25 18:07 +0100
                  Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-25 18:10 +0100
                  Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-04-26 14:19 +0100
                    Re: Pic_Index. Was: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-04-26 19:52 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 22:36 +0200
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 10:35 -0700
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> - 2012-04-23 10:15 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris <decordova@ukgateway.net> - 2012-09-13 00:10 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-09-13 22:02 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-09-14 08:09 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days JV <groups@wellowvillage.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 10:17 +0100
            Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days "Bill (Adopt)" <adopt@billsimpson.com> - 2012-09-14 14:28 +0100
              Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-09-14 23:53 +0100
            Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2012-09-14 16:41 +0200
              Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 09:22 +0100
                Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-09-15 09:47 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Mark Wiggin <mark.wiggin@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-09-23 10:57 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Chris Hughes <news@noonehere.co.uk> - 2012-09-23 11:14 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-21 22:44 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-04-22 09:10 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 22:18 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 00:50 +0200
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 06:13 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-04-22 13:02 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 16:50 +0000
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 18:54 +0100
            Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 22:00 +0000
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> - 2012-04-22 10:05 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net> - 2012-04-22 21:17 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-04-22 14:03 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Richard Porter <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid> - 2012-04-22 22:03 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-04-23 11:32 +0100
      Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-04-24 13:33 +0100
        Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 12:28 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-04-25 12:46 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 13:05 +0100
          Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-04-25 15:05 +0100
            Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 15:49 +0100
              Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-04-25 16:34 +0100
                Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 17:08 +0100
                  Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 18:48 +0100
                    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-04-25 19:02 +0100
    Re: What do people use RISCOS for these days Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-04-23 12:37 +0100

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#5050

FromTony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-04-22 16:50 +0000
Message-ID<17e07e8452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
In reply to#5033
On 22 Apr 2012, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> I guess 99% of my business office work is still done on this 17 year
> old SARPC

[snip]

> A copy of the above SARPC exists in VRPC form on a PC and is backed to
> it once a week

I'd be interested to know exactly how you do that.

Currently my RiscPC holds about 20GB of data, and this is backed up to
the HostFS folder of RPCEmu, running on a Win7 host. I had been using
SyncDiscs, running in single-tasking mode on RPCEmu, to transfer the
data, via ShareFS, from RiscPC to RPCEmu. This worked well and had the
advantage that the RiscPC could continue to be used, while the backup
was taking place. However, it was, I thought, rather slow.

In an attempt to speed up the process, I recently bought a copy of
LanMan98. Although this can run on RPCEmu, it is not possible to 'see'
the RiscPC, which means that SyncDiscs must run on the RiscPC and, if in
single-tasking mode, the RiscPC cannot be used while the backup is in
progress. Moreover, I was unpleasantly surprised to find that the
LanMan98 transfer rate is even slower than that of ShareFS.

I wonder if you have a similar experience.

Tony


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#5054

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-04-22 18:54 +0100
Message-ID<528484b520dave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#5050
In article <17e07e8452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
   Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 22 Apr 2012, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]

> > I guess 99% of my business office work is still done on this 17 year
> > old SARPC

> [snip]

> > A copy of the above SARPC exists in VRPC form on a PC and is backed to
> > it once a week

> I'd be interested to know exactly how you do that.

> Currently my RiscPC holds about 20GB of data, and this is backed up to
> the HostFS folder of RPCEmu, running on a Win7 host. I had been using
> SyncDiscs, running in single-tasking mode on RPCEmu, to transfer the
> data, via ShareFS, from RiscPC to RPCEmu. This worked well and had the
> advantage that the RiscPC could continue to be used, while the backup
> was taking place. However, it was, I thought, rather slow.

> In an attempt to speed up the process, I recently bought a copy of
> LanMan98. Although this can run on RPCEmu, it is not possible to 'see'
> the RiscPC, which means that SyncDiscs must run on the RiscPC and, if in
> single-tasking mode, the RiscPC cannot be used while the backup is in
> progress. Moreover, I was unpleasantly surprised to find that the
> LanMan98 transfer rate is even slower than that of ShareFS.

> I wonder if you have a similar experience.

> Tony

Erm! Yes well...
Well... On the PC side I'm not using RPCEmu, I use VRPC-AdjustSA (RO 6.20)
(Some way to go before I would trust my business stuff to RPCEmu and I do
still have RPCEmu networking issues).

I tend to do the backup work when I'm doing Paper and Pen work at my desk,
so not bothered by machines being busy.

I have VRPC running full screen and using DirSync and a configured Hotlist
on the VRPC, pull from the SARPC to the PC VRPC using ShareFS.

As I have to do it, I've not bothered to time the process but it appears
to go reasonably speedily.

Impossible to say how much is backed as only things changed on the SARPC
are backed by DirSync.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#5067

FromTony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk>
Date2012-04-22 22:00 +0000
Message-ID<c92d9b8452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
In reply to#5054
On 22 Apr 2012, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <17e07e8452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
>    Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 22 Apr 2012, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > I guess 99% of my business office work is still done on this 17
> > > year old SARPC
>
> > [snip]
>
> > > A copy of the above SARPC exists in VRPC form on a PC and is
> > > backed to it once a week
>
> > I'd be interested to know exactly how you do that.
>
> > Currently my RiscPC holds about 20GB of data, and this is backed up
> > to the HostFS folder of RPCEmu, running on a Win7 host. I had been
> > using SyncDiscs, running in single-tasking mode on RPCEmu, to
> > transfer the data, via ShareFS, from RiscPC to RPCEmu. This worked
> > well and had the advantage that the RiscPC could continue to be
> > used, while the backup was taking place. However, it was, I thought,
> > rather slow.
>
> > In an attempt to speed up the process, I recently bought a copy of
> > LanMan98. Although this can run on RPCEmu, it is not possible to
> > 'see' the RiscPC, which means that SyncDiscs must run on the RiscPC
> > and, if in single-tasking mode, the RiscPC cannot be used while the
> > backup is in progress. Moreover, I was unpleasantly surprised to
> > find that the LanMan98 transfer rate is even slower than that of
> > ShareFS.
>
> > I wonder if you have a similar experience.
>
> Well... On the PC side I'm not using RPCEmu, I use VRPC-AdjustSA (RO
> 6.20) (Some way to go before I would trust my business stuff to RPCEmu
> and I do still have RPCEmu networking issues).

So far I've had no data loss or corruption with RPCEmu - but I do have
another independent backup to an external IDEFS drive.

> I tend to do the backup work when I'm doing Paper and Pen work at my
> desk, so not bothered by machines being busy.
>
> I have VRPC running full screen and using DirSync and a configured
> Hotlist on the VRPC, pull from the SARPC to the PC VRPC using ShareFS.

So basically the same as my Plan A, above, but you use DirSync instead
of SyncDirs. I did look at DirSync, but couldn't see how to configure it
to ignore file extensions (as you can with SyncDirs), which seems to be
necessary when comparing a file on ADFS, with the same file on NTFS.

> As I have to do it, I've not bothered to time the process but it
> appears to go reasonably speedily.
>
> Impossible to say how much is backed as only things changed on the
> SARPC are backed by DirSync.

True, but even if there are no changes, the process has to compare all
the backed up objects, in my case more than 600,000. Here, in itself,
this takes several hours.

Many thanks for your response. It seems to confirm that my original
approach was on the right track - and leaves me wondering why I bothered
with LanMan98.

Tony


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#5035

FromAlan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
Date2012-04-22 10:05 +0100
Message-ID<gemini.m2vikc002af9d02yw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk>
In reply to#5016
Peter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if
> they are still their primary computers.

Datapower and Ovation Pro still do the best job for me in their respective
fields but apart from software development everything else has been migrated
to Windows (can't do serious photography on RISC OS any more).

As for primary - for development, yes; for general everyday use, no.

Alan

-- 
RISC OS - you know it makes cents

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#5056

FromDave Wisnia at home <david@wisnia.net>
Date2012-04-22 21:17 +0100
Message-ID<b4d0918452.david@david.wisnia.net>
In reply to#5035
In message <gemini.m2vikc002af9d02yw.spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyou 
rself.co.uk>
          Alan Wrigley <spamhater@keepyourfilthyspamtoyourself.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Peter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
>> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if
>> they are still their primary computers.

> Datapower and Ovation Pro still do the best job for me in their respective
> fields but apart from software development everything else has been migrated
> to Windows (can't do serious photography on RISC OS any more).

> As for primary - for development, yes; for general everyday use, no.

> Alan

I use an Iyonix (ROS 5.18) to run my primary school website business. 
It's done everything required of it (a lot) - and is used in 
conjunction with a Windows laptop for checking layout on other web 
browsers and for video editing.

Software in use - Messenger Pro, Artworks 2X, Textease Studio, 
StrongEd, Pic_Index, Imagen, Picsize, Remane, Snapper, PrintPDF, 
Sparkplug or Infozip, ProArt24, Compo, TextEffx, Uniprint, Colsample, 
Variations, Easiwriter, Lanman98, RDPclient, Aemulor, Calendar (J. 
Horsnell). And while I work - PCITV and DigitalCD.

I also run Microsoft Office training, with the Iyonix originating the 
support booklets.

All my clients are very happy - so am I!

-- 
With very best wishes
Dave Wisnia

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#5041

FromTim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date2012-04-22 14:03 +0100
Message-ID<52846a1647tim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to#5016
In article
<924c8fc7-844f-4f8f-8c25-ccf50e5a214c@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
   Peter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if
> they are still their primary computers.

I would describe this Iyonix as my primary work desktop computer. 

* Most email and all Usenet arrives here
(Antispam/Popstar/Newshound/Pluto/Attacher) 

* the web sites I look after are edited here
(StrongED/HTML³/NetSurf/MakeTable/SiteMatch/WebChange)

* along with other designy stuff done here
(ArtWorks2/ChangeFSI/EasyFontPro/FSIBatch/InterGif/Paint/Variation). 

* businessy stuff (Firewkz32/Easiwrite)

My tax return and internet shopping is on the PC which is also for
viewing the web pages I am working on in a collection of full strength
browsers. For design work I haven't found anything better on the PC than
even an old version of ArtWorks2 on RISC OS, though it does lack a few
effects I have to work around.

For casual surfing of the web, twitter, facebook and Kindle I tend to use
my Android phone. This has replaced newspapers and some books in my life. 

Over many years I became incredibly frustrated by MS windows and its
single-tasking paradigm. Every window takes the whole screen when it is
embiggened and has to be on the top of the stack when it is being edited,
turning cut'n'paste into an art form. Adding a second monitor to the PC's
twin-head grafix card was the best decision I ever made, even though
windows is inconsistent in which it thinks is the primary screen of the
desktop!!!

-- 
from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com.
* Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg
* Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone
* Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/

... "Be just and fear not" Henry VIII, Act iii, Sc.2

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#5059

FromRichard Porter <dontusethis@address.uk.invalid>
Date2012-04-22 22:03 +0100
Message-ID<c903968452.news@user.minijem.plus.com>
In reply to#5016
The date being 21 Apr 2012, Peter <peternhopkins@hotmail.com> decided 
to write:

> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if
> they are still their primary computers.

I use a Kinetic RiscPC as my primary computer for email (Messenger 
Pro), producing a monthly newsletter (!Publisher), maintaining half a 
dozen web sites and !SiteMatch, running an association membership 
database (!Squirrel), accounts (Schema 2), processing photos although 
this is becoming very slow now that I have a newish DSLR and various 
other bits and pieces.

I also have a MacBook Pro which I use mainly for websites that don't 
work with RISC OS browsers including facebook, youtube, iPlayer and 
online banking, and for viewing attachments that won't open on the RPC 
(powerpoint and most video formats), taking to meetings and 
downloading photos from above mentioned DSLR. I have Virtual Acorn on 
the Macbook.

-- 
Richard Porter
rich@ / www. richardporter.me.uk
"You can't have Windows without pains."

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#5081

FromHarriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk>
Date2012-04-23 11:32 +0100
Message-ID<600ae08452.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#5016
On 21 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
          Peter  wrote:


> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if
> they are still their primary computers.
>
I don't have a Windows computer, so... for everything.

Except the BBC iPlayer service, for which I have to go to the local
library and access one of their 55-minute slots (supposed to be an hour,
but this includes boot-up/browser start-up time) - fortunately most of
the modern BBC serials come in at under an hour per episode once you
discount the trailers.   None of the other channels' 'catch-up' services
are available since they require software not available on the library
computers....

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.

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#5096

Fromcferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid
Date2012-04-24 13:33 +0100
Message-ID<bdf56e8552.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>
In reply to#5081
In message <600ae08452.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
          Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 21 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
>           Peter  wrote:
[snip]
> 
> Except the BBC iPlayer service, for which I have to go to the local
> library and access one of their 55-minute slots (supposed to be an
> hour, but this includes boot-up/browser start-up time) - fortunately
> most of the modern BBC serials come in at under an hour per episode
> once you
[snip]

Conjured up image of a row of people - in the library with their
headphones on - catching up on missed programs.

Are you allowed to record the programs?

-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#5116

FromHarriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 12:28 +0100
Message-ID<2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
In reply to#5096
On 24 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
          cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> In message <600ae08452.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
>           Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 21 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
> >           Peter  wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Except the BBC iPlayer service, for which I have to go to the local
> > library and access one of their 55-minute slots (supposed to be an
> > hour, but this includes boot-up/browser start-up time) - fortunately
> > most of the modern BBC serials come in at under an hour per episode
> > once you
> [snip]
>
> Conjured up image of a row of people - in the library with their
> headphones on - catching up on missed programs.

Seems to happen quite a lot, yes....

>
> Are you allowed to record the programs?
>
I wouldn't know how to do it under Windows (or RISC OS for that matter);
I dare say there is some well-known hack that PC users employ for their
home viewing, and it might be possible to run it from a USB stick and
record back onto same stick, but the general intent of the BBC is that
it should not be possible to do so.   (After all, they want to be able
to release boxed sets of their programmes after broadcast has ended.)

-- 
Harriet Bazley                     ==  Loyaulte me lie ==

A thing is not necessarily true because a man dies for it.

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#5117

FromBrian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
Date2012-04-25 12:46 +0100
Message-ID<5285ee7923brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>
In reply to#5116
In article <2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

>(After all, they want to be able
> to release boxed sets of their programmes after broadcast has ended.)

Or "boxettes" as they are labelled in our local HMV store.

-- 
_____________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
Virtual RPC-AdjustSA
RISC OS 6.20
_____________________________________________________________________

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#5118

FromAlan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 13:05 +0100
Message-ID<5285f04a5falan_calder@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#5116
In article <2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
>           cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

[Snip]

> > Are you allowed to record the programs?
> >
> I wouldn't know how to do it under Windows (or RISC OS for that matter);
> I dare say there is some well-known hack that PC users employ for their
> home viewing, and it might be possible to run it from a USB stick and
> record back onto same stick, but the general intent of the BBC is that
> it should not be possible to do so.   (After all, they want to be able
> to release boxed sets of their programmes after broadcast has ended.)

I don't know the legality of it but I have used Get_iplayer to record a
programme for a friend to send to a relative in the USA.  I think it was
one of those Choirs programmes where the daughter of the US relative was a
member of the choir.  It all worked very easily to my surprise.

Have a look at:

http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html

and

http://www.smallsoftware.co.uk/get_iplayer-2-78/

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#5122

FromM Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
Date2012-04-25 15:05 +0100
Message-ID<5285fb3fb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
In reply to#5116
In article <2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
   Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
>           cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

[ . . . ]

> > Are you allowed to record the programs?

> I wouldn't know how to do it under Windows (or RISC OS for that
> matter); I dare say there is some well-known hack that PC users
> employ for their home viewing, and it might be possible to run it
> from a USB stick and record back onto same stick, but the general
> intent of the BBC is that it should not be possible to do so.
> (After all, they want to be able to release boxed sets of their
> programmes after broadcast has ended.)

Recording under RISC OS must be the hard way to get round the BBC's
need to assert its copyright. Has no one, let alone the BBC, yet heard
of DVD or HD recorders? 

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#5124

FromAlan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 15:49 +0100
Message-ID<5285ff42eealan_calder@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#5122
In article <5285fb3fb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>,
   M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
>    Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 24 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
> >           cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> [ . . . ]

> > > Are you allowed to record the programs?

> > I wouldn't know how to do it under Windows (or RISC OS for that
> > matter); I dare say there is some well-known hack that PC users
> > employ for their home viewing, and it might be possible to run it
> > from a USB stick and record back onto same stick, but the general
> > intent of the BBC is that it should not be possible to do so.
> > (After all, they want to be able to release boxed sets of their
> > programmes after broadcast has ended.)

> Recording under RISC OS must be the hard way to get round the BBC's
> need to assert its copyright. Has no one, let alone the BBC, yet heard
> of DVD or HD recorders? 

Recorders aren't a lot of use with iPlayer, Mike.

Alan

[Snip]

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#5125

FromM Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk>
Date2012-04-25 16:34 +0100
Message-ID<5286035fedriscos@mdharding.org.uk>
In reply to#5124
In article <5285ff42eealan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5285fb3fb3riscos@mdharding.org.uk>,
>    M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <2ad6ec8552.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>,
> >    Harriet Bazley <bazley@feathermail.co.uk> wrote:
> > > On 24 Apr 2012 as I do recall,
> > >           cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid wrote:

> > [ . . . ]

> > > > Are you allowed to record the programs?

> > > I wouldn't know how to do it under Windows (or RISC OS for that
> > > matter); I dare say there is some well-known hack that PC users
> > > employ for their home viewing, and it might be possible to run
> > > it from a USB stick and record back onto same stick, but the
> > > general intent of the BBC is that it should not be possible to
> > > do so. (After all, they want to be able to release boxed sets
> > > of their programmes after broadcast has ended.)

> > Recording under RISC OS must be the hard way to get round the
> > BBC's need to assert its copyright. Has no one, let alone the
> > BBC, yet heard of DVD or HD recorders? 

> Recorders aren't a lot of use with iPlayer, Mike.

Sorry! I wasn't paying enough attention to the context, in my
presupposing a live recording. I see now it referred to get_iplayer. 

With my daughter now in Australia . . !

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#5127

FromAlan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 17:08 +0100
Message-ID<52860681efalan_calder@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#5125
In article <5286035fedriscos@mdharding.org.uk>,
   M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

[Snip]

> With my daughter now in Australia . . !

Lucky devil!  Throw another one on the barbie for me and I'll have another
lamington while it cooks.

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#5131

FromDave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 18:48 +0100
Message-ID<52860fa68bdave@triffid.co.uk>
In reply to#5127
In article <52860681efalan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <5286035fedriscos@mdharding.org.uk>,
>    M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> [Snip]

> > With my daughter now in Australia . . !

> Lucky devil!  Throw another one on the barbie for me and I'll have
> another lamington while it cooks.

> Alan

Really, Are you allowed to cook daughters in Australia?
Do we support cannibalism on these NGs?

D.

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#5132

FromAlan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
Date2012-04-25 19:02 +0100
Message-ID<528610f546alan_calder@o2.co.uk>
In reply to#5131
In article <52860fa68bdave@triffid.co.uk>,
   Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52860681efalan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
>    Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <5286035fedriscos@mdharding.org.uk>,
> >    M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> wrote:

> > [Snip]

> > > With my daughter now in Australia . . !

> > Lucky devil!  Throw another one on the barbie for me and I'll have
> > another lamington while it cooks.

> > Alan

> Really, Are you allowed to cook daughters in Australia?
> Do we support cannibalism on these NGs?

You'll have to ask Druck about that last one but in a land where the local
otters dress up as ducks why not consume the odd offspring?

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#5082

FromJim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk>
Date2012-04-23 12:37 +0100
Message-ID<5284e6011enoise@audiomisc.co.uk>
In reply to#5016
In article
<924c8fc7-844f-4f8f-8c25-ccf50e5a214c@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Peter
<peternhopkins@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I still keep looking at this and the hardware forum to see whats going
> on and got to wondering what RO users use their machines for and if they
> are still their primary computers.

I think the responses you have had so far do bring out one distinction that
seems to have grown in significance in practice. This is that people who
continue to use RO may be doing so via an emulation rather than 'native' on
Arm-based hardware.

In the past I've experimented with RPCEmu. But having recently got a new,
more powerful, 'PC' to run Linux I've installed RPCEmu 0.8.9 and been
trying out using that for more day-to-day purposes instead of my Iyonix.

I've not yet come to any conclusion about where the balance of my
day-by-day activity will end up. But RPCEmu on linux seems to work pretty
well to me. So I'm tending to use that a lot when using Linux things also
is involved. (Which for me is a fair bit of the time since one of my main
interests is audio.).

At present I'm mainly using my Iyonix when I want to access email or
usenet. I've not yet decided to give using RPCEmu a try for that as - IIUC
- it involved running RPCEmu as root, which I am perhaps unduly wary of
doing.

But for other tasks, in practice I find RPCEmu now to be about as fast and
useable as my Iyonix. The only irritation I have with it is a sort of
'roller skating mouse' behaviour.

So the bulk of my computer use is based on RO. But less than before of it
is based on RO 'hardware'. At present I don't know how that will develop in
future. I'll just see how I get on.

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
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Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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