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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4304

[snip]
> > 
> http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17
> gives you an idea of how Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the
> net for sites that provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.

Stan, how close are those vowel sounds to their equivalent in Norse,
please?

Brian

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#4395

In message <5270bfa2c4bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
          Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]
> > > 
> > http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17
> > gives you an idea of how Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the
> > net for sites that provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.
> 
> Stan, how close are those vowel sounds to their equivalent in Norse,
> please?
> 
You mean Old Norse?

No-one knows what Old Norse sounds like. IIRC Icelandic is closest to
Old Norse. Icelandic grammar is much more complex that modern Norwegian
and Icelandic uses letters that don't exist in the other modern Nordic
languages.

Norwegian was influenced by German to a considerable extent during the
period that Bergen was part of the Hanseatic League. In terms of
vocabulary and grammar and I presume pronunciation, Norwegian developed
away from Old Norse during the Middle Ages.

There are still some influences in West Coast and "Ny Norsk" dialects
that are a bit more German than the East Norwegian "Bokmål" dialects.

"Ny Norsk" Eg = I = which sounds a bit like 'ich'
"Bokmål"    Jeg = I = sounds a bit like yiy

Coincidently 'jeg' in Norwegian sounds exactly the same as the Dutch
word for 'you' = jij. Which is a bit confusing if you learn either
language after learning the other first.

Regards
Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4419

Hi Stan


> > > > 
> > > http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17 gives you an idea of how
> > > Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the net for sites that
> > > provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.
> > 
> > Stan, how close are those vowel sounds to their equivalent in Norse,
> > please?
> > 
> You mean Old Norse?

You're right Stan. That is what I meant. In my ignorance, my understanding
is that Icelandic is clos-ish to Old Norse, but wondered how extreme the
dichotomy between the two actually is, so to speak.

> No-one knows what Old Norse sounds like. IIRC Icelandic is closest to
> Old Norse. Icelandic grammar is much more complex that modern Norwegian
> and Icelandic uses letters that don't exist in the other modern Nordic
> languages.

Thanks for that.

> Norwegian was influenced by German to a considerable extent during the
> period that Bergen was part of the Hanseatic League. In terms of
> vocabulary and grammar and I presume pronunciation, Norwegian developed
> away from Old Norse during the Middle Ages.

Yes, absolutely! Reading translations of Norse prose and poetry it would
seem that, again in my ignorance, that the origin of the translator is
critical and would tend to confirm what you have said, eg English,
Germanic or Scandinavian translators sometimes appear to arrive at quite
different meanings.

Sometimes one can say, 'hey, that just doesn't look right', with some
certainty.

It seems to me that it is vital to retain a knowledge of etymology through
an understanding of the origin of different word spellings. Not simply as
an academic process.

> There are still some influences in West Coast and "Ny Norsk" dialects
> that are a bit more German than the East Norwegian "Bokmål" dialects.

> "Ny Norsk" Eg = I = which sounds a bit like 'ich' "Bokmål"    Jeg = I =
> sounds a bit like yiy

> Coincidently 'jeg' in Norwegian sounds exactly the same as the Dutch
> word for 'you' = jij. Which is a bit confusing if you learn either
> language after learning the other first.

I guess to an extent there has been some kind of linguistic ecological
isolation. And, I am minded of one valley in Wales where, until relatively
recently, it was reputed that only Welsh was spoken.

I used to work with ex-miners in Derbyshire. Their dialect wasn't
particularly extreme, but I recall visiting a friend and trying to talk to
his eighty year old father, an ex-coal mine pump-man, and I couldn't
understand one word that he said.

Thanks, Stan.

Regards

Brian

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#4420

In article <5272d4dbb0bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Coincidently 'jeg' in Norwegian sounds exactly the same
> > as the Dutch word for 'you' = jij. Which is a bit
> > confusing if you learn either language after learning
> > the other first.

> I guess to an extent there has been some kind of
> linguistic ecological isolation. And, I am minded of one
> valley in Wales where, until relatively recently, it was
> reputed that only Welsh was spoken.

This is (certainly used to be 30 years ago) common
throughout German-speaking Switzerland. I worked with a
young woman from the town I lived in who could not
understand a word her uncle said in his natural dialect; he
lived 12km away up a remote valley.

I found it fascinating to watch people from different parts
of the country meeting for the first time. There was always
a period of adjustment while they worked out just how much
dialect and accent they could use before real communication
started.

Once I started using modems, it always seemed that they
worked in a similar way, at first each modem would make
strange noises to each other, then suddenlt something
clicked and communication was established.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4427

In article <5272d4dbb0bbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Stan
> > > > > 
> > > > http://mistymornings.net/blogs/lin/?p=17 gives you an idea of
> > > > how Norwegian vowels sound. You can also search the net for
> > > > sites that provide sound files of Norwegian pronunciation.
> > > 
> > > Stan, how close are those vowel sounds to their equivalent in
> > > Norse, please?
> > > 
> > You mean Old Norse?

I do value the way in which ZFC has blossomed greatly, now that it's
gathered up so many new members from comp.sys.acorn.misc.    8-)

Actually this is just the type of conversation that I recall
listening to some years back before we seemed to doze off and the
number of postings declined. Splendid! 

In case anyone still hasn't heard of ZFC  [Zimmer-Frame Club] it's
designed for old fogeys of all ages. The only slight snag, is that
the word c*mp*t*r and such technical stuff is supposed to be
prohibited.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#4499

In message <5272d4dbb0bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
          Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Stan
> 
[snip]
> 
> I used to work with ex-miners in Derbyshire. Their dialect wasn't
> particularly extreme, but I recall visiting a friend and trying to talk to
> his eighty year old father, an ex-coal mine pump-man, and I couldn't
> understand one word that he said.
> 
I've just got a demerit point on my 2 month assessment at my new job
because I admitted I couldn't understand an 80 year old 'Hallingen' who
lives near me (despite having experienced a dramatic increase in fluency
in Norwegian, both written and verbal, in my first two months in work).

What is rather annoying is that he my company doesn't deliver any
services to him and he is not in our target user group. So there is no
need for me to be able to understand such people.

Sigh.

 Cheers Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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#4509

In article <f7ff127452.news@mistymornings.net>,
   <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:
> In message <5272d4dbb0bbailey@argonet.co.uk>
>           Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > Hi Stan
> > 
> [snip]
> > 
> > I used to work with ex-miners in Derbyshire. Their dialect wasn't
> > particularly extreme, but I recall visiting a friend and trying to
> > talk to his eighty year old father, an ex-coal mine pump-man, and I
> > couldn't understand one word that he said.
> > 
> I've just got a demerit point on my 2 month assessment at my new job
> because I admitted I couldn't understand an 80 year old 'Hallingen' who
> lives near me (despite having experienced a dramatic increase in fluency
> in Norwegian, both written and verbal, in my first two months in work).

> What is rather annoying is that he my company doesn't deliver any
> services to him and he is not in our target user group. So there is no
> need for me to be able to understand such people.

Years ago, my wife and I had a young German engineer staying with us for
six months in order for him to improve his spoken English. He wasn't too
bad, but some of the standard phrases he was provided with by his employer
were total and utter rubbish. His employer sent him out into the Welsh
valleys for a day, no idea what for, but I never expected to see him
again. 8-)

One memorable Sunday morning we were sitting late at breakfast looking out
of the window at a 'dreach' day (is that correct Scots dielect?) and he
said, with complete confidence,

'It is raining, jah?'

'Well, no Max, it's sort of drizzling a bit, maybe mizzling'

Long conversation followed about rain and all its possible variations, a
bit like twenty Eskimo words for types of snow. We didn't get into 'stair
rods' or 'cats and dogs', that would have been just too technical.

One very frustrated German eventually protested,

'What is all this, either it is raining or it not raining!'

He never did understand the various niceties of English weather. 8-)


Cheers, Stan

Regards

Brian

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#4511

In article <527452829dbbailey@argonet.co.uk>,
   Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Years ago, my wife and I had a young German engineer
> staying with us for six months in order for him to
> improve his spoken English. 

[Snip]

> One memorable Sunday morning we were sitting late at
> breakfast looking out of the window at a 'dreach' day (is
> that correct Scots dielect?)

Dreich.

There is a fairly similar local Cumbrian word, but
embarassingly, I have forgotten it.

> and he said, with complete confidence,

> 'It is raining, jah?'

> 'Well, no Max, it's sort of drizzling a bit, maybe
> mizzling'

When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

> Long conversation followed about rain and all its
> possible variations, a bit like twenty Eskimo words for
> types of snow. We didn't get into 'stair rods' or 'cats
> and dogs',

German: Bindfaden regnen

French: Pleuvoir comme vache qui pisse

Both in common usage.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4514

In article <52745b7b8dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

Another very old expression actually. May be confined to certain areas of
the country?

I was intrigued the other day to find a tea-towel purportedly explaining
Norfolk dialect on which the word "Lummox" was defined. To me that word
was scots, as in "Yer big lummox"

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4518

In article <527461d0bdSpambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52745b7b8dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell
>    Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

> Another very old expression actually. May be confined to certain
> areas of the country?

> I was intrigued the other day to find a tea-towel purportedly
> explaining Norfolk dialect on which the word "Lummox" was defined. To
> me that word was scots, as in "Yer big lummox"

Definitely English (?notably E. Anglian but heard in other parts) and
probably a C19 variant of lummock (or its plural used singularly).

-- 
Dev

Om Namah Shivaya | Om Kaala-kalaya namaha

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#4519

In article <527461d0bdSpambin@argonet.co.uk>,
   Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <52745b7b8dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

> Another very old expression actually. May be confined to certain areas of
> the country?

When I lived in North Devon many years ago, mizzling was used.

> I was intrigued the other day to find a tea-towel purportedly explaining
> Norfolk dialect on which the word "Lummox" was defined. To me that word
> was scots, as in "Yer big lummox"

Again in Devon, "Ya gert Lummox"

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#4520

In article <52745b7b8dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[Snip]

> When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

My father who was from a long line of farmers around Okehampton, Devon
regularly uused "mizzle" and its derivatives - "'Tis a bit mizzly, you."

[Snip]

-- 
______________________________________________________________________

Brian Jordan
From somewhere in North Hampshire. England. UK.
______________________________________________________________________

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#4524

In article <527475dd61brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
   Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:

> My father who was from a long line of farmers around Okehampton, Devon
> regularly uused "mizzle" and its derivatives - "'Tis a bit mizzly, you."

Exactly as it is in Dutch - 'miezeren' and 'miezerig'.

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4525

[snip]

> > One memorable Sunday morning we were sitting late at
> > breakfast looking out of the window at a 'dreach' day (is
> > that correct Scots dielect?)

> Dreich.

Thanks. 'dreach' didn't feel quite right. There you go, as they say, it's
orl bout crekt speling.

> There is a fairly similar local Cumbrian word, but
> embarassingly, I have forgotten it.

> > and he said, with complete confidence,

> > 'It is raining, jah?'

> > 'Well, no Max, it's sort of drizzling a bit, maybe
> > mizzling'

> When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

Glorcester! Common expression!

> > Long conversation followed about rain and all its
> > possible variations, a bit like twenty Eskimo words for
> > types of snow. We didn't get into 'stair rods' or 'cats
> > and dogs',

> German: Bindfaden regnen

Don't know what that means.

> French: Pleuvoir comme vache qui piss

Yes, I do know what that means. 8-)

> Both in common usage.

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#4532

In article <5274800903bbailey@argonet.co.uk>, Brian Bailey
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> [snip]

> > > One memorable Sunday morning we were sitting late at
> > > breakfast looking out of the window at a 'dreach' day
> > > (is that correct Scots dielect?)

> > Dreich.

> Thanks. 'dreach' didn't feel quite right. There you go,
> as they say, it's orl bout crekt speling.

> > There is a fairly similar local Cumbrian word, but
> > embarassingly, I have forgotten it.

> > > and he said, with complete confidence,

> > > 'It is raining, jah?'

> > > 'Well, no Max, it's sort of drizzling a bit, maybe
> > > mizzling'

> > When did 'mizzling' appear? It is pretty new to me.

> Glorcester! Common expression!

Never lived there. Nor Devon, nor Norfolk, though many years
ago, more than I like to remember, I used to visit
frequently

> > > Long conversation followed about rain and all its
> > > possible variations, a bit like twenty Eskimo words
> > > for types of snow. We didn't get into 'stair rods' or
> > > 'cats and dogs',

> > German: Bindfaden regnen

> Don't know what that means.

'Faden' are threads. 'Bind' means the same as in English,
though pronounced differently.

The image I have is 'Binder twine' or 'Baler twine', really
thick thread!

Given the vicious thunder storms you get in germany I am
surprised at his lack of discernment.

Early 1980s I took a small Scottish school group walking in
Bavaria. One afternoon we got caught in a typical thunder
storm. The kids (15-16) were gobsmacked by the intensity of
the rain.

If you get caught in one of those storms while driving you
need to pull off the road and stop - mainly because of the
noise of the rain on the car roof which stops you
concentrating.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4558

In message <52745b7b8dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> French: Pleuvoir comme vache qui pisse

haha

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#4529

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:07:07 +0000 (GMT), Brian Bailey 
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> One very frustrated German eventually protested,
> 'What is all this, either it is raining or it not raining!'
> He never did understand the various niceties of English weather. 8-)

I believe the Japanese have a whole collection of words to describe 
the different *sounds* made by falling rain.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4531

In article <almarsoft.6038144005891874996@news.orange.fr>, Rick Murray
<heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:07:07 +0000 (GMT), Brian Bailey
> <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > One very frustrated German eventually protested, 'What is all this,
> > either it is raining or it not raining!' He never did understand the
> > various niceties of English weather. 8-)

> I believe the Japanese have a whole collection of words to describe
> the different *sounds* made by falling rain.

Is that similar to the urban myth that eskimos have 100 words for snow? 

;-)

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
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* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

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#4538

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:15:23 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill 
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> Is that similar to the urban myth that eskimos have 100 words for 
snow?

http://www.tjf.or.jp/eng/content/japaneseculture/14rain.htm

:-P


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4534

> > One very frustrated German eventually protested,
> > 'What is all this, either it is raining or it not raining!'
> > He never did understand the various niceties of English weather. 8-)

> I believe the Japanese have a whole collection of words to describe 
> the different *sounds* made by falling rain.

Japan. There's a coincidence. When I was in the Merchant Navy I once had
shore leave in the port of Yokahama and got myself thoroughly lost, then
tried to ask for directions to get back to back to my ship. Talk about
culture shock!

Cheers

Brian

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