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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4093

On Thu, 08 Mar 2012 12:30:28 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf 
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> Must admit that having once tried to use !IKHG and learn about RO 
keyboard
> handlers years ago.  As a result, the mere mention of this topic 
still
> makes me shudder!

Just had a look at my copy, has been kicking around since...whenever, 
doesn't matter. Anyway. Seems to sort-of support dead-key accents, 
but these look to be hardwired (read: possibly botched in as an 
afterthought).
Probably easier to work out what the program/driver actually *does* 
and write something new. ;-)

I can see why Jim shuddered, it is.......uh....."quirky" (and no 
messing!).

The licence says it can be distributed for RISC OS users, but not 
sold, so I've put a copy at:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/ikhg.zip

Just gave it a trial run. Wouldn't assemble (<giggle>), moans about 
multiply defined symbols or something. Can't be assed working it out, 
might be better looking at what is going on and seeing how it relates 
to the ROOL version, rather than hacking about with something that 
predates ARM multitasking.

Oh, and given it offers to build a module for Arthur, don't even 
contemplate asking if it is 32bit safe!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4095

On Fri, 09 Mar 2012 01:39:38 +0100, Rick Murray 
<heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> to the ROOL version, rather than hacking about with something that 
> predates ARM multitasking.

Scrap this - just had a look at the RO CVS browser, and it looks like 
some sort of description file is used. Much better!

Oh, and IKHG is there too, in the "attic". ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4053

Michael Bell  wrote on 7 Mar:
> One of the problems of spelling for English is that we only have only
> 26 letters for 44 sounds. ...
> ... to produce the
> new letters straight off the keyboard. What are the possibilities?

The top row of keys could be used for at least 10 of the 18 new
letters required.  After all, we already have the numeric keypad
(underused, for Shift-Ctrl-Alt don't do anything).

Keyboard considerations aside, I used to think that phonetic spelling 
for English would be a good thing.  In my teens the Shaw Alphabet came 
out (GB Shaws will gave a prize; among other things it abolished the 
pesky apostrophe).  I learned the alphabet, a rather elegant 
adaptation of Pitman, and still use it for shorthand.  But I'm no 
longer convinced by the utilitarian arguments for phonetic spelling: 
we would lose sight of the roots of our English words in so many other 
languages and cultures, a far richer heritage than any other language
on Earth (though I admit ignorance about Chinese).


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk

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#4125

Jim Nagel wrote:
> But I'm no
> longer convinced by the utilitarian arguments for phonetic spelling:

The big failing with phonetic spelling that everybody willfully
ignores, is: spell how it is said - how it is said BY WHO???

Id wid bi naiyss iv suumbidi nohtizzd thzz.

JGH

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#4126

In article
<4377448a-d1f0-42d4-b0f1-f4079a8c82be@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
   jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> how it is said BY WHO???

Or as we English speakers say: By whom?

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4129

John Williams wrote:
> > how it is said BY WHO???
> Or as we English speakers say: By whom?

The 'm' vanished into the multiple ???s as I swapped
which shift key I was pressing.

JGH

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#4135

On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), jgharston 
<jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> Id wid bi naiyss iv suumbidi nohtizzd thzz.

Brummie?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4136

On 10-Mar-2012, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), jgharston
> <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Id wid bi naiyss iv suumbidi nohtizzd thzz.
>
> Brummie?

Well it's certainly not Geordie; too may vowels.

-- 
David Holden  -  APDL  -  <http://www.apdl.co.uk>

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#4210

In article <9s0emeF9i1U1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> On 10-Mar-2012, Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > On Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:37:55 -0800 (PST), jgharston
> > <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Id wid bi naiyss iv suumbidi nohtizzd thzz.
> >
> > Brummie?

> Well it's certainly not Geordie; too may vowels.

Nor Cockney: too many consonan's.

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#5896

On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 2:55:24 AM UTC-6, Michael Bell wrote:
> I am a spelling reformer and a member of
> http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
> English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds. One of the
> things we do is to use two letters together to write one sound, eg
> 'th' for the teeth on tongue sound in "the". The trouble with that we
> sometimes want to use them to sound separately, as in "foothold". So
> we need more letters, handwriting is not a problem, we can all learn,
> the big obstacle is mechanised text, and here technical progress has
> been in favour of reform, there are more letters, with unicode
> codings. All modern screens and printers will show and print these
> characters.  We cannot let a subsequent text editor combine t + h to 
> give  Þ unless it has a great deal of knowledge of what is and is not 
> corrent, in effect a spell-checker. How can we produce them on a 
> qwerty keyboard?
> 
> On possibility is to re-map the keyboard, as is done for German and
> the Scandinavian languages. How easy is it to produce such a
> re-mapping in way that can be supplied to users? There seems to be a
> limit to the number of new letters that can be produced, am I right?
> 
> Another possibility is to use two keys held down together to produce 
> the new letter, for example t pressed down with h produces the symbol 
> for the voiced th in 'the' = Þ, and d pressed down with h produces the 
> symbol for the unvoiced th in 'thistle' = ð. These letters exist in 
> both capital and small forms, Þ þ Ð ð, so capitalisation has to be 
> thought of. The "other" keys might be ctrl and alt-ctrl.
> 
> 
> Spell-checkers are not a problem, they can be modified. All 
> dictionaries are databases recording the standard spelling of a word, 
> its grammatical changes (the plural form, the tenses etc), a 
> definition of its meaning and the pronunciation, even if they don't 
> show all these entries. The pronunciation can be reworked into 
> whatever standard has been chosen. What's needed is to reverse the 
> correct and incorrect, make the phonetic form correct and the standard 
> form incorrect.
> 
> The bottle-neck is getting it right in the first place, to produce the 
> new letters straight off the keyboard. What are the possibilities?
> 
> Michael Bell
> 
> --

I would start by looking at already existing keyboards; for example, the Icelandic keyboard has eth, thorn, and ash. There may not be one with everything you want, but it's worth checking out. And if you do do some key mapping, it will at least save you some steps.

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#5905

In article <c1acaf9a-119d-450c-99ea-21a58f2e126e@googlegroups.com>,
   <duncancv@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 7, 2012 2:55:24 AM UTC-6, Michael Bell wrote:
> > I am a spelling reformer

Good luck with that because words in English will NEVER be phonetic
because we continually absorb foreign words which follow their own rules!
I imagine you know how Ghoti is pronounced. A friend dropped that
nickname: too many people called him 'Goatey'.

> > and a member of
> > http://www.spellingsociety.org/ One of the problems of spelling for
> > English is that we only have only 26 letters for 44 sounds. One of
> > the things we do is to use two letters together to write one sound,
> > eg &#39;th&#39; for the teeth on tongue sound in &quot;the&quot;. The
> > trouble with that we sometimes want to use them to sound separately,
> > as in &quot;foothold&quot;. So we need more letters, handwriting is
> > not a problem, we can all learn, the big obstacle is mechanised text,
> > and here technical progress has been in favour of reform, there are
> > more letters, with unicode codings. All modern screens and printers
> > will show and print these characters.  We cannot let a subsequent
> > text editor combine t + h to give  Þ unless it has a great deal of
> > knowledge of what is and is not corrent, in effect a spell-checker.
> > How can we produce them on a qwerty keyboard?


[Snip]

> I would start by looking at already existing keyboards; 

[Snip]

The one in front of you?  ;-)

Though it may give you only 12-ish, Isn't this one reason why more apps
should support user-defined function keys as well as their own
multifarious use of same?

I have /for years/ had 
Key 9 |U
in an Obey file in ADFS::harddisc4.$.!BOOT.Choices.Boot.Tasks

This enables a single keypress to delete a line in some 'real' RISC OS
(style-guide compliant?) apps, instead of the stretch which is required
with the left hand - when the right is bemoused.

Unfortunately, many (incomplete?!) applications appear to ignore
User-Defined Function Keys.  :-(

There was even one macro inserter which used to link to the function key
definitions. I forget which. At least that gave you a means to define
them in the desktop, rather than at 'tinkering' level. There could be
something like that in configure to insert whatever system-wide phonemes
you want. 

System wide recognition of good, old UDFKs would go a long way to provide
some users with the extra keypresses they desire. Once the key definition
contains or generates the character definition you want, then it's just a
matter of ensuring that developers include support in some way and allow
extended spell-checkers with user dictionaries.

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#5906

On 22-Jul-2012, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> Good luck with that because words in English will NEVER be phonetic
> because we continually absorb foreign words which follow their own rules!
> I imagine you know how Ghoti is pronounced.

Yes, but that's an artificial construct.

A more natural one is the name Featherstoneleigh.

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#5907

In article <a7492eFer7U1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> On 22-Jul-2012, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> > Good luck with that because words in English will NEVER be phonetic
> > because we continually absorb foreign words which follow their own
> > rules! I imagine you know how Ghoti is pronounced.

> Yes, but that's an artificial construct.

Nope. Indian name. West Bengal. Pronounced as written. Like Ghote.

> A more natural one is the name Featherstoneleigh.

Except that one definitely is made up. Featherstone-Leigh exists, I
believe.

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#5908

In article <52b3ab9fb0spam-addy@no.spam.invalid>,
   Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <a7492eFer7U1@mid.individual.net>,
>    David Holden <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> wrote:

> > On 22-Jul-2012, Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> > > Good luck with that because words in English will NEVER be phonetic
> > > because we continually absorb foreign words which follow their own
> > > rules! I imagine you know how Ghoti is pronounced.

> > Yes, but that's an artificial construct.

> Nope. Indian name. West Bengal. Pronounced as written. Like Ghote.

> > A more natural one is the name Featherstoneleigh.

> Except that one definitely is made up. Featherstone-Leigh exists, I
> believe.

Doesn't really need foreign imports to show the problem.

Within a circle of 8 miles here are the villages of Loughton (L-ow-ton),
Broughton (Brawton or, for non-Scots, Broarton) and Woughton (Woofton).

Try getting those locals spelling their home villages phonetically without
getting a pitchfork up you!

Cheers

Alan

-- 
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#5909

In article <52b3b5610ealan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Doesn't really need foreign imports to show the problem.

> Within a circle of 8 miles here are the villages of Loughton (L-ow-ton),
> Broughton (Brawton or, for non-Scots, Broarton) and Woughton (Woofton).

> Try getting those locals spelling their home villages phonetically
> without getting a pitchfork up you!

Reminds me of many years ago in Leicester being asked by a Texan couple
"can you direct us to Loogaborooga". It took me some minutes to work out
that the answer was "go north on the A6".

Alan

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#5910

In article <52b3b9097falan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
   Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52b3b5610ealan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:

> > Doesn't really need foreign imports to show the problem.

> > Within a circle of 8 miles here are the villages of
> > Loughton (L-ow-ton), Broughton (Brawton or, for
> > non-Scots, Broarton) and Woughton (Woofton).

> > Try getting those locals spelling their home villages
> > phonetically without getting a pitchfork up you!

> Reminds me of many years ago in Leicester being asked by a
> Texan couple "can you direct us to Loogaborooga". It took
> me some minutes to work out that the answer was "go north
> on the A6".

My personal favourite is a group or villages on the Welsh
border. IIRC, one in Shropshire and two in Radnorshire.

Ratlinghope
Burlingjobb
Evenjobb

When spoken, the first two rhyme, while the third is
pronounced (or was when I was there) exactly as it sounds,
and nothing like the way the first two sound.

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#5912

In article <52b3b9097falan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>,
   Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Reminds me of many years ago in Leicester being asked by a Texan couple
> "can you direct us to Loogaborooga". It took me some minutes to work out
> that the answer was "go north on the A6".

Reminds of a few years ago when I was in Leicester and I was asking
directions.

"Go down this street to the junction and go along Beaver street". I
arrived at the junction and looked around. I could not see it and asked
again. I was then directed down Belvoir Street

-- 
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#5924

In article <52b3c6d995Spambin@argonet.co.uk>, Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
wrote:
> Reminds of a few years ago when I was in Leicester and I was asking
> directions.

The /real/ fun in Leicester is - or used to be -  to be near the Royal
Infirmary and ask directions to the hospital. You will be sent several miles
across town to the General Hospital.

Rosemary


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#5915

In message <52b3b9097falan.dawes@argonet.co.uk>
     Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52b3b5610ealan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
>    Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > Doesn't really need foreign imports to show the problem.
> 
> > Within a circle of 8 miles here are the villages of Loughton (L-ow-ton),
> > Broughton (Brawton or, for non-Scots, Broarton) and Woughton (Woofton).
> 
> > Try getting those locals spelling their home villages phonetically
> > without getting a pitchfork up you!
> 
> Reminds me of many years ago in Leicester being asked by a Texan couple
> "can you direct us to Loogaborooga". It took me some minutes to work out
> that the answer was "go north on the A6".

Give them credit. They found their way to Le-isesster.

-- 
Fred

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#5959

In article <mpro.m7mefi00rh1ww005h@ypical.nospam.invalid>, Fred Bambrough
<fred@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
> In message <52b3b9097falan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> Alan Dawes
>      <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <52b3b5610ealan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
> >    <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Doesn't really need foreign imports to show the problem.
> > 
> > > Within a circle of 8 miles here are the villages of Loughton
> > > (L-ow-ton), Broughton (Brawton or, for non-Scots, Broarton) and
> > > Woughton (Woofton).
> > 
> > > Try getting those locals spelling their home villages phonetically
> > > without getting a pitchfork up you!
> > 
> > Reminds me of many years ago in Leicester being asked by a Texan
> > couple "can you direct us to Loogaborooga". It took me some minutes
> > to work out that the answer was "go north on the A6".

> Give them credit. They found their way to Le-isesster.

I've heard a brit say "Lie-chester" so we don't have to blame yanks from
Arkansas. They have their own problems where 50% can't say 'warrior' or
any other word with two adjacent vowels.

Bicester is another local favourite ("Bista").

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