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Spelling reform on the keyboard?

Started by	Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk>
First post	2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
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  Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 08:55 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 10:37 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 11:32 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 12:58 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Chris Bell <news@highpath.net> - 2012-03-07 14:14 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:32 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-03-07 16:57 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-07 15:02 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:43 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:03 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 13:34 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 14:02 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:43 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 16:55 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 17:20 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 18:04 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? JTM <usenetbin@free.fr> - 2012-03-13 09:35 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 16:24 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstufff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:29 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:34 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:22 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-19 09:38 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:56 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-19 12:31 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:33 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 07:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 08:45 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 09:54 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-22 12:03 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 12:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-22 13:33 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-22 16:03 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:29 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-23 10:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:55 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:15 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:25 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Brian Bailey <bbailey@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 17:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> - 2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid> - 2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-12 15:32 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 20:28 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-20 12:24 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-21 18:21 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-22 06:36 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-22 15:43 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-22 17:34 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-21 20:18 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 21:03 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 22:34 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 07:03 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:05 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:13 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:22 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 15:42 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:15 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:36 +0000
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:42 +0100
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:08 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-11 17:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:32 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-11 23:32 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-12 00:49 +0100
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:48 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 06:56 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 08:55 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-15 09:03 +0000
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 19:53 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 21:41 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-18 23:00 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:03 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-15 11:07 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:39 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 12:45 +0000
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 12:45 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 14:20 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0000
                                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-16 18:30 +0000
                                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-17 16:47 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-15 11:28 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Barry Punchard <barry.punchard@btinternet.com> - 2012-03-15 19:05 +0200
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 18:43 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:31 +0000
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 12:16 +0100
                                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 20:59 +0000
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-15 23:45 +0100
                                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-18 20:08 +0100
                                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-19 08:03 +0100
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-03-19 09:41 +0000
                                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? workstuff@mail.com - 2012-03-21 20:26 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-09 01:45 +0100
                          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:19 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 10:58 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:10 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 20:26 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-09 14:44 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Drain <steve@kappa.me.uk> - 2012-03-09 16:27 +0000
                              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Griffin <ajg@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 09:25 +0100
                                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-03-10 16:44 +0000
                            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:53 -0800
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:29 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 00:23 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-09 09:24 +0000
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 14:12 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 15:37 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:48 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 16:36 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 23:05 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 09:52 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 06:04 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-03-08 10:00 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:25 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-03-07 13:27 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> - 2012-03-07 14:07 +0100
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 12:30 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Michael Bell <michael@beaverbell.co.uk> - 2012-03-08 17:54 +0000
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:39 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 01:50 +0100
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-03-07 22:19 +0000
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:37 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 19:47 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? jgharston <jgh@arcade.demon.co.uk> - 2012-03-09 10:56 -0800
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 05:06 +0100
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-03-10 07:37 +0000
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-03-11 11:23 +0000
    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? duncancv@gmail.com - 2012-07-21 14:16 -0700
      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-22 20:41 +0100
        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 06:25 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dev <spam-addy@no.spam.invalid> - 2012-07-23 08:21 +0100
            Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:07 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Alan Dawes <alan.dawes@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 10:47 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 13:18 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-23 19:22 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-07-23 16:45 +0100
                  Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:59 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 08:11 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 09:30 +0000
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-07-29 12:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? spampling <spam.pling@btinternet.com> - 2012-07-29 15:27 +0100
                    Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Derek Haslam <dhaslam@boulsworth.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:19 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-07-30 20:56 +0100
                      Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-07-30 21:25 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-07-30 21:55 +0100
                        Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Rosemary Miskin <miskin@orpheusmail.co.uk> - 2012-07-31 19:08 +0100
              Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-07-23 20:44 +0100
                Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? "David Holden" <SpamBin@apdl.co.uk> - 2012-07-24 06:08 +0000
          Re: Spelling reform on the keyboard? Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-07-28 23:51 +0100

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#4539

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-22 19:28 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.1682016336501475982@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4534

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:39:10 +0000 (GMT), Brian Bailey 
<bbailey@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Japan. There's a coincidence. When I was in the Merchant Navy I 
once had
> shore leave in the port of Yokahama and got myself thoroughly lost, 
then
> tried to ask for directions to get back to back to my ship. Talk 
about
> culture shock!

Talk about a tiny damned world!

I know a guy in the Merchant Navy who got lost in Yokohama, tried to 
ask for directions...

Can't remember if it was the S.S.Canberra or one of the cable layers. 
It was a big boat, a bigger city (not like in Ghibli's latest), 
and... a massive culture shock.

<walks away shaking head in disbelief>

Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4233

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-12 17:08 +0000
Message-ID	<526f6337cesee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4230

In article <526f5ed713Paul@sprie.nl>,
   Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl> wrote:
> In article <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>,
>    <workstuff@mail.com> wrote:

> >  å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine

> Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A).
> Here, watch: å! And again: å.
> Easy, really.

I get æ (ASCII 230), not å (ASCII 229).

Alt+. (full stop) gives me å, but has no effect on the other
vowels.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4238

From	Paul Sprangers <Paul@sprie.nl>
Date	2012-03-12 19:45 +0100
Message-ID	<526f6c1a59Paul@sprie.nl>
In reply to	#4233

In article <526f6337cesee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> > Not at all: Alt-. followed by a (or A).

> I get æ (ASCII 230), not å (ASCII 229).

> Alt+. (full stop) gives me å, but has no effect on the other
> vowels.

That's what I meant to say: Alt together with full stop, followed by A.
Indeed, it hasn't any effect on the other vowels, not because those
combinations do not exist, but because they aren't part of the standard
RISC OS Latin1 fonts.

Kind regards,
Paul Sprangers

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#4239

From	Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date	2012-03-12 20:03 +0100
Message-ID	<19c56d6f52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to	#4228

In message <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>
          workstuff@mail.com wrote:

> In message <abb5c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
>           Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

>> Last time I looked there were quite a few more people around who
>> wanted to type text in languages other than English, and they all have
>> the same problem.
>> 
> Indeed. Whilst my BB works fine with a Norwegian USB keyboard (with the
> exception of the @ symbol which is "Alt-Gr 2" but that is another
> problem all together), and on my Iyonix, æ and ø are just an Alt click
> away å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine. It requires me to
> remember Alt 229 and Alt 197. [...]

Yes, but that is with the UK keyboard driver. You can easily switch to 
Norwegian via
  *keyboard Norway
which gives you all these characters on easily accessible keys, and 
back to UK via
  *keyboard UK
If you put these commands in obey files and pin them to the desktop 
you can switch between keyboard layouts easily.

The above will not work on all versions of RISC OS, but only on those 
that have a multi-language InternationalKeyboardHandler. RISC OS 5 
does, maybe earlier versions, too.

-- 
Martin
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#4241

From	workstuff@mail.com
Date	2012-03-12 21:48 +0100
Message-ID	<1b51776f52.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#4239

In message <19c56d6f52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
          Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:

> In message <167d5c6f52.news@mistymornings.net>
>           workstuff@mail.com wrote:
> 
> > In message <abb5c26c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
> >           Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> 
> >> Last time I looked there were quite a few more people around who
> >> wanted to type text in languages other than English, and they all have
> >> the same problem.
> >> 
> > Indeed. Whilst my BB works fine with a Norwegian USB keyboard (with the
> > exception of the @ symbol which is "Alt-Gr 2" but that is another
> > problem all together), and on my Iyonix, æ and ø are just an Alt click
> > away å is a bit more problematic on a RISC OS machine. It requires me to
> > remember Alt 229 and Alt 197. [...]
> 
> Yes, but that is with the UK keyboard driver. You can easily switch to 
> Norwegian via
>   *keyboard Norway
> which gives you all these characters on easily accessible keys, and 
> back to UK via
>   *keyboard UK
> If you put these commands in obey files and pin them to the desktop 
> you can switch between keyboard layouts easily.
Or AddTinyDir them to the icon bar so they are always easily available.

The only slight issue is that the keys on the keyboard don't change to
reflect the change in layout :) You have to remember the layout. This is
problematic with Norwegian keyboards for a number of reasons. The
brackets are shifted one key to the left for instance and the slash keys
and the <> keys are in completely different places compared to US or UK
keyboards. Not helpful when trying to type html tags, file paths or URLs
in a hurry.

I do use a similar approach with Xubuntu. I have the UK and Norwegian
keyboard layouts defined and can switch between the two easily. I put a
PNG of the Norwegian layout on the desktop that I use for reference when
I am being a bit forgetful. It isn't ideal but a lot better than the
alternatives available under this flavour of linux.
> 
> The above will not work on all versions of RISC OS, but only on those 
> that have a multi-language InternationalKeyboardHandler. RISC OS 5 
> does, maybe earlier versions, too.
> 
I only use an Iyonix or a BB mostly these days. But thanks for the tip.
Cheers Stan

-- 
An Iyonix and a Beagleboard xM in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net

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#4244

From	Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-13 00:32 +0000
Message-ID	<8bdf8b6f52.Kevin@talktalk.net>
In reply to	#4241

In message <1b51776f52.news@mistymornings.net>
          workstuff@mail.com wrote:

>
>> Yes, but that is with the UK keyboard driver. You can easily switch to
>> Norwegian via
>>   *keyboard Norway
>> which gives you all these characters on easily accessible keys, and
>> back to UK via
>>   *keyboard UK
>> If you put these commands in obey files and pin them to the desktop
>> you can switch between keyboard layouts easily.
>Or AddTinyDir them to the icon bar so they are always easily available.
>
>The only slight issue is that the keys on the keyboard don't change to
>reflect the change in layout :) You have to remember the layout. This is
>problematic with Norwegian keyboards for a number of reasons. The
>brackets are shifted one key to the left for instance and the slash keys
>and the <> keys are in completely different places compared to US or UK
>keyboards. Not helpful when trying to type html tags, file paths or URLs
>in a hurry.

If it is a regular thing, would it not be worth having a printout of a
Norwegian keyboard?


-- 
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#4255

From	workstuff@mail.com
Date	2012-03-13 17:28 +0100
Message-ID	<1165e36f52.news@mistymornings.net>
In reply to	#4244

In message <8bdf8b6f52.Kevin@talktalk.net>
          Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> wrote:

> In message <1b51776f52.news@mistymornings.net>
>           workstuff@mail.com wrote:
[snip]
> >The only slight issue is that the keys on the keyboard don't change to
> >reflect the change in layout :) You have to remember the layout. This is
> >problematic with Norwegian keyboards for a number of reasons. The
> >brackets are shifted one key to the left for instance and the slash keys
> >and the <> keys are in completely different places compared to US or UK
> >keyboards. Not helpful when trying to type html tags, file paths or URLs
> >in a hurry.
> 
> If it is a regular thing, would it not be worth having a printout of a
> Norwegian keyboard?
> 
Not very useful when you are sitting in a train/bus with a netbook on
your lap. As I mentioned in another post, I have a png of the Norwegian
layout on the desktop of my netbook. I have configured Xubuntu with
three virtual desktop. I make sure that one of them is always empty of
windows and programs. So it displays the backdrop image of the keyboard
layout. All I need to do is switch momentarily to that desktop to check
the keyboard layout.

Cheers Stan

-- 
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http://mistymornings.net

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#4049

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 23:08 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.6494427015737147221@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4028

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:02:51 +0000 (GMT), Stuart 
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Only to yourself and about a dozen others methinks

What, you only want a newsgroup with articles of interest to *you*?


I would be interested, also, in this IKHG (sp?) utility to tweak the 
standard keyboard driver to support extended characters that I 
actually use. It would be too much to hope for macrons (requires 
Unicode), but some extra symbols and such would be nice.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4056

From	Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-07 23:52 +0000
Message-ID	<526cf50033Spambin@argonet.co.uk>
In reply to	#4049

In article <almarsoft.6494427015737147221@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > Only to yourself and about a dozen others methinks

> What, you only want a newsgroup with articles of interest to *you*?

I was actually suggesting that only he and a few others would be looking
for a keyboard to generate the strange new characters required, to support
their quaint ideas, which haven't got a cat in hell's chance of ever being
adopted.

The fact that other keyboard symbols may be required for countries with
established languages, such as Martin pointed out, is a different matter
altogether.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#4063

From	Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-08 12:53 +0100
Message-ID	<almarsoft.2313042705075684329@news.orange.fr>
In reply to	#4056

On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:52:19 +0000 (GMT), Stuart 
<Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> their quaint ideas, which haven't got a cat in hell's chance of 
ever being
> adopted.

Well, true - it's one thing to devise a language. It is another to 
get anybody to use it. Hands up all who speak Esperanto...

But on the nerdy side, there is the question of custom keyboard 
drivers.

Best wishes,

Rick.

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#4077

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-08 17:17 +0000
Message-ID	<526d54a62dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4063

In article <almarsoft.2313042705075684329@news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Mar 2012 23:52:19 +0000 (GMT), Stuart
> <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> > their quaint ideas, which haven't got a cat in hell's
> > chance of ever being adopted.

> Well, true - it's one thing to devise a language. It is
> another to get anybody to use it. Hands up all who speak
> Esperanto...

> But on the nerdy side, there is the question of custom
> keyboard drivers.

At least RISC OS comes with a standard keyboard driver that
permits comparatively easy production of French and German
characters.

My Windows 7 netbook came with nothing so up to date.

I had to find and download a keyboard driver creator program
from Microsoft, then create a usable keyboard driver.

And of course, it has to use Alt Gr rather than Alt, and I
had to choose from the Microsoft designated keys when
creating the driver.

So I have RISC OS: for ü: Alt+; then u
               Windows: for ü: Alt-Gr+" then u perhps more
intuitive, but uses my hands completely the opposite way
around.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4081

From	Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com>
Date	2012-03-08 19:20 +0100
Message-ID	<f9745a6d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>
In reply to	#4077

In message <526d54a62dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
          Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> At least RISC OS comes with a standard keyboard driver that
> permits comparatively easy production of French and German
> characters.

> My Windows 7 netbook came with nothing so up to date.

That would be a huge surprise. A standard Windows 7 system comes with 
keyboard drivers for pretty much all the languages of the world and 
you can switch between them conveniently using an icon in the system 
tray. You need to enable that feature though. It allows you to choose 
which languages you want on your keyboard driver menu. Far more 
advanced than keyboard driver support in RISC OS, which is not a 
surprise because RISC OS is mostly used by English-speaking users.

-- 
Martin
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Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
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#4082

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-08 19:32 +0000
Message-ID	<526d611273see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4081

In article <f9745a6d52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>, Martin
Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> In message <526d54a62dsee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
>           Russell Hafter News
> <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> > At least RISC OS comes with a standard keyboard driver
> > that permits comparatively easy production of French
> > and German characters.

> > My Windows 7 netbook came with nothing so up to date.

> That would be a huge surprise. A standard Windows 7
> system comes with keyboard drivers for pretty much all
> the languages of the world and you can switch between
> them conveniently using an icon in the system tray. You
> need to enable that feature though. It allows you to
> choose which languages you want on your keyboard driver
> menu. Far more advanced than keyboard driver support in
> RISC OS, which is not a surprise because RISC OS is
> mostly used by English-speaking users.

Oh, sure. There was German German, Swiss German, Austrian
German, even Belgian German.

English English, US English.

But nothing in English that allowed me to type ü or é by any
means other than ALT+ASCII code. I spent a lot of time
looking and googling, believe me, before I downloaded
Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4083

From	"John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-08 20:42 +0100
Message-ID	<526d61f0c5UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>
In reply to	#4082

In article <526d611273see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> But nothing in English that allowed me to type ü or é by any
> means other than ALT+ASCII code.

I use Jonathan Rawle's CustomChar with user-definable character sets as
well as preset country sets.

A useful window containing clickable characters to insert special
characters directly at the cursor.

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#4087

From	Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
Date	2012-03-08 22:27 +0000
Message-ID	<526d7119d3see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
In reply to	#4083

In article <526d61f0c5UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk>,
   John Williams (News) <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <526d611273see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
>    Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
> wrote:

> > But nothing in English that allowed me to type ü or é by
> > any means other than ALT+ASCII code.

> I use Jonathan Rawle's CustomChar with user-definable
> character sets as well as preset country sets.

> A useful window containing clickable characters to insert
> special characters directly at the cursor.

That obviously suits you, but having to stop typing and grab
the mouse to insert characters on a frequent basis is not
for me.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#4209

From	Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk>
Date	2012-03-11 10:24 +0000
Message-ID	<526eba5b18tim@invalid.org.uk>
In reply to	#4087

In article <526d7119d3see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>, Russell Hafter
News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

[Snip]

> That obviously suits you, but having to stop typing and grab the mouse
> to insert characters on a frequent basis is not for me.

This is EXACTLY the sort of thing that user-programmable function keys
would be useful for IF so many developers didn't prevent their use in
programs!!!

As a very simple example, I have f9 programmed at boot with |U which is
handy for clearing /some/ writable icons (e.g. in the filer)  but I'm
'not allowed' to do that in some programs /even when f9 isn't being used
for something else/!!!

-- 
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* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

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#4217

From	Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-12 12:12 +0000
Message-ID	<6f17486f52.jim@nails.abbeypress.net>
In reply to	#4209

Tim Hill  wrote on 11 Mar:
> As a very simple example, I have f9 programmed at boot with |U which is
> handy for clearing /some/ writable icons (e.g. in the filer)  but I'm
> 'not allowed' to do that in some programs /even when f9 isn't being used
> for something else/!!!

Why don't you just use Ctrl-U?  Why do you need to program Ctrl-U onto 
F9?

-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk

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#4218

From	John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
Date	2012-03-12 12:48 +0000
Message-ID	<mpro.m0rvky0006r24044g.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
In reply to	#4217

Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Tim Hill  wrote on 11 Mar:
> > As a very simple example, I have f9 programmed at boot with |U which is
> > handy for clearing /some/ writable icons (e.g. in the filer)  but I'm
> > 'not allowed' to do that in some programs /even when f9 isn't being used
> > for something else/!!!
> 
> Why don't you just use Ctrl-U?  Why do you need to program Ctrl-U onto F9?
> 
In my case it would be because I can't span Ctrl and U with one hand.

John

-- 
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home

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#4220

From	"Barry Allen (news)" <evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid>
Date	2012-03-12 13:07 +0000
Message-ID	<526f4d30b5evanallen@onetel.net.uk.invalid>
In reply to	#4218

In article <mpro.m0rvky0006r24044g.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>, John
Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:
> Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> > Why don't you just use Ctrl-U?  Why do you need to program Ctrl-U
> > onto F9?
> > 
> In my case it would be because I can't span Ctrl and U with one hand.

I've bought myself a diddy little keyboard, mainly to reduce the sprawl
on my desk. This diddy keyboard allows my diddy hands to span 'Ctrl &
U', using my little finger and index finger.

Its a ZIPPY keyboard, more info here.

http://www.zippy.com.tw/K_product_detail.asp?lv_rfnbr=2&pk_rfnbr=103&pck_rfnbr=1&pk_code=EL-610

-- 
Barry A.
To reply by email:- barry d o t allen a t talktalk d o t net
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#4227

From	Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk>
Date	2012-03-12 15:41 +0000
Message-ID	<63425b6f52.Kevin@talktalk.net>
In reply to	#4218

In message <mpro.m0rvky0006r24044g.lists@thesandfords.me.uk>
          John Sandford <lists@thesandfords.me.uk> wrote:

>Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Tim Hill  wrote on 11 Mar:
>> > As a very simple example, I have f9 programmed at boot with |U which is
>> > handy for clearing /some/ writable icons (e.g. in the filer)  but I'm
>> > 'not allowed' to do that in some programs /even when f9 isn't being used
>> > for something else/!!!
>>
>> Why don't you just use Ctrl-U?  Why do you need to program Ctrl-U onto F9?
>>
>In my case it would be because I can't span Ctrl and U with one hand.
>
>John

Form Filler by me has a Delete Icon button that does a Ctrl-U

<http://riscos.kevsoft.co.uk/news/?cat=15>
>


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