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  tardy mailing list John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 19:05 +0000
    Re: tardy mailing list Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-04 19:29 +0000
      Re: tardy mailing list Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-04 20:19 +0000
      Re: tardy mailing list John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 21:05 +0000
    Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 20:22 +0000
      Re: tardy mailing list John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 21:51 +0000
        Re: tardy mailing list Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-04 22:44 +0000
          Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 23:24 +0000
            Re: tardy mailing list Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-05 00:19 +0000
              Re: tardy mailing list David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 07:32 +0000
                Re: tardy mailing list David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 09:46 +0000
                  Re: tardy mailing list Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-05 11:08 +0000
                    Re: tardy mailing list Frank de Bruijn <zuiderduin@hotmail.com> - 2012-03-06 08:59 +0100
                    Re: tardy mailing list Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 19:57 +0000
                      Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 20:48 +0000
              Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 10:22 +0000
        Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-04 23:12 +0000
          Re: tardy mailing list John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 14:01 +0000
            Re: tardy mailing list David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 14:51 +0000
              Re: tardy mailing list John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-03-05 16:47 +0000
            Re: tardy mailing list Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-05 14:19 +0000
              Re: tardy mailing list Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-03-05 18:34 +0000
          Re: tardy mailing list Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-03-06 20:00 +0000
            Re: tardy mailing list Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> - 2012-03-06 20:56 +0000

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#3929 — tardy mailing list

anyone know if there is a problem with freelists.org?

I posted to artworks@freelists.org some 24 hours ago and it has not 
appeared in my reader.

-- 
John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/

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#3930

On 4 Mar, John Rickman Iyonix wrote in message
    <05314f6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>:

> anyone know if there is a problem with freelists.org?
> 
> I posted to artworks@freelists.org some 24 hours ago and it has not
> appeared in my reader.

This one?

http://www.freelists.org/post/artworks/problem-with-printing-and-transparency

It's already been answered, so the problem is likely to be between Freelists
and your incoming email feed.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3932

In article <mpro.m0dktp01ddh7401ce.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 4 Mar, John Rickman Iyonix wrote in message
>     <05314f6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>:

> > anyone know if there is a problem with freelists.org?
> > 
> > I posted to artworks@freelists.org some 24 hours ago and it has not
> > appeared in my reader.

> This one?

> http://www.freelists.org/post/artworks/problem-with-printing-and-transparency

> It's already been answered, so the problem is likely to be between
> Freelists and your incoming email feed.

That's interesting - I haven't seen anything in the ArtWorks list for
weeks or even months. Better do some checking. The Pilling list on
Freelist seems fine.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#3934

In message <mpro.m0dktp01ddh7401ce.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
          Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> This one?

> http://www.freelists.org/post/artworks/problem-with-printing-and-transparency

> It's already been answered, so the problem is likely to be between Freelists
> and your incoming email feed.

Yes! thanks Steve. I will investigate.

John

-- 
John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/

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#3931

In article <05314f6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
   John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> anyone know if there is a problem with freelists.org?

> I posted to artworks@freelists.org some 24 hours ago and it has not 
> appeared in my reader.

I've had delays receiving messages from the Iyonix Support list which
is also hosted by FreeLists. One message I sent stalled between
FreeLists and Plusnet (as shown in the headers) for more than 16
hours.

It's unpredictable. For example, your message to the ArtWorks list
appeared on the Plusnet mail server in less than three minutes.

The common factor appears to be FreeLists.

Evan.

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#3935

 Evan Clark <news@ejclark.force9.co.uk> wrote:

>    John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>> anyone know if there is a problem with freelists.org?

> I've had delays receiving messages from the Iyonix Support list which
> is also hosted by FreeLists. .....

Iyonix list appears to be working

> It's unpredictable. For example, your message to the ArtWorks list
> appeared on the Plusnet mail server in less than three minutes.
> The common factor appears to be FreeLists.

I have posted to the artworks list again but it has not shown up in my 
reader.
Nothing has appeared on my PS3 or AOL lists for a long time.

I am not sure how to proceed. Freelist accepts my posts and other 
people see them. It reports my status as "ECHOPOST".

Is it possible that my service provider is blocking them as spam?

John

-- 
John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/

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#3937

In article <ef765e6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
   John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Is it possible that my service provider is blocking them as spam?

I see you are using Orpheus. The Archive-on-line mail list has been
losing posts if you are a plusnet customer because the plusnet spam
filter objects to the orpheus mail servers. I wonder if this is a
more general problem.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#3939

In article <526b6352c6chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>,
   Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <ef765e6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
>    John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> > Is it possible that my service provider is blocking them as spam?

> I see you are using Orpheus. The Archive-on-line mail list has been
> losing posts if you are a plusnet customer because the plusnet spam
> filter objects to the orpheus mail servers. I wonder if this is a
> more general problem.

It happens even when Orpheus isn't involved.

On 2nd March I saw a post to the Iyonix Support list from another
Plusnet user delayed by about seven and a half hours. That's Plusnet
-> FreeLists -> Plusnet (Force9). The headers showed the post was
held up at FreeLists.

Evan.

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#3941

On 4 Mar, Evan Clark wrote in message
    <526b66e8c2news@ejclark.force9.co.uk>:

> In article <526b6352c6chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>,
>    Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> > I see you are using Orpheus. The Archive-on-line mail list has been
> > losing posts if you are a plusnet customer because the plusnet spam
> > filter objects to the orpheus mail servers. I wonder if this is a more
> > general problem.
> 
> It happens even when Orpheus isn't involved.
> 
> On 2nd March I saw a post to the Iyonix Support list from another Plusnet
> user delayed by about seven and a half hours. That's Plusnet -> FreeLists
> -> Plusnet (Force9). The headers showed the post was held up at FreeLists.

Yes, but if PlusNet are holding mail off because they think it's potentially
spam, that exactly what the headers *will* show: a delay at the previous
point in the delivery route.

This is quite a common spam-filtering technique known as "Greylisting":
refuse the first delivery attempt and wait for the sender to try again. 
Spammers generally don't, while other systems usually hold off for varying
periods to allow any possible network issues to be resolved before
re-sending.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3942

In message <mpro.m0dy8r0g3i9o001wx.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>
  Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

> On 4 Mar, Evan Clark wrote in message
>     <526b66e8c2news@ejclark.force9.co.uk>:

[snip]

>> On 2nd March I saw a post to the Iyonix Support list from another Plusnet
>> user delayed by about seven and a half hours. That's Plusnet -> FreeLists
>> -> Plusnet (Force9). The headers showed the post was held up at FreeLists.

> Yes, but if PlusNet are holding mail off because they think it's potentially
> spam, that exactly what the headers *will* show: a delay at the previous
> point in the delivery route.

I have seen significant delays recently with FreeLists posts and I use 
PlusNet. FreeLists do offer a 'Recent Posts' page and RSS feeds which 
can be used to show if posts are being delayed.

If PlusNet's Cloudmark anti-spam is the problem, and I am not (yet) 
persuaded that it is but I have done it anyway, then white-listing 
should help.


-- 
David Pitt

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#3944

[snip]

Below is part of the header from an Iyonix list post delayed some 
50mins. It does not mean too much to me!

Delivery-date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:52 +0000

Received: from [212.159.8.109] (helo=avasin11.plus.net)
       by inmx17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 
     1S4U8v-0001aM-BJ
       for pittdj@pittdj.co.uk; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:49 +0000

Received: from turing.freelists.org ([206.53.239.180])
     by avasin11.plus.net with Plusnet Cloudmark Gateway
     id hlPh1i00E3uDbVJ01lPkTB; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:45 +0000

Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
     by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
     with ESMTP id E4530EA00DB;
     Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:26 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain

Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1])
     by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) 
     (amavisd-new, port 10024)
     with ESMTP id yKmQ5mOsukM9; Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:26 -0500 
     (EST)

Received: from turing.freelists.org (localhost [127.0.0.1])
     by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
     with ESMTP id C2E1DE9E0C6;
     Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:11 -0500 (EST)

Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list iyonix-support); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 
03:35:11 -0500 (EST)

Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
     by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
     with ESMTP id 9475AEA00BA
     for <iyonix-support@freelists.org>; Mon,  5 Mar 2012 
     03:35:11 -0500 (EST)
X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain

Received: from turing.freelists.org ([127.0.0.1])
     by localhost (turing.freelists.org [127.0.0.1]) 
     (amavisd-new, port 10024)
     with ESMTP id NChWnwZxpfN2 for 
     <iyonix-support@freelists.org>;
     Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:11 -0500 (EST)

Received: from avasout03.plus.net (avasout03.plus.net [84.93.230.244])
     by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
     with ESMTP id 1E23AE9E0C6
     for <iyonix-support@freelists.org>; Mon,  5 Mar 2012 
     03:35:10 -0500 (EST)

Received: from [172.17.76.245] ([82.108.130.2])
     by avasout03 with smtp
     id hkb91i00603EuxN01kbAPo; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:35:10 +0000

Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 08:35:09 +0000





-- 
David Pitt

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#3947

In article <c6df9f6b52.pittdj+@iyonix.home>,
   David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Received: from turing.freelists.org ([206.53.239.180])
>      by avasin11.plus.net with Plusnet Cloudmark Gateway
>      id hlPh1i00E3uDbVJ01lPkTB; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:45 +0000

> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>      by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
>      with ESMTP id E4530EA00DB;
>      Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:26 -0500 (EST)
> X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain

Looks like the holdup is at freelists. Allowing for the time zone
difference it is about 50 mins.

-- 
Chris Johnson

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#3976

In article <526ba76e8dchrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>,
   Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> wrote:
> In article <c6df9f6b52.pittdj+@iyonix.home>,
>    David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > Received: from turing.freelists.org ([206.53.239.180])
> >      by avasin11.plus.net with Plusnet Cloudmark Gateway
> >      id hlPh1i00E3uDbVJ01lPkTB; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:45 +0000

> > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> >      by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
> >      with ESMTP id E4530EA00DB;
> >      Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:26 -0500 (EST)
> > X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain

> Looks like the holdup is at freelists. Allowing for the time zone
> difference it is about 50 mins.

To me it looks more like Plusnet is greylisting mail from FreeLists.

Regards,
Frank

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#3998

On 5 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote in message
    <526ba76e8dchrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>:

> In article <c6df9f6b52.pittdj+@iyonix.home>,
>    David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> > Received: from turing.freelists.org ([206.53.239.180])
> >      by avasin11.plus.net with Plusnet Cloudmark Gateway
> >      id hlPh1i00E3uDbVJ01lPkTB; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 09:23:45 +0000
> 
> > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> >      by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) 
> >      with ESMTP id E4530EA00DB;
> >      Mon,  5 Mar 2012 03:35:26 -0500 (EST)
> > X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at localhost.localdomain
> 
> Looks like the holdup is at freelists.

No, it looks as if the holdup is sending the mail from Freelists to Plusnet.
 Greylisting at Plusnet still looks like a definite possibility.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#4000

In article <mpro.m0hbf8054nl9s01c3.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 5 Mar, Chris Johnson wrote in message
>     <526ba76e8dchrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net>:

> > Looks like the holdup is at freelists.

> No, it looks as if the holdup is sending the mail from Freelists to
>  Plusnet. Greylisting at Plusnet still looks like a definite
>  possibility.

It's a pity that it doesn't show explicitly by indicating the
greylisting in the headers. Googling for 'email' 'greylist' 'headers'
suggests that some systems do that.

I've whitelisted the domain @freelists.org in my email settings with
Plusnet, but it's too soon to tell if that will solve the problem.

Evan.

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#3946

In article <mpro.m0dy8r0g3i9o001wx.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve
Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> Yes, but if PlusNet are holding mail off because they think it's
> potentially spam, that exactly what the headers *will* show: a
> delay at the previous point in the delivery route.

> This is quite a common spam-filtering technique known as
> "Greylisting": refuse the first delivery attempt and wait for the
> sender to try again. Spammers generally don't, while other systems
> usually hold off for varying periods to allow any possible network
> issues to be resolved before re-sending.

However, that wouldn't explain why John doesn't see his own posts,
where Plusnet isn't involved.

Evan.

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#3938

In article <ef765e6b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>, John Rickman
Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> I have posted to the artworks list again but it has not shown up in
> my reader. Nothing has appeared on my PS3 or AOL lists for a long
> time.

I saw that one after a delay of about 28 minutes as this snippet from
the headers shows:

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Received: from turing.freelists.org ([206.53.239.180])
	by avasin12.plus.net with Plusnet Cloudmark Gateway
	id ha4Y1i0023uDbVJ01a4eWB; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 22:04:43 +0000
-
-
-
-
-
-
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
	by turing.freelists.org (Avenir Technologies Mail Multiplex) with
ESMTP id 8B1BAE9FB82;
	Sun,  4 Mar 2012 16:36:22 -0500 (EST)
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Again, it seems that the delay is down to FreeLists.


> I am not sure how to proceed. Freelist accepts my posts and other
> people see them. It reports my status as "ECHOPOST".

I get the same status report. So far, every message has eventually
arrived here in spite of some being delayed.

> Is it possible that my service provider is blocking them as spam?

That could be, if you're not receiving them at all. I think the only
way to find out would be to take it up with their technical support.

Evan.

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#3950

> Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>> I have posted to the artworks list again but it has not shown up in
>> my reader. Nothing has appeared on my PS3 or AOL lists for a long
>> time.

Evan Clark wrote:
> I saw that one after a delay of about 28 minutes as this snippet from
> the headers shows:....................

A post from Nick k has come into the ArtWorks list this morning, but 
no sign of any earlier posts.

John


-- 
John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/

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#3954

In message <4c39b76b52.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
  John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>> Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

>>> I have posted to the artworks list again but it has not shown up in
>>> my reader. Nothing has appeared on my PS3 or AOL lists for a long
>>> time.

> Evan Clark wrote:
>> I saw that one after a delay of about 28 minutes as this snippet from
>> the headers shows:....................

> A post from Nick k has come into the ArtWorks list this morning, but
> no sign of any earlier posts.

These show what should have been received.

http://www.freelists.org/archive/artworks/

http://www.freelists.org/archive/riscos-ps/



-- 
David Pitt

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#3961

David Pitt wrote:
> These show what should have been received.

> http://www.freelists.org/archive/artworks/

> http://www.freelists.org/archive/riscos-ps/

Thanks David I have added them to my lynx web page

john
-- 
John Rickman - http://mug.riscos.org/

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