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  Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2011-12-23 23:32 +0000
    Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-24 06:31 +0100
      Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2011-12-24 17:15 +0000
        Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-24 20:53 +0100
          Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2011-12-26 16:02 +0000
            Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 01:32 +0100
              Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2011-12-31 00:35 +0000
                Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-31 05:45 +0100
                  Re: Smartphone druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2011-12-31 11:01 +0000
                    Re: Smartphone Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-31 18:01 +0000
                      Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-01 06:44 +0100
                      Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-03 21:20 +0000
                        Re: Smartphone cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid - 2012-01-04 09:44 +0000
                          Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-06 14:44 +0000
                  Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-03 21:38 +0000
                    Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 14:23 +0100
                      Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-07 14:57 +0000
                        Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-08 17:34 +0100
                          Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-09 20:02 +0100
                            Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-10 17:40 +0000
                              Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-12 16:23 +0000
                            Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2012-01-12 16:11 +0000
        Re: Smartphone Matthew Phillips <spam2011m@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 21:08 +0000
          Re: Smartphone "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-12-31 00:14 +0100
          Re: Smartphone Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> - 2011-12-31 00:56 +0000
            Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-31 06:48 +0100
          Re: Smartphone Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-12-31 18:01 +0000
            Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-06 08:07 +0100
              Re: Smartphone Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-08 12:02 +0000
                Re: Smartphone Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-08 14:16 +0000
                  Re: Smartphone Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-08 16:12 +0000
                    Re: Smartphone Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-08 16:59 +0000
                      Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-08 18:19 +0100
                      Re: Smartphone Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-08 18:00 +0000
                    Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-08 18:17 +0100
                  Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-08 17:39 +0100
              Re: Smartphone Theo Markettos <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2012-01-08 20:13 +0000
                Re: Smartphone druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2012-01-08 21:22 +0000
              Re: Smartphone Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-10 20:17 +0100

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#3105 — Smartphone

Hi Folks,

Posting this on Archive on Line, Live Tech & comp.sys.acorn.misc in order to
garner as much assistance as possible from the wonderfully helpful people out
there (grovel, fawn).

I have recently dragged myself into the 21st century & acquired an Android
smartphone. The specs say it has Android 2.3 Gingerbread.

Hopefully, I can use it in place of my Acorn Pocket Book II (which connected
nicely to my RiscOS machine). Then I need only carry one device around with
me.

I think I've located an Android text editor called Jota into which I can
import the documents from the "Write" word processor.

However, I'm having some difficulty finding a database. I have several files
in the "Cards" database on the Pocket Book & would like to export them to the
smartphone.

I can hopefully export diary info from "Organizer" on my RiscPC as iCal files.

Any thoughts, experiences etc gratefully received.


Bah! Humbug! / Merry Christmas  (Delete as applicable)

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3109

On 24/12/2011 00:32, Chris Newman wrote:

> I have recently dragged myself into the 21st century&  acquired an Android
> smartphone.

Cool.


> The specs say it has Android 2.3 Gingerbread.

Not the latest, but good. [mine's stuck on 2.1 - thanks Motorola/Orange!]


> Hopefully, I can use it in place of my Acorn Pocket Book II (which connected
> nicely to my RiscOS machine).

As far as I'm aware, probably not. I guess it depends on whether you 
have a physical keyboard (in which case, possibly) or a touch swype 
keyboard (in which case, it'll be painful).

Let's see now, I had exactly the same thought, given my little eeePC has 
no serial port and hence won't talk to the PocketBook.

Text editor? You can find them. Several get unstable with big files. I 
like "TextEdit". But it is akin to Notepad, really. Nothing like PB's 
Word application. There exists better software (like MS-WORD compatible 
stuff), but it'll cost you.

Database? Still looking for one that is free and competent.

Spreadsheet. Ditto above.

Calendar. Don't have much experience with the stock calendar, but many 
people say it sucks.


BEWARE: Android is a new experience for us who aren't sheep. We aren't 
used to the idea of applications dictating their requirements. As such, 
read application permissions CAREFULLY. Without "rooting your phone" 
(hacking into it, in other words), permissions are take or leave. You 
can't alter them. Pay attention to the little "More" button, as Google 
tends to hide some stuff down there, like "Discover all known accounts". 
And you can ask yourself why the hell a video player app with internet 
access wants *that* permission. Given the ecosystem, I would suggest if 
in doubt, do NOT install.
Oh, and pretty much everything and its donkey has embedded advertising. 
And yes, due to Android's lackadaisical approach to security, you can 
bet your ass that the advert server knows your phone ID, the adverts 
you've seen, and in what app you've seen them in. Oh, and not only does 
Google want to sync your addressbook (you can turn this off), but your 
mobile provider (stuff like Motoblur) will also want to auto-sync 
everything (and this often cannot be turned off).

If you have a limited number of megabytes data access, beware the "Data 
Saver", for it will happily disable syncing and RSS feed updates, but 
will do nothing to stop the email client trying to fetch a 10Mb 
attachment...useful.

[maybe some of this has been fixed in 2.3? I won't hold my breath...]


> Then I need only carry one device around with me.

What model is it?

Mine's a Motorola DEFY (first version). Lovely hardware, shame it's 
running Motoblur. ;-)


> I think I've located an Android text editor called Jota into which I can
> import the documents from the "Write" word processor.

Jota (said i-ota, apparently) is not bad, it is updated frequently. It 
is capable of opening binaries (looks mostly rubbish, as you'd expect) 
but you can sometimes pick out text in the file header. It also copes 
with large files (just opened a 20Mb .3gp) without freezing or crashing. 
You'd be surprised how much stuff flakes with over around 40-50K of content.


> However, I'm having some difficulty finding a database.

Ditto.

If anybody has ideas, please post publically, I'm looking too!


> I have several files in the "Cards" database on the Pocket Book&
> would like to export them to the smartphone.

I exported some of mine as text. Not a good approach, but there are 
'issues' with getting the browser to access local HTML files.


> Any thoughts, experiences etc gratefully received.

I'm just investigating, having been prompted to look again by your post, 
a package called "OliveOffice Premium" (it is free; and on the market). 
You can read files (.DOC, .PPT, .XLS, .PDF, .CHM), sync/access Google 
Docs and Dropbox, plus create MS-WORD, EXCEL, and POWERPOINT files. No 
database, sadly. Still, looks like it might have potential!


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3112

In article <4ef563c8$0$2522$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/12/2011 00:32, Chris Newman wrote:

> > I have recently dragged myself into the 21st century&  acquired an Android
> > smartphone.
> Cool.
> > The specs say it has Android 2.3 Gingerbread.
> Not the latest, but good. [mine's stuck on 2.1 - thanks Motorola/Orange!]
> > Hopefully, I can use it in place of my Acorn Pocket Book II 
> > (which connected nicely to my RiscOS machine).
I'm hoping my Windows machine will see the micro SD card as a mass storage
device.
> As far as I'm aware, probably not. I guess it depends on whether you 
> have a physical keyboard 

That's OK. I'm now used to the on-screen type

> Let's see now, I had exactly the same thought, given my little eeePC has 
> no serial port and hence won't talk to the PocketBook.

My new phone is a San francisco II. Available from Orange only. Bought it
outright SIM free for £89. Brilliant phone for the price. There is a nice
little man in our local market who unlocks phones for a tenner. (I believe
you can find the necessary codes on-line & do it yourself but I'm a little
nervous of messing things up). Then I can use it abroad with a different SIM
card.

> Text editor? You can find them.  There exists better software (like MS-WORD > compatible stuff), but it'll cost you.

Yep! Discovered that but I think a simple text editor will do.

> Database? Still looking for one that is free and competent.

> Spreadsheet. Ditto above.

> Calendar. Don't have much experience with the stock calendar, but many 
> people say it sucks.

> If you have a limited number of megabytes data access, beware the "Data 
> Saver", for it will happily disable syncing and RSS feed updates, but 
> will do nothing to stop the email client trying to fetch a 10Mb 
> attachment...useful.

I've discovered I can use its Wi-Fi to connect to my own router when at home
so I can get apps that way with no download cost.

<Big snip>

> > I have several files in the "Cards" database on the Pocket Book&
> > would like to export them to the smartphone.

> I exported some of mine as text. Not a good approach, but there are 
> 'issues' with getting the browser to access local HTML files.

Yes, I thought about that. If the text editor I choose has a decent search
facility (Like StrongEd's) that will do me.

Thanks for replying.

Bah! Humbug! / Merry Christmas  (Delete as applicable)

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3113

On 24/12/2011 18:15, Chris Newman wrote:

> I'm hoping my Windows machine will see the micro SD card as a mass storage
> device.

It should, but it might not at first. Once you plug in a USB device, you 
should have a USB icon in the bar along the top of the phone's display. 
If you drag down to expand this bar, you'll see it says something like 
"touch to configure". You can set it to be a portal, a USB device, 
something (I forget, don't use it), or to Charge Only. Choose USB device 
and then it'll Just Work.

Well, not entirely. It tends to lose the playlist and some other stuff 
on the SD card when unplugged from the computer (might be some weird 
caching issue? could be a bug in the Android used on my phone?). 
Unfortunately it needs a reboot to cure this, which it why I use the FTP 
server on "File Expert" for most of the smaller stuff I need to get to. 
It manages 250K/sec over a WiFi link, so not bad.


> That's OK. I'm now used to the on-screen type

I don't know if you have Swype. It's pretty cool except for always 
learning words and no easily editable dictionary - hence it learns typos 
as well as new words. :-/


> Bought it outright SIM free for £89. Brilliant phone for the price.

?? Android, SIM free, for £89? Whoa.


> There is a nice little man in our local market who unlocks phones for a
> tenner.

;-) In France, you have the *right* to get your unlock codes after six 
months of use. I tried Orange's website but it told me my IMEI number 
wasn't recognised, so I'll have to battle with customer service. Of 
course, considering that Orange's website usually causes NoScript to wet 
itself while considering how to warn me of all the stuff that's wrong 
(epic XSS clickjacking), not to mention most of the SSL certs throwing 
up warnings, not to mention that's if the deeper more useful stuff is 
even working and not giving obscure error messages about database 
interlocks or "freshed undone" [*], I'm not the slightest bit surprised 
by any of this.

* - I can only imagine that it is some sort of translation from another
     language that got bounced through Google Translate. No idea what it
     actually means... update failed?


> Then I can use it abroad with a different SIM card.

It's a tri-band phone, yes? Dual band ones won't reliably work. I 
brought my old British phone with me ages ago. Orange FR would give me 
access on an Orange UK pay-as-you-go, but only up around Caen. Down our 
way, I could only pick up Boyguese (or however you spell it) because it 
was only a dual-band phone.


> I've discovered I can use its Wi-Fi to connect to my own router when at home
> so I can get apps that way with no download cost.

Here's another useful tip. If you want to use it like a mini-tablet; you 
can disable mobile comms.

Switch the phone to airplane mode (all comms off). Then switch on WiFi. 
Separately. Alone. ;-)

I have a toolbar "widget" that sits on a menu screen and lets me turn 
the various things (bluetooth, gps, etc) on and off.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3128

> On 24/12/2011 18:15, Chris Newman wrote:

> > I'm hoping my Windows machine will see the micro SD card as a mass storage
> > device.

> It should, but it might not at first. Once you plug in a USB device, you 
> should have a USB icon in the bar along the top of the phone's display. 
> If you drag down to expand this bar, you'll see it says something like 
> "touch to configure". You can set it to be a portal, a USB device, 
> something (I forget, don't use it), or to Charge Only. Choose USB device 
> and then it'll Just Work.

Bit different in 2.3 Gingerbread. My PC wanted to go through the Windows
connect device set up routine but it didn't really need that. I appeared
appeared as a drive letter & I could get into the files. Not quite clear if
the files are in the phones storage or the separate mini SD card. However my
Computer Active magazine guide to smartphones tells me there is an app called
Root Explorer... quote "One of the major features missing from Android
devices is a file system.Root Explorer rectifies this and is the most
comprehensive file system app we've seen". File Management section £2.40.
There is a bit more about it at www.snipca.com/X3461. Still not sure if it
will do what I want.

> > Bought it outright SIM free for £89. Brilliant phone for the price.

> ?? Android, SIM free, for £89? Whoa.

Also a Monte Carlo which is bigger & better for about £100. Again, only from
Orange though.

> > I've discovered I can use its Wi-Fi to connect to my own router when at > > > home so I can get apps that way with no download cost.

> Here's another useful tip. If you want to use it like a mini-tablet; you 
> can disable mobile comms.

> Switch the phone to airplane mode (all comms off). Then switch on WiFi. 
> Separately. Alone. ;-)

On this model, if you go into Airplane mode, the Wi-Fi won't turn on.

I found the phone's MAC address through Settings -> About phone -> Status ->
WiFi MAC address. Put that into my router's MAC exception list but still
can't connect to my router. phone says "Obtaining IP address fro..my network"
then after a while reports "unsuccessful". Hey. Ho!!!!

> I have a toolbar "widget" that sits on a menu screen and lets me turn 
> the various things (bluetooth, gps, etc) on and off.

I found "Widgets" before but can't work out how I got to that screen. More
investigation needed.

Thanks for ideas so far.

Bah! Humbug! / Merry Christmas  (Delete as applicable)

-- 
Chris Newman

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3131

On 26/12/2011 17:02, Chris Newman wrote:

> I appeared appeared as a drive letter&  I could get into the files.

Ah, it was appearing as a USB storage device.


> Not quite clear if the files are in the phones storage or the separate
> mini SD card.

SD card. There is stuff on the internal flash, but you - as a user - 
cannot access most of it.


> However my Computer Active magazine guide to smartphones tells me there
> is an app called Root Explorer... quote "One of the major features missing
> from Android devices is a file system.

? That's an actual *quote*? Android devices *have* a file system, it's 
the regular Unix-like one with the SD mounted as, surprise, /sdcard. :-)


> Root Explorer rectifies this and is the most comprehensive file system
> app we've seen". File Management section £2.40.

Try File Expert. It's free. It offers... OMG. A lot of stuff. Access to 
files, WiFi/Bluetooth file sharing, FTP/HTTP file server, SMB stuff, and 
loads more stuff I've not needed/looked at.
   https://market.android.com/details?id=xcxin.fileexpert
   [or look for File Expert on the market for direct download into phone]


> There is a bit more about it at www.snipca.com/X3461. Still not sure if it
> will do what I want.

I'd be careful of anything that says "Root" in the name. It may work 
perfectly well, but it seems to me that most things that say Root work 
best on a "rooted" phone (and some don't want to know about a non-root 
phone). Me? I see my phone as a utility so I've not bothered to root it.

My phone came with a built-in file utility - QuickOffice File Manager. 
It's pretty pathetic. File Expert is so far ahead in features. And, 
given I have the thing on WiFi at home, the FTP server (when switched 
on) means I can access 192.168.1.12:888 via the main computer for 
picking up small files without the hassle of plugging in WiFi. [it runs 
around 200K/sec so is fine for images and documents, but avi files are 
best with direct connection!]


> On this model, if you go into Airplane mode, the Wi-Fi won't turn on.

WAH! :-(


> Put that into my router's MAC exception list but still can't
> connect to my router. phone says "Obtaining IP address fro..my
> network" then after a while reports "unsuccessful". Hey. Ho!!!!

I would, *temporarily*, disable MAC filtering [*] and encryption and see 
if you can connect. If you can connect, switch encryption back on, then 
try again.
Did you enter your password correctly? Mine (Orange Livebox) is a long 
(something like 26 character) sequence of hex digits. Took me two tries 
to get it right on the phone. ;-) Anyway, it connected okay.

Oh, hang on. Check your manual. I had to press a button on the Livebox 
to allow a new WiFi device to connect. Perhaps your router has something 
similar?


* - It would appear that MAC filtering is mostly a false sense of
     security. I don't bother with it myself, as a long WPA2/AES password
     and the Livebox ignoring WiFi accesses unless told it's okay, ought
     to provide a reasonable level of protection.


> I found "Widgets" before but can't work out how I got to that screen. More
> investigation needed.

Move to a clear space on one of the home screens and then long-press on 
the clear space. You'll be prompted to install widgets, shortcuts, 
folders, or set up wallpapers.


Shame I can't fire up RedSquirrel or such on this thing. ;-) There is 
apparently a BBC emulator, but it isn't on the market. Thing is, the 
emulators work best with a phone that has a real keyboard. The pop-up 
on-screen types are not so good; hence the trick of running Windows 3.1 
on DOSbox (yes, really - Google it!) might not work on my phone... Oh 
well. I'm looking for a new phone mid-January when I renew my contract. 
I'm not sure what sort of phone to get. I'd like one that can manage 
720p video playback natively.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3167

In article <4ef91238$0$2528$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 26/12/2011 17:02, Chris Newman wrote:

> > I appeared appeared as a drive letter&  I could get into the files.

> Ah, it was appearing as a USB storage device.

Yep
> > Not quite clear if the files are in the phones storage or the separate
> > mini SD card.

> SD card. There is stuff on the internal flash, but you - as a user - 
> cannot access most of it.
Strangely, SD card reports Total space 1.81 GB  Available space 1.81 GB
although on it there are 4 folders with files in so they must be very snall
or somewhere else. Internal phone storage reports Available space 142 MB but
no reference to Total space

> Try File Expert. It's free. It offers... OMG. A lot of stuff. Access to 
> files, WiFi/Bluetooth file sharing, FTP/HTTP file server, SMB stuff, and 
> loads more stuff I've not needed/looked at.
>    https://market.android.com/details?id=xcxin.fileexpert
>    [or look for File Expert on the market for direct download into phone]

Looks good. I've found the documents folder on the SD card & put my documents
in it so maybe I don't need a file manager. I'll review the situation again
later.




> > Put that into my router's MAC exception list but still can't
> > connect to my router. phone says "Obtaining IP address fro..my
> > network" then after a while reports "unsuccessful". Hey. Ho!!!!

> I would, *temporarily*, disable MAC filtering [*] and encryption and see 
> if you can connect. If you can connect, switch encryption back on, then 
> try again.

Did that. No joy.

> Did you enter your password correctly? Mine (Orange Livebox) is a long 
> (something like 26 character) sequence of hex digits. Took me two tries 
> to get it right on the phone. ;-) Anyway, it connected okay.


Checked that

> Oh, hang on. Check your manual. I had to press a button on the Livebox 
> to allow a new WiFi device to connect. Perhaps your router has something 
> similar?

Nothing like that here.

Just sorted it out. Changed the settings in the phone WiFi menu from auto to
my type of security & SCII type input etc & it worked.

> > I found "Widgets" before but can't work out how I got to that screen. More
> > investigation needed.

> Move to a clear space on one of the home screens and then long-press on 
> the clear space. You'll be prompted to install widgets, shortcuts, 
> folders, or set up wallpapers.

Thanks for that. Got 'em now.


> Shame I can't fire up RedSquirrel or such on this thing. ;-) There is 
> apparently a BBC emulator, but it isn't on the market. Thing is, the 
> emulators work best with a phone that has a real keyboard. The pop-up 
> on-screen types are not so good; hence the trick of running Windows 3.1 
> on DOSbox (yes, really - Google it!) might not work on my phone... Oh 
> well. I'm looking for a new phone mid-January when I renew my contract. 
> I'm not sure what sort of phone to get. I'd like one that can manage 
> 720p video playback natively.

Oh for a Virtual Acorn for Android. Then I could put !Organizer on it. Dream
on........


Hope you are surviving the seasons festivities.

Cheers (hic)

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3170

On 31/12/2011 01:35, Chris Newman wrote:

> Strangely, SD card reports Total space 1.81 GB  Available space 1.81 GB
> although on it there are 4 folders with files

What are the files? I find applications have a habit of creating small 
temp files and leave them lying around.

Between Deezer (660Mb) and Mango/PocketManga (2.7Gb) and the MP3 
library, there's not a lot of space left on an 8Gb card. ;-) I'm still 
utterly blown away by how SMALL a microSD really is. I mean, surely the 
active electronic part can't be much bigger than the die of a 16K EPROM, 
like in the Beeb? How things have changed in 20 years!

[though, I guess, to be fair, an EPROM would have been awe-inducing to 
somebody who grew up with wound-magnetic core memory twenty-odd years 
previous!]


> in so they must be very snall or somewhere else.

Your personal rubbish that you are expected to be able to access easily 
goes on the SD card. Photos, downloads, music, all that kind of stuff.

Stuff that works only through the phone's API (emails, web browser 
history/cache/etc, Google Maps tiles...) tend to get dropped into the 
/data folder which is on internal memory and inaccessible to mere 
mortals. [this is something "rooting" grants access to]


> Internal phone storage reports Available space 142 MB but no reference
> to Total space

This is normal. Your internal memory is used, mainly, for phone data (as 
I said: emails, web cache, settings, blah blah) and apps. I guess 
restricted-memory phones are why people like to use the App2SD patch? 
I've had my phone a year, got a load of apps (must tidy it up, really) 
and I have 831Mb free internally. I think I started with about 1.4Gb? 
Don't remember.


A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set it 
to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*. Set 
your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when you get 
a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like), but it'll 
still be there for loading into your main mail software on your primary 
computer.


> Looks good. I've found the documents folder on the SD card&  put my documents
> in it so maybe I don't need a file manager. I'll review the situation again
> later.

File managers are useful if you want to do some stuff without having to 
fart around hooking the phone up to a computer.

Scenario: You haven't yet upgraded your SD card, so you have the little 
one supplied by default in the phone. You realise you missed "The World 
Tonight" on Radio 4. No problems, it is a podcast, 19Mb. But, oh no, you 
only have 12Mb free space. If only it was possible to delete that 57Mb 
video your friend sent you with those two kittens rampaging around the 
living room. Then there would be space so you could download now and 
tidy up your SD card some other time.
Enter the need for a (decent) file manager. Tappy-tappedy-tap. Done.

:-)


> Just sorted it out. Changed the settings in the phone WiFi menu from auto to
> my type of security&  SCII type input etc&  it worked.

Strange. Auto ought to work... Well, I guess it depends how well "auto" 
is implemented. :-) At least you're on. WiFi is a lot better than GPRS. 
For a start, it doesn't cost/deduct. It is also a fair bit faster unless 
you're in a place where you can get 3G reliably.


> Oh for a Virtual Acorn for Android. Then I could put !Organizer on it. Dream
> on........

I'm not overly familiar with !Organiser; doesn't the Contacts do most of 
what you need? You can put in multiple phone numbers, email addresses, 
URLs, DOB (though I don't think it does much with that), plus a Real 
Address which if you tap the little red teardrop thingy will open Google 
Map on the address.

That said, having a RISC OS emulation running would be pretty sweet 
(even if emulators and pop-up touchscreen keyboards sounds like an 
exercise in applied masochism).


> Hope you are surviving the seasons festivities.

Not really having any. Apart from my mother, there's no 
friends/family/kids/in-laws to worry about. In fact, the biggest trauma 
I'm having (aside from working most of the festive period) is how 
*little* there is on TV; and this is with a free-to-air satellite and 
feeds from 28.2E (the Freesat/Sky stuff) *and* 19.2E 
(French/Spanish/German stuff, but mostly for NHK World).


> Cheers (hic)
           ^^^
Ah. I'm allergic to alcohol. My beer days are long over. One silly 
little "Mon Cherie" sweet can trigger a reaction not unlike severe food 
poisoning. :-( I liked Mon Cherie too! Wah!


So, hey, have another for me! ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3172

On 31/12/2011 04:45, Rick Murray wrote:
> A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set it
> to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*. Set
> your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when you get
> a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like), but it'll
> still be there for loading into your main mail software on your primary
> computer.

Two things to note:-

1) When you do download the email using your primary computer, the next 
time the phone connects it wont see the old email, and may remove copies 
already on the phone.

2) If you don't download from your main computer often enough, one or 
both of the following may occur.
a) your mail box on the ISP will become full, causing further messages 
sent to you to bounce
b) the ISP may (but usually not) automatically expire old messages 
before you've downloaded them.

So if you are going to do things this way, you need to know both how 
your phone will react and how the ISP's mail box is set up, so don't 
lose email, or find it's only on the primary computer and not on the phone.

---druck

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#3178

In article <jdmq28$bph$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 31/12/2011 04:45, Rick Murray wrote:
> > A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set
> > it to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*.
> > Set your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when
> > you get a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like),
> > but it'll still be there for loading into your main mail software on
> > your primary computer.

> Two things to note:-

[Noted and Snipped]

This is when the Cloud is a good idea. The likes of Gmail makes the whole
email experience more, er, consistent and connected. Here I am accessing
it by phone, windoze, RISC OS, or wherever I happen to be in the house or
the world.

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Good night, sweet friend: thy love ne'er alter, till thy sweet life end" Mid N Dr, Act ii, Sc.3

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#3181

On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:01:52 +0000 (GMT), Tim Hill 
<tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

>> A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. 
Set
>> it to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE 
SERVER*.


> This is when the Cloud is a good idea. The likes of Gmail makes the 
whole
> email experience more, er, consistent and connected. Here I am 
accessing

Hmm. I find the Gmail client on Android (2.1) awkward and clumsy. I 
try to use Gmail as little as possible because of that.
At least I know regular boring email will work just fine on anything 
with a POP3/SMTP client (yes, I believe Gmail can too, but then it is 
offering nothing regular email can't). It isn't just my phone, mind 
you. I have a protected php script on my server so I can read mail 
wherever I can get http.


Hey, Happy New Year! Sorry if I sound a little frazzled, just been 
watching CNN's coverage in NYC and... WTF? 8-o


Best wishes,

Rick.

(sent using an Android app!)

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#3193

In article <524a53e858tim@invalid.org.uk>,
   Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <jdmq28$bph$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> > On 31/12/2011 04:45, Rick Murray wrote:
> > > A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set
> > > it to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*.
> > > Set your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when
> > > you get a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like),
> > > but it'll still be there for loading into your main mail software on
> > > your primary computer.

> > Two things to note:-

> [Noted and Snipped]

> This is when the Cloud is a good idea. The likes of Gmail makes the whole
> email experience more, er, consistent and connected. Here I am accessing
> it by phone, windoze, RISC OS, or wherever I happen to be in the house or
> the world.
The problem there for me is that as a musician, often working in places where
there is no signal, if I'm asked if I am free for a gig on such & such a
date, I can't access any clouds.
Therefore I feel I need a stand alone calandar app that I can update with a
wired link to my computer.
Cheers, (Just about recovered from the festive season - Bah! Humbug!)

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3202

In message <524bf19525cvjazz@waitrose.com>
          Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> In article <524a53e858tim@invalid.org.uk>,
>    Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <jdmq28$bph$1@dont-email.me>, druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> > > On 31/12/2011 04:45, Rick Murray wrote:
> > > > A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set
> > > > it to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*.
> > > > Set your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when
> > > > you get a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like),
> > > > but it'll still be there for loading into your main mail software on
> > > > your primary computer.
> 
> > > Two things to note:-
> 
> > [Noted and Snipped]
> 
> > This is when the Cloud is a good idea. The likes of Gmail makes the
> > whole email experience more, er, consistent and connected. Here I
> > am accessing it by phone, windoze, RISC OS, or wherever I happen to
> > be in the house or the world.
> The problem there for me is that as a musician, often working in
> places where there is no signal, if I'm asked if I am free for a gig
> on such & such a date, I can't access any clouds.
> Therefore I feel I need a stand alone calandar app that I can update
> with a wired link to my computer.
> Cheers, (Just about recovered from the festive season - Bah! Humbug!)
> 

Would it be worth asking if a verion of Organizer/inmydiary could be
made for the 'Android' OS? 

-- 
Colin Ferris Cornwall UK

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#3242

In article <79b1354c52.cferris@cferris.freeuk.com>,
   <cferris@freeRemoveuk.com.invalid> wrote:
> In message <524bf19525cvjazz@waitrose.com>
>           Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:

> > > This is when the Cloud is a good idea. The likes of Gmail makes the
> > > whole email experience more, er, consistent and connected. Here I
> > > am accessing it by phone, windoze, RISC OS, or wherever I happen to
> > > be in the house or the world.
> > The problem there for me is that as a musician, often working in
> > places where there is no signal, if I'm asked if I am free for a gig
> > on such & such a date, I can't access any clouds.
> > Therefore I feel I need a stand alone calandar app that I can update
> > with a wired link to my computer.
> > Cheers, (Just about recovered from the festive season - Bah! Humbug!)
> > 

> Would it be worth asking if a verion of Organizer/inmydiary could be
> made for the 'Android' OS? 

It certainly would. An idea I was hoping for but didn't dare ask beacause
somebody will have to do the work. I don't have the skills or knowledge.

Regards,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3195

In article <4efe937a$0$5665$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 31/12/2011 01:35, Chris Newman wrote:

> > Strangely, SD card reports Total space 1.81 GB  Available space 1.81 GB
> > although on it there are 4 folders with files

> What are the files? I find applications have a habit of creating small 
> temp files and leave them lying around.

Using the "Filer" app on this Orange phone I can see 4 folders/directories
containing bits as follows:-
Android
	Data
		com.cooliris.media
		com.google.android.appsm
			cache  6 files
			debug   no files

LOST.DIR   seems to be empty

Documents  Some sample files & the files I put in

z7logs     9 log files   eg  270.log.2.Lck 95.9kb 03/02/2012

Does this mean anything to you. I presume I'm just looking at the stuff on
the SD card. (or has the filer not differentiated?).

<snip>  
> I'm still utterly blown away by how SMALL a microSD really is.

I suppose, if I run out of space I could save all the stuff on the SD to my
computer, put in an SD card of greater capacity, format it in the phone &
then transfer my files back.

> > in so they must be very snall or somewhere else.

> Your personal rubbish that you are expected to be able to access easily 
> goes on the SD card. Photos, downloads, music, all that kind of stuff.

> Stuff that works only through the phone's API (emails, web browser 
> history/cache/etc, Google Maps tiles...) tend to get dropped into the 
> /data folder which is on internal memory and inaccessible to mere 
> mortals. [this is something "rooting" grants access to]

Yep. I think I might try File Expert as recommended by Rick.

> A tip - you can access your email "transparently" on your phone. Set it 
> to log in and pull your messages, but *LEAVE THEM ON THE SERVER*. Set 
> your email folder expiry to 1-2 weeks (as you prefer). Then when you get 
> a message, you can read it instantly (and reply if you like), but it'll 
> still be there for loading into your main mail software on your primary 
> computer.

I tried to look for that in Settings but can't even find a way to stop the
mail downloading automatically when I switch the phone on. That's the orange
mail app. When the free trial runs out I shall just use one of my gmail
accounts to access via the web.

<snipped the rest>

Regards, (Now pretty well recovered from the "Festive???!!! season).

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3211

Hi,

I wrote a reply on my phone last night, but just as I was at the end I 
missed and touched the 'back' button. The software duly tossed away the 
message and stepped ack to the messages list. Pah - it wants 
confirmation to post messages, but none whatsoever for discarding a 
quarter hour worth of wrestling Swype and a crappy UI...


On 03/01/2012 22:38, Chris Newman wrote:

> Using the "Filer" app on this Orange phone I can see 4 folders/directories
> containing bits as follows:-
> Android
> 	Data
[etc]

Normal. Some apps use SD instead of internal storage - especially things 
like Google's Navigate which may download/unpack a fair amount of data 
for the spoken navigation messages.


> LOST.DIR   seems to be empty

Normal. This is created by the automatic integrity check on "mounting" 
the SD card (at boot, or after disconnecting from the computer), because 
we all know how well Microsoft can be trusted to manage it's own disc 
format without screwing up...

If there's a disc error, you (usually) won't be notified, however files, 
bits of files, or anything recovered will be placed in LOST.DIR.


> z7logs     9 log files   eg  270.log.2.Lck 95.9kb 03/02/2012

No idea. <looks>

Looks like you have bundled software (email, social networking, etc) by 
Seven - www.seven.com - which leaves logfiles around.


> I presume I'm just looking at the stuff on the SD card.

Correct.


> (or has the filer not differentiated?).

Without putting the phone into debug mode and using adb, you *cannot* 
access the internal disc. There's little there you could do anyway.


> I suppose, if I run out of space I could save all the stuff on the SD to my
> computer, put in an SD card of greater capacity, format it in the phone&
> then transfer my files back.

?

Firstly, why format? SD cards usually come pre-formatted. Secondly, at 
the cost of SDs, when you're done, pop the old one in a drawer and call 
it a backup. :-)

In order not to start the phone without its data files, here's how I 
went 2Gb->4, and later 4->8.

I put the new microSD into my computer (via SD adaptor), and connected 
the phone as a USB device. I drag-dropped all the files from phone to 
new SD. Phone was disconnected and turned off. Then the cards swapped. 
And the phone turned back on.
My stock MP3 player/WinAMP playlist was lost, however everything else 
seemed okay.


> I tried to look for that in Settings but can't even find a way to stop the
> mail downloading automatically when I switch the phone on.

My mistake - I was thinking of my old Nokia. The *stock* email client 
will download when it can, but also it will leave messages on the server.
There's an option (Manage accounts -> [account] -> Other Settings) to 
delete manually deleted messages from the server. Useful for handling spam.


> That's the orange mail app.

?!? Not the stock mail app? I've not seen an Orange custom job (despite 
being on Orange!).
[if this app is a Seven app, then this could explain the 7z... log file]


> When the free trial runs out

WTF is with the free trials? Free trial for something that duplicates 
basic Android functionality?

Does the San Fran II even *have* the stock email software inside?


> I shall just use one of my gmail accounts to access via the web.

...it ought to have the GMail app as well, although I find the UI so 
horrible I try to avoid using it.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3249

In article <4f0452d7$0$2523$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> On 03/01/2012 22:38, Chris Newman wrote:

> > Using the "Filer" app on this Orange phone I can see 4 folders/directories
> > containing bits as follows:-
> > Android
> > 	Data
> [etc]

> Normal. Some apps use SD instead of internal storage - especially things 
> like Google's Navigate which may download/unpack a fair amount of data 
> for the spoken navigation messages.

Ta. That clears that up
> > LOST.DIR   seems to be empty

> Normal. This is created by the automatic integrity check on "mounting" 
> the SD card (at boot, or after disconnecting from the computer), because 
> we all know how well Microsoft can be trusted to manage it's own disc 
> format without screwing up...

> If there's a disc error, you (usually) won't be notified, however files, 
> bits of files, or anything recovered will be placed in LOST.DIR.

Ditto
> > z7logs     9 log files   eg  270.log.2.Lck 95.9kb 03/02/2012

> No idea. <looks>

> Looks like you have bundled software (email, social networking, etc) by 
> Seven - www.seven.com - which leaves logfiles around.

is this something Orange buys in for their phones?

> > I presume I'm just looking at the stuff on the SD card.

> Correct.

That's OK then


> > (or has the filer not differentiated?).

> Without putting the phone into debug mode and using adb, you *cannot* 
> access the internal disc. There's little there you could do anyway.

I'll leave that well alone then.

> > I suppose, if I run out of space I could save all the stuff on the SD to my
> > computer, put in an SD card of greater capacity, format it in the phone&
> > then transfer my files back.

> ?

> Firstly, why format? SD cards usually come pre-formatted. 

Didn't know whether there were different formats around for SD cards. (please
excuse my ignorance.) Are they Fat 32?


> In order not to start the phone without its data files, here's how I 
> went 2Gb->4, and later 4->8.

> I put the new microSD into my computer (via SD adaptor), and connected 
> the phone as a USB device. I drag-dropped all the files from phone to 
> new SD. Phone was disconnected and turned off. Then the cards swapped. 
> And the phone turned back on.
> My stock MP3 player/WinAMP playlist was lost, however everything else 
> seemed okay.

That seems reasonable.


> > I tried to look for that in Settings but can't even find a way to stop the
> > mail downloading automatically when I switch the phone on.

> My mistake - I was thinking of my old Nokia. The *stock* email client 
> will download when it can, but also it will leave messages on the server.
> There's an option (Manage accounts -> [account] -> Other Settings) to 
> delete manually deleted messages from the server. Useful for handling spam.

Can't find that here. I've searched through all the menus. It looks as though
I am accessing my mail provider (gmail in this case) through the Orange app
that came pre-installed on the machine. In the idiots guide it says I can
change the incoming & outgoing servere settings. I remember doing that when I
set the ccount up but that option no longer appears on any of the menus so I
can't check or modify those it would seem. The whole app seems pretty klunky.
 As I said before, I think I will scrap that, as it seems to be an extra you
have to pay for, & just access my Google account on the net. I seldom use it
on the phone anyway, the bulk being done on the desktop machine.
I had a look at the Seven web pages & non of the apps have the same icons as
my phone.

> > That's the orange mail app.

> ?!? Not the stock mail app? I've not seen an Orange custom job (despite 
> being on Orange!).
> [if this app is a Seven app, then this could explain the 7z... log file]


> > When the free trial runs out

> WTF is with the free trials? Free trial for something that duplicates 
> basic Android functionality?

> Does the San Fran II even *have* the stock email software inside?

Interestingly enough!!!! there is the email app icon pre-installed so it
appears on the home page (that's the Orange one I think) but amongst the apps
stored on the apps screen there is the Orange app I've just mentioned & anapp
called Google mail which, when accessed asks you to create a Google account
or sign in if you have one. Maybe I should be exploring this. Confused???
I'll say!!
> > I shall just use one of my gmail accounts to access via the web.

> ...it ought to have the GMail app as well, although I find the UI so 
> horrible I try to avoid using it.

Oh! perhaps I won't bother then....

Many thanks for you thoughts,

-- 
Chris Newman

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#3255

On 07/01/2012 15:57, Chris Newman wrote:

> is this something Orange buys in for their phones?

Can't say. On my DEFY, it is the stock mail application. That isn't to 
say different phones, or British Orange, etc, might not do things 
differently.

Email hides behind an icon called "Messaging". In there is "Universal 
inbox", "Text messaging"... and the rest may be blank for you. I have 
eight other email accounts.
Tap the menu button, tap on "Manage accounts", then you can "Add 
account" to add email. Actually, my phone lets you pick an account type 
(MySpace, Facebook, LastFM, Twitter, etc etc) but tapping the postage 
stamp "Email" lets you add POP3/IMAP manually. That's what I have done.

If you find all that, get back in touch and we can get your phone set up.


> Didn't know whether there were different formats around for SD cards. (please
> excuse my ignorance.) Are they Fat 32?

Generically, they are FAT32. Out of the pack, they are FAT32.

However, they can then be reformatted (NTFS, etx3, etc). It is unusual, 
but not impossible. I think people reformat for specific reasons (I had 
to make an NTFS one for a DVD image because files >4Gb won't work on 
FAT), but usually they're just left as FAT.

You must also remember that things may not recognise the drive if it is 
something other than FAT. I can make ext3 drives for my PVR and it'll 
work fine (better than FAT, I believe). However nothing else will read 
the thing - we all know how well Windows copes with non-Microsoft 
filesystems!


> The whole app seems pretty klunky.

Quite a few Android apps are clunky. I guess it's a fact of the 
different form factor between desktop and the likes of Thunderbird (or 
even !Posty) and a mobile device. But, clunky or not, it gets the job done.


> As I said before, I think I will scrap that, as it seems to be an extra you
> have to pay for,

? If you have a data plan, you ought to be able to pick up email for free.


> Interestingly enough!!!! there is the email app icon pre-installed so it
> appears on the home page (that's the Orange one I think)

I have "Email" on my apps list. The icon is an open envelope with a red 
postage stamp saying "@" in white tucked into the envelope. That takes 
you to the stock email app, but it isn't good as you go straight to the 
inbox of the first account. Not so good if you want to add accounts, or 
look at others. In your list of apps, look for a closed white envelope 
called "Messaging".


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3267

On 08/01/2012 17:34, Rick Murray wrote:

> Email hides behind an icon called "Messaging". In there is "Universal
> inbox", "Text messaging"... and the rest may be blank for you. I have
> eight other email accounts.

Just to follow-up, I could not find any useful images online, so I took 
some of my own. This is for Android 2.1, later versions might apply some 
additional gloss. ;-)
I *think* this is standard stuff, and not a Motorola revision.

First, my home screen with "Messaging" highlighted:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message1.png

Tap on that to enter. The "Universal inbox" is everything all rolled 
together. The rest are individual accounts, plus text messaging. I've 
greyed out stuff as some are referred to by email address.
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message2.png
   [ you can see I've been busy on ARMwiki ;-) ]

Into Beeb list, the list of messages:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message3.png

And reading a randomly picked message:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message4.png

Back to the Messaging window, tapping [Menu] brings up one allowing you 
to manage the accounts.
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message5.png

Skipping over the accounts list (most would be blanked out as it shows 
associated email addresses...), going into the Beeb mailing list entry, 
here's the setup:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message6.png

And configuring the incoming mail server:
   http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message7.png


Does yours, Chris, look anything like this?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3271

In article <4f0b39bd$0$5705$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/01/2012 17:34, Rick Murray wrote:

> > Email hides behind an icon called "Messaging". In there is "Universal
> > inbox", "Text messaging"... and the rest may be blank for you. I have
> > eight other email accounts.

> Just to follow-up, I could not find any useful images online, so I took 
> some of my own. This is for Android 2.1, later versions might apply some 
> additional gloss. ;-)
> I *think* this is standard stuff, and not a Motorola revision.

> First, my home screen with "Messaging" highlighted:
>    http://www.heyrick.co.uk/random/message1.png

<big snip>

Thanks for all the help from you and the others.
I've got Google calendar up & running & synced with !Organizer via iCal
Export/Import. I'm pretty busy over the next couple of days so will inwardly
digest your posts later and get back to you in a while.

Thanks once again,

-- 
Chris Newman

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