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  Re: The RISC OS News Network "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-08-02 22:09 +0200
    Re: The RISC OS News Network Dr Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-08-02 21:42 +0100
      Re: The RISC OS News Network Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-08-02 22:45 +0100
    Re: The RISC OS News Network Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-02 23:28 +0200
      Re: The RISC OS News Network "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-08-02 23:37 +0200
        Re: The RISC OS News Network Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-03 00:46 +0200
          Re: The RISC OS News Network "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> - 2011-08-03 10:27 +0200
            Re: The RISC OS News Network Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-03 14:09 +0200
      Re: The RISC OS News Network Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2011-08-02 22:51 +0100
        Re: The RISC OS News Network Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2011-08-02 23:34 +0100
          Re: The RISC OS News Network Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> - 2011-08-03 00:26 +0100
            Re: The RISC OS News Network Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-08-03 01:41 +0200
            Re: The RISC OS News Network "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2011-08-03 13:28 +0100
              Re: The RISC OS News Network Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-08-03 14:42 +0200
              Re: The RISC OS News Network Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-08-07 09:55 +0100
                Re: The RISC OS News Network Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-08-07 10:21 +0100
                  Re: The RISC OS News Network Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-08-07 10:54 +0100
                    Re: The RISC OS News Network Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-08-07 11:57 +0100
                      Re: The RISC OS News Network Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-08-07 14:24 +0100
                        Re: The RISC OS News Network Martin Bazley <martin.bazley@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-08-07 16:25 +0100
                          Re: The RISC OS News Network Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2011-08-15 05:59 +0100
            Re: The RISC OS News Network Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2011-08-03 14:44 +0200

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#1291 — Re: The RISC OS News Network

In article <ap.329aae51fc.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>,
   Iain <ikjacobson@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I'd like to announce the launch of the <a
> href="http://riscosnews.wordpress.com/" target=_new>RISC OS News
> Network</a>, now out of a rather protracted beta period. Its aim is to
> show all the latest news, blogs, tweets and selected discussions about
> most things RISC OS and ARM in one location.

What a pity I had to edit the e-mail to get the URL on one line correctly -
it was broken in your posting as received here.

Anyway, posting messages with URLs in supposed HTML wrappers is not really
very RISC OS-friendly at all.

I assume it was Yahoo who broke the original, but I'm surprised Andrew let
anything so non-functional through at all.

Readers will notice I've reformatted the posting so the URL is more readily
accessible, tho' I wouldn't have started that way in any case.

John.

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#1292

On 2 Aug 2011  "John Williams (News)" <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <ap.329aae51fc.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>,
>    Iain <ikjacobson@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> I'd like to announce the launch of the <a
>> href="http://riscosnews.wordpress.com/" target=_new>RISC OS News
>> Network</a>, now out of a rather protracted beta period. Its aim is to
>> show all the latest news, blogs, tweets and selected discussions about
>> most things RISC OS and ARM in one location.

> What a pity I had to edit the e-mail to get the URL on one line correctly -
> it was broken in your posting as received here.

[snip]

> Readers will notice I've reformatted the posting so the URL is more readily
> accessible, tho' I wouldn't have started that way in any case.

Many thanks for this and for rendering the URL in a way that I could 
understand. However, trying to access the URL in NetSurf (r12633, RISC 
OS 5.16) has just totally stiffed this Iyonix, needing a hard reset. 
Accessing the URL with Windows Firefox, with NoScript running, shows 
that the site is stuffed with JavaScript.

WTF was he thinking of? :-)

With best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter   \  /      zfc Lu     \     Prestbury, Cheltenham,  Glos. GL52
and      \/ __            __  \                              England.
family   / /  \ | | |\ | /  _  \      http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
        /  \__/ \_/ | \| \__/   \______________ pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

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#1301

In article <335b9ffc51.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Aug 2011  "John Williams (News)"
> <UCEbin@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article
> >    <ap.329aae51fc.a701a0a.m.conroy@argonet.co.uk>, Iain
> >    <ikjacobson@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> >> I'd like to announce the launch of the <a
> >> href="http://riscosnews.wordpress.com/"
> >> target=_new>RISC OS News Network</a>, now out of a
> >> rather protracted beta period. Its aim is to show all
> >> the latest news, blogs, tweets and selected
> >> discussions about most things RISC OS and ARM in one
> >> location.

> > What a pity I had to edit the e-mail to get the URL on
> > one line correctly - it was broken in your posting as
> > received here.

> [snip]

> > Readers will notice I've reformatted the posting so the
> > URL is more readily accessible, tho' I wouldn't have
> > started that way in any case.

> Many thanks for this and for rendering the URL in a way
> that I could understand. However, trying to access the
> URL in NetSurf (r12633, RISC OS 5.16) has just totally
> stiffed this Iyonix, needing a hard reset. Accessing the
> URL with Windows Firefox, with NoScript running, shows
> that the site is stuffed with JavaScript.

> WTF was he thinking of? :-)

Indeed. Even if it is down to wordpress, surely it is
possible to blog without JS?

But the site did not cause any problems with my RPC.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#1296

On 02/08/2011 22:09, John Williams (News) wrote:

> Anyway, posting messages with URLs in supposed HTML wrappers is not really
> very RISC OS-friendly at all.

No, but it tends to be used on other systems by email clients smart 
enough to paste together multi-line URLs into something that works and 
can be clicked on.

Something like this, I mean... It's GeekPorn, and a ridiculous 
only-Google-could-come-up-with-this URL:

<http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Pics/Acorn_SRP26B7L.jpg&imgrefurl=http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Pics/Acorn_SRP26B7L.html&usg=__-aX1Xf1uKpJ_9rUUgOwUkD7-U2Y=&h=1208&w=1832&sz=429&hl=en&start=3&zoom=0&itbs=1&tbnid=UJaGP5FtjKvKbM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=150&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drisc%2Bpc%2Bmotherboard%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&ei=pGk4Tt79IYGl8QOQn5HgAg>

[I wonder how that'll appear? ;-)]


> but I'm surprised Andrew let anything so non-functional through at all.

You're a little out of date.

Three quotes:
1. The angle-bracket "<" and ">" and double-quote (") characters are
    excluded because they are often used as the delimiters around URI in
    text documents and protocol fields.

2. In practice, URI are delimited in a variety of ways, but usually
    within double-quotes "http://test.com/", angle brackets
    <http://test.com/>, or just using whitespace

3. Using <> angle brackets around each URI is especially recommended as
    a delimiting style for URI that contain whitespace.

All from RFC 2396 - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2396.txt


I, myself, would angle-bracket a URL if it spans more than one line.

[maybe this is something else that should be added to Pluto,
  if said update work ever comes to pass?]


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#1298

In article <4e386beb$0$30779$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> [I wonder how that'll appear? ;-)]

Fine!

> > but I'm surprised Andrew let anything so non-functional through at all.

> You're a little out of date.

Goes with the territory - and RISC OS!  But this purports to be for RISC OS
users!

Hope you remember my birthday!

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#1308

On 02/08/2011 23:37, John Williams (News) wrote:

> Hope you remember my birthday!

Subtle, but a date would be more useful, memory like mine... Say, why 
not provide it as a RISC OS five-byte date? ;-)


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#1314

In article <4e387e5f$0$18801$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > Hope you remember my birthday!

> Subtle, but a date would be more useful, memory like mine... Say, why 
> not provide it as a RISC OS five-byte date? ;-)

Better still, on the day, my 'whois' page, linked from my sig, will tell
you!

If the given age is past state pension age, you will have missed it.

John

-- 
John Williams, Brittany, Northern France - no attachments to these addresses!
Non-RISC OS posters change user to johnrwilliams or put 'risc' in subject!
Who is John Williams? http://petit.four.free.fr/picindex/author/

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#1319

On 03/08/2011 10:27, John Williams (News) wrote:

> Better still, on the day, my 'whois' page, linked from my sig, will tell
> you!

Assuming I remember to hit refresh each day, so I know what date to 
program into my phone's contact list as a birthday.


> If the given age is past state pension age, you will have missed it.

Given that it is fairly obvious by now that I do not have the exact 
date, I will just say:
                  H A P P Y   B I R T H D A Y ! ! !

[if you would prefer something on the *day*, you'll need to tell me the
  actual day instead of making it difficult! :-P ]


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#1303

In article
<4e386beb$0$30779$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Something like this, I mean... It's GeekPorn, and a
> ridiculous only-Google-could-come-up-with-this URL:

> <http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Pics/Acorn_SRP26B7L.jpg&imgrefurl=http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Pics/Acorn_SRP26B7L.html&usg=__-aX1Xf1uKpJ_9rUUgOwUkD7-U2Y=&h=1208&w=1832&sz=429&hl=en&start=3&zoom=0&itbs=1&tbnid=UJaGP5FtjKvKbM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=150&prev=/search%3Fq%3Drisc%2Bpc%2Bmotherboard%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26tbm%3Disch%26prmd%3Divns&ei=pGk4Tt79IYGl8QOQn5HgAg>

> [I wonder how that'll appear? ;-)]

Fine, using Pluto. But clicking on it causes an error from
URI - Message block is too bif / not a multiple of 4

[snip]

> [maybe this is something else that should be added to
>   Pluto, if said update work ever comes to pass?]

Pluto is fine with this. RISC OS may not be.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
Need a hotel? <http://www.hrs.com/?client=en__blue&customerId=416873103>

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#1305

On 2 Aug, Russell Hafter News wrote in message
    <51fca5bc78see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>:

> In article <4e386beb$0$30779$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
>    Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[Long Google URL] 

> > [I wonder how that'll appear? ;-)]
> 
> Fine, using Pluto. But clicking on it causes an error from URI - Message
> block is too bif / not a multiple of 4

Oops.

> > [maybe this is something else that should be added to
> >   Pluto, if said update work ever comes to pass?]
> 
> Pluto is fine with this. RISC OS may not be.

I'm not so sure: the URL and URI protocols can both handle addresses of more
than 230 characters, as long as the calling app gets it right.  If Pluto
breaks as described above, it probably isn't doing things correctly.

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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#1309

In article <mpro.lpbo2604cnkow01js.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
<news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Aug, Russell Hafter News wrote in message
>     <51fca5bc78see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>:

[Snip]

> > Pluto is fine with this. RISC OS may not be.

> I'm not so sure: the URL and URI protocols can both handle addresses of
> more than 230 characters, as long as the calling app gets it right.  If
> Pluto breaks as described above, it probably isn't doing things
> correctly.

Pluto doesn't seem to break.  As Russell said the error message comes from
URI - "Message block too big or not a multiple of 4".  Without counting
exactly and working from my Pluto's line length of 75 characters I'd say
that the link is over the 230 characters you state above, perhaps around
240.

Cheers

Alan

-- 
Alan Calder, Milton Keynes, UK.

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#1311

On 03/08/2011 01:26, Alan Calder wrote:

> Pluto doesn't seem to break.  As Russell said the error message comes from
> URI - "Message block too big or not a multiple of 4".

I wonder if it is falling over trying to broadcast the long string?

Re: 
http://www.riscosopen.co.uk/viewer/view/castle/RiscOS/Sources/Networking/URI/c/URIswis?rev=1.3;content-type=text%2Fplain


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#1320

In article <51fcae6d26alan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
   Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> Pluto doesn't seem to break.  As Russell said the error message comes from
> URI - "Message block too big or not a multiple of 4".  Without counting
> exactly and working from my Pluto's line length of 75 characters I'd say
> that the link is over the 230 characters you state above, perhaps around
> 240.

Works fine for me with Pluto, NetSurf and RISC OS 5. There must be something
different in your setup if it doesn't work for you.

Ta,

Steve

-- 
Steve Revill @ Home
Note: All opinions expressed herein are my own.

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#1321

In message <51fcf5ff93steve@revi11.plus.com>
          "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:

> In article <51fcae6d26alan_calder@o2.co.uk>,
>    Alan Calder <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
>> Pluto doesn't seem to break.  As Russell said the error message comes from
>> URI - "Message block too big or not a multiple of 4".  Without counting
>> exactly and working from my Pluto's line length of 75 characters I'd say
>> that the link is over the 230 characters you state above, perhaps around
>> 240.

> Works fine for me with Pluto, NetSurf and RISC OS 5. There must be something
> different in your setup if it doesn't work for you.

Quit NetSurf, then try again. This results in the above error with 
MPro, too, which exonerates Pluto. Looks like a URI issue.

-- 
Martin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
---------------------------------------------------------------------

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#1378

In article <51fcf5ff93steve@revi11.plus.com>, Ste (news)
<steve@revi11.plus.com> wrote:
> In article <51fcae6d26alan_calder@o2.co.uk>, Alan Calder
>    <alan_calder@o2.co.uk> wrote:
> > Pluto doesn't seem to break.  As Russell said the error message comes
> > from URI - "Message block too big or not a multiple of 4".  Without
> > counting exactly and working from my Pluto's line length of 75
> > characters I'd say that the link is over the 230 characters you state
> > above, perhaps around 240.

> Works fine for me with Pluto, NetSurf and RISC OS 5. There must be
> something different in your setup if it doesn't work for you.

Seconded. Works fine here too. RO 5.16, Pluto 3.04c & NetSurf 3.0 r12443.

Of course, it's ridiculously long URLs which tinyurl.com was not only
made for but works with NetSurf!! Russell's mega-URI becomes:

http://tinyurl.com/3nrcd43

Perhaps anyone posting a URI to announce should consider using tinyurl or
at least make sure URIs <75 chars appear on a line on their own. Imagine
posting it - unshortened - to Twitter!!!!!

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Love for thy love, and hand for hand I give" Henry VI, Act iii, Sc.1

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#1383

Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

[of an annoyingly long URL posted previously]
 
> Imagine posting it - unshortened - to Twitter!!!!!

With Twitter's 140 character limit, pasting it directly into a tweet would
leave you 121 characters for the remainder of your message - because Twitter
uses its own URL shortener automatically.

https://support.twitter.com/entries/109623

-- 
Soft Rock Software:                   http://www.softrock.co.uk
Vince M Hudd:                         http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/
RISCOSitory:                          http://www.riscository.com

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#1385

In article <mpro.lpjwn0000wsq6039k.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>, Vince M Hudd
<vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:

> [of an annoyingly long URL posted previously]
>  
> > Imagine posting it - unshortened - to Twitter!!!!!
    ^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^

!!!

> With Twitter's 140 character limit, pasting it directly into a tweet
> would leave you 121 characters for the remainder of your message -
> because Twitter uses its own URL shortener automatically.

Well, derr.

[snip]

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Pray now, forget and forgive" K Lear, Act iv, Sc.7

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#1388

Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.lpjwn0000wsq6039k.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>, Vince M Hudd
> <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> > Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
 
> > [of an annoyingly long URL posted previously]
  
> > > Imagine posting it - unshortened - to Twitter!!!!!
>     ^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^

> !!!

> > With Twitter's 140 character limit, pasting it directly into a tweet
> > would leave you 121 characters for the remainder of your message -
> > because Twitter uses its own URL shortener automatically.

> Well, derr.

I inferred from your original comment, and its context, a suggestion that it
was necessary to shorten long links using services such as tinyurl *before*
inserting them into a tweet, in order to fit them in - which it isn't,
because Twitter deals with that for you. 

Reading the original post again, it *still* looks as though that's what you
were suggesting.

My post merely corrects what appeared to be a misunderstanding on your part
- for good reason, given that some of the readership of this group have made
it perfectly clear in another thread that they don't really understand
Twitter and how it works.

If you already knew about Twitter's automatic use of t.co, then I'm not sure
what the point was that you were making.

-- 
Soft Rock Software:                   http://www.softrock.co.uk
Vince M Hudd:                         http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/
RISCOSitory:                          http://www.riscository.com

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#1390

In article <mpro.lpk136004cdvn039k.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>, Vince M Hudd
<vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <mpro.lpjwn0000wsq6039k.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>, Vince M
> > Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>  
> > > [of an annoyingly long URL posted previously]
>   
> > > > Imagine posting it - unshortened - to Twitter!!!!!
> >     ^^^^^^^              ^^^^^^^^^^^

> > !!!

> > > With Twitter's 140 character limit, pasting it directly into a
> > > tweet would leave you 121 characters for the remainder of your
> > > message - because Twitter uses its own URL shortener automatically.

> > Well, derr.

> I inferred from your original comment, and its context, a suggestion
> that it was necessary to shorten long links using services such as
> tinyurl *before* inserting them into a tweet, in order to fit them in -
> which it isn't, because Twitter deals with that for you. 

> Reading the original post again, it *still* looks as though that's what
> you were suggesting.

Funny then, given the way you snipped the original, that isn't the sense
given by my [snipped] post (above).  :-/

> My post merely corrects what appeared to be a misunderstanding on your
> part - for good reason, given that some of the readership of this group
> have made it perfectly clear in another thread that they don't really
> understand Twitter and how it works.

Please don't paint me with your 'only understands computing of the 1990s'
brush, follow me instead: <URL:http://twitter.com/timothyjrhill>   ;-) 
It's safe: I read much more than I write.

> If you already knew about Twitter's automatic use of t.co, then I'm not
> sure what the point was that you were making.

Only that posting such a huge mush of a URL (if you could) or other junk
of 130 chars won't leave you enough room even to say 'hello world'. It
was a flippant remark, not meant to be hyper-analysed.

I said that also knowing - as you do - that the likes of Twitter (and
Facebook?) Link Shortening is as good as Secret Knowledge to anyone who
can't (has RISC OS only) or won't (is resistant to change) keep up. But
these are intelligent beings and often know about the 140 char limit
because broadcast media (used to) mention it so often.

-- 
Tim Hill of timil.com . . .
* supports TFT & shares in cheaper ethical telecoms http://tjrh.eu/phone
* has a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/
* accepts incoming email: substitute postmaster@ for tim@

... "Honest plain words best pierce the ear of grief" Love's L L, Act v, Sc.2

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#1392

The following bytes were arranged on 7 Aug 2011 by Tim Hill :

> I said that also knowing - as you do - that the likes of Twitter (and
> Facebook?) Link Shortening is as good as Secret Knowledge to anyone who
> can't (has RISC OS only) or won't (is resistant to change) keep up. But
> these are intelligent beings and often know about the 140 char limit
> because broadcast media (used to) mention it so often.

For the record, I have RISC OS only and successfully use Twitter.  The
trick, as has been explained before, is quite simple: use the mobile
site instead. Delete the three "/#!" chracters from any New Twitter URL
and insert the subdomain "m.". Hey presto, instant RISC OS-proof URL
converter!

http://m.twitter.com/swirlythingy ;-)

This works for everything, including e.g. permalinks to individual
tweets.

It'd be nice if someone could come up with some sort of patch to NetSurf
to do it automatically, though, since as others have observed, Twitter
are too incompetent to do it themselves.

-- 
  __<^>__   Red sky in the morning: Shepherd's warning
 / _   _ \  Red sky at night: Shepherd's delight
( ( |_| ) ) Mince and potatoes: Shepherd's pie
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